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myillwillinc · 10-25-2008, 05:27 PM

ok here it is: 272hp 316tq

the other run is with the 100 shot of hell fast juice.....

http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m...8-VID00010.flv

SleepingGT · 10-25-2008, 06:04 PM

just for the record, myillwill=friend for life, what ever medical speciality i go into--tommy gets free healthcare forever

audikillsbmw · 10-25-2008, 06:35 PM

So the only mods that he has are ported heads and cams? If so, those are some pretty good numbers.

SleepingGT · 10-25-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by audikillsbmw

So the only mods that he has are ported heads and cams? If so, those are some pretty good numbers.

cnc heads, nitrous cams, hps intake, shorty headers(the bottle neck), and accufab tb

audikillsbmw · 10-25-2008, 06:51 PM

Ah. What is the diameter of the new TB?
At the moment I'm looking at doing:
-11:1 comp
-HPS intake
-long tubes
-possibly cams (depends on how much money I have available.)
Care to guess how my numbers will compare to yours? I tried asking this before, but no one answered

myillwillinc · 10-25-2008, 07:38 PM

well now that we have a running car. i will work on long tubes to get those gases out of the 5.4 and possibly a 300+rwhp dyno number.......

audikillsbmw · 10-25-2008, 11:56 PM

Nice. Getting a set of longtubes for my car will be "fun" to say the least

. Kooks wants over $900 for a set of Vic LT's. And I don't even know if they would fit after the swap.

SleepingGT · 10-25-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by audikillsbmw

Ah. What is the diameter of the new TB?
At the moment I'm looking at doing:
-11:1 comp
-HPS intake
-long tubes
-possibly cams (depends on how much money I have available.)
Care to guess how my numbers will compare to yours? I tried asking this before, but no one answered

75mm tb--same as i had on the 4.6

i'm considering cutting up the HPS--chop off about an inch on the lower plenum and re-drill the holes for the bottom cover bolts and port out the whole intake--there really is waaaay more plenum area than my car needs and it might help with heatsoaking since the bottom of the plenum is litterly 1/4 inch from the lifter valley

SleepingGT · 10-25-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by audikillsbmw

Ah. What is the diameter of the new TB?
At the moment I'm looking at doing:
-11:1 comp
-HPS intake
-long tubes
-possibly cams (depends on how much money I have available.)
Care to guess how my numbers will compare to yours? I tried asking this before, but no one answered

11:1 and long tubes would make a huge difference, mine is only 9.2:1 because i was looking at doing a T-trim to begin with but for right now i have nitrous and i'm looking very hard at a t76

shakin_bakin · 10-26-2008, 01:43 AM

R3D or someone who knows intakes... can you all chime in on this....

I am looking for a intake that will not kill the torque as bad as the sullivan, I have teh sullivan but im thinking about a Navi lower with a sheetmetal upper, like the one MMR sells....
or a 01 Cobra or 03-04 Mach 1 intake (same intake) .... which one will save the torque? Are they both similar? what are your thoughts?

The sheetmetal upper, i thought would be better for toque witha navi lower? and it would port match to my Navi heads fine... but i really needed to ask someone who knows more about this then myself... i can just build it i dont really understand all that runner length stuff and more here less there that you talk about all the time

lol

Thanks for your help guys...

P.S. be out of Iraq hopefuly in time to go home and surprise the family at Xmas

havnt been home for Xmas since ive been in... (lol only like 2 1/2 years but still mom is complaining about it lol )

TurboX2 · 10-26-2008, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by myillwillinc

ok here it is: 272hp 316tq

Any before numbers available? Its nice to see the curve but it doens't mean much yet without a before/after comparison. Auto or stick? My auto setup made ~10 less hp and more tq with stock heads and a 4.6 PI intake, just didn't carry it out like that curve does. red's car, also with cnc heads and cams, already makes more, so we really need to see what difference the intake made by itself.

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Originally Posted by SleepingGT

just for the record, myillwill=friend for life, what ever medical speciality i go into--tommy gets free healthcare forever

For myillwill's sake hope you don't become a proctologist.....

myillwillinc · 10-26-2008, 07:06 AM

here is hunter 'playing' with a 6.0l gto on the interstate after the dyno.....

http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m...8-VID00020.flv

*r3dn3ck* · 10-26-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shakin_bakin

I am looking for a intake that will not kill the torque as bad as the sullivan, I have teh sullivan but im thinking about a Navi lower with a sheetmetal upper, like the one MMR sells....
or a 01 Cobra or 03-04 Mach 1 intake (same intake) .... which one will save the torque? Are they both similar? what are your thoughts?

P.S. be out of Iraq hopefuly in time to go home and surprise the family at Xmas

havnt been home for Xmas since ive been in... (lol only like 2 1/2 years but still mom is complaining about it lol )

the cobra intake is probably better for overall power than the sullivan. The sullivan will make bigger peak numbers but loses a good bit of tq. The navi lower and box upper loses some tq similar to the sullivan but it fits nicely out of the box. Hood clearance becomes a major issue with the box and navi units but adapter plates and a cobra unit should be pretty easy to fit under a very small cowl or maybe under the stock hood if you drop the motor 1/2" with k-member spacers

I'd do the cobra intake route with adapter plates until Bob releases a 4v intake.

Just get home safe. Before you head back, if you happen to find yourself talking to a cute little nurse named Lt. Burns and saying the name "Delilah" makes her really mad... tell her her brother says hi.

Quote:

Originally Posted by audikillsbmw

Ah. What is the diameter of the new TB?
At the moment I'm looking at doing:
-11:1 comp
-HPS intake
-long tubes
-possibly cams (depends on how much money I have available.)
Care to guess how my numbers will compare to yours? I tried asking this before, but no one answered

the cams make the engine and affect which compression ratio you should select. I'd probably do a good set of hitech stage 2's and the rest of the combo as you have it. Figure on over 300rwhp depending on the heads you use. At minimum you'll be seeing something similar to mine as it sits power wise.

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Originally Posted by TurboX2

Any before numbers available? Its nice to see the curve but it doens't mean much yet without a before/after comparison. Auto or stick? My auto setup made ~10 less hp and more tq with stock heads and a 4.6 PI intake, just didn't carry it out like that curve does. red's car, also with cnc heads and cams, already makes more, so we really need to see what difference the intake made by itself.

For myillwill's sake hope you don't become a proctologist.....

Looks like the intake and SleepingGT's mods made around 340bhp and 400btq assuming a 20% loss in the drivetrain (We have almost identical combos so I feel this is a valid comparison) and I made 330bhp and 390tq assuming a 15% drivetrain loss with adapter plates and an aftermarket intake. The primary difference in our setups is a full point of compression higher on my side and adapter plates.

So, looks like Sleeping made 3% more hp/tq just on the intake and it let him close his hood and use a nitrous plate kit.

Adding 3% to my numbers and adjusting for all the gearbox variables and then tossing a dart at the phone book of possibilities leads me to expect ~290/340 if I were to just slap the intake on using my existing shorty headers. That would be about 10hp and 10tq gain over adapter plates. That's fully 60hp/tq more than my 4.6 ever made with full bolt on's and a great tune.

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Originally Posted by myillwillinc

here is hunter 'playing' with a 6.0l gto on the interstate after the dyno.....

http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m...8-VID00020.flv

looks like the GTO got straight pulled on. Way to smoke em.

SleepingGT · 10-26-2008, 10:26 AM

my 4.6 made 236/261 100% stock intake to oil pan and then full bolt ons LT's etc

but those are impressive numbers for a stock longblock with my set up they normally made 225 or so

audikillsbmw · 10-26-2008, 10:27 AM

Thanks r3d

. Any idea what the idle quality will be like with those cams?

myillwillinc · 10-26-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

looks like the GTO got straight pulled on. Way to smoke em.

just wait, i'm not fully done with his car yet.........

audikillsbmw · 10-26-2008, 01:42 PM

Anyone know what one of the earlier aluminum blocks weighs? Just wondering if I would be able to handle a bare block by myself.

shakin_bakin · 10-26-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

the cobra intake is probably better for overall power than the sullivan. The sullivan will make bigger peak numbers but loses a good bit of tq. The navi lower and box upper loses some tq similar to the sullivan but it fits nicely out of the box. Hood clearance becomes a major issue with the box and navi units but adapter plates and a cobra unit should be pretty easy to fit under a very small cowl or maybe under the stock hood if you drop the motor 1/2" with k-member spacers

I'd do the cobra intake route with adapter plates until Bob releases a 4v intake.

Just get home safe. Before you head back, if you happen to find yourself talking to a cute little nurse named Lt. Burns and saying the name "Delilah" makes her really mad... tell her her brother says hi.

hmm i wonder how long tell Bob comes out with te 4v intake... any ideas??? I would email him but las time i emailed him i ddnt get a response tell teh itnake was about to b released and tehy wanted pre orders... so im not exactly happy with there customer service...

shakin_bakin · 10-26-2008, 05:42 PM

well i guess in the end the best intake is the Aussie 290 kit that birdman sells was looking for an alternative, that wont cost me 1400 and be close to as good as the aussie kit....

but that intake would make the build distinguished... but man 2500 is alot.... if it was 2 grand, i would paypal him the money lol... 2500 just for a intake, no aftermarket fuel rails kinda sucks

thats alot of dough. lol and i will tell your sis hi if i see her hopefully i dont....

Ive never had a decathiter stuck inside my parts, but man im sure that would be extremely un comfortable and probably hurt like hell... so hopefully i dont ever have to do that....

*r3dn3ck* · 10-26-2008, 08:15 PM

if you have the sullivan, use it. It's not a bad piece in its own right.

tjm73 · 10-27-2008, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by myillwillinc

ok here it is: 272hp 316tq

the other run is with the 100 shot of hell fast juice.....

http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m...8-VID00010.flv

What's the run down on this engine? CNC Heads? Cams? Throttle body? Tune? Rotating assembly?

SleepingGT · 10-27-2008, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

looks like the GTO got straight pulled on. Way to smoke em.

the best part of that was, the initial part of the video was on motor

i didn't hit the ntirous until after he was already out of edge of the camera...notice how right about the time the silver car came into view the car seemed to accelerate a shit load faster---that was about the time i put a damned country mile on him

TurboX2 · 10-27-2008, 07:03 AM

Hmm....just watched that video, if that was the actual dyno run did you do it in 1st gear?

SleepingGT · 10-27-2008, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tjm73

What's the run down on this engine? CNC Heads? Cams? Throttle body? Tune? Rotating assembly?

mild street turbo motor with nitrous cams and no boost

full list
cnc stage III TEA heads
nitrous cams from miles per hour
manley springs and retainers
manley -11cc dish pistons .020 over(9.2:1)
MMR/manley H-beams--arp 2000 bolts
manley rings
stock forged lightning crankshaft
stock cobra oil pump
hps intake
accufab 75mm tb/plen
cold air kit
JBA ported and ceramic coated shorties

SleepingGT · 10-27-2008, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboX2

Hmm....just watched that video, if that was the actual dyno run did you do it in 1st gear?

dyno run pretty much always done in 3rd gear

and that video was from a 60mph roll

TurboX2 · 10-27-2008, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by audikillsbmw

Thanks r3d

. Any idea what the idle quality will be like with those cams?

They idle nicely in a 4.6, and a 5.4 will tame them down a bit so should lump a little but not cause any drivability issues.

TurboX2 · 10-27-2008, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SleepingGT

dyno run pretty much always done in 3rd gear

Must have been the nitrous run then, didn't take nearly long enough to be an n/a pull in 3rd, thats why I was asking about the gear...

*r3dn3ck* · 10-27-2008, 08:48 AM

I've been doing some figuring and it seems fitting that we step back and look at what the engine is making so everyone measures with a standard yardstick so to speak. We all take about 20% as our baseline for losses in a slushbox and about 15% for manuals. So:

if sleepingGT is making 272/316 to the wheels, so stack that 20% back on and we see 340bhp and 390btq estimated. That's impressive from a 335 inch engine.

I made on my best run 280/333 to the wheels, so stack my 15% back on and we get 330bhp and 390btq. Dammit... beaten again.

SleepingGT made 10hp better than me when you strip away all the layers. Wait till we both have our headers on. Mine are supposed to finish friday. We'll see about that.

SleepingGT · 10-27-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

I've been doing some figuring and it seems fitting that we step back and look at what the engine is making so everyone measures with a standard yardstick so to speak. We all take about 20% as our baseline for losses in a slushbox and about 15% for manuals. So:

if sleepingGT is making 272/316 to the wheels, so stack that 20% back on and we see 340bhp and 390btq estimated. That's impressive from a 335 inch engine.

I made on my best run 280/333 to the wheels, so stack my 15% back on and we get 330bhp and 390btq. Dammit... beaten again.

SleepingGT made 10hp better than me when you strip away all the layers. Wait till we both have our headers on. Mine are supposed to finish friday. We'll see about that.

actually i would venture to guess my trans is alot more than 20% on the dyno, the stock trans is like 20-25, a higher stall converter reads alot less on a dyno than the stock converter even though the higher stall runs faster in the quarter/eighth

myillwillinc · 10-27-2008, 11:52 AM

just wait, i have a couple tricks for hunters motor.

also, the hps intake needs to be cleaned up alittle bit when you recieve it. the pors are ruff from casting and have a lip on them. i think that would effect your air flow greatly. i didn't realize it till i was working on mine over the weekend. so everyone getting one make sure you get the ports smoothed out before installation, after i have hunters done and redyno'd we'll see if it makes any diffrence to the final numbers.