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Not swapping. You guys are nuts for trying.
1.82%
Not swapping but find the topic interesting.
12.73%
Thinking about doing the swap but not in the next year.
16.82%
Definitely going to do the swap in the next year or so.
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Doing it now. Looking for an engine or awaiting delivery.
15.45%
Doing it now. Already bought an engine.
18.64%
Done. Got my 5.4L and showin my tail lights to camaro's every day.
7.73%
Screw 5.4, I'm going diesel 4cylinder.
1.36%
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Old 12-07-2007, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by myillwillinc
i drove an 07 gto auto and it drove awesome. lots of power and super comfy....
interior is butt ugly IMO though, I considered it..

I would take a termi if I could find one that met my requirements but I have a better chance of hitting powerball - and I live in NV
 
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Old 12-07-2007, 03:05 PM
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lemme guess... no mods and owned by a old lady?
 
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Could always get a Crown Vic or Marauder since you can't beat the room there and when you get cash again, throw a 5.4 in there. But yeah, the GTO is pretty roomy for a 2-door ad you also get a LS1/LS2...
 
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Old 12-07-2007, 05:17 PM
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I'm pretty set on the GTO right now, a Marauder wouldn't do it for me, it just wouldnt.

r3d for a termi it has to be under 38k miles, in NV, at a dealer, priced in the low 20's - and thats just not gonna happen, even with 36k miles they are still high 20's private party..
 
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24 lb injectors are good for 345rwhp/332 rwtq, i know our club has a bolt -on 05 gt making that poweron No2. stock pump, stock injectors. other bolt-on 05+ make 310 rwhp/310 rwtq with stock 23lb injectors. ev-6 stang and truck motors use 23lb.
 

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Old 12-08-2007, 07:54 AM
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my 21's hit 90% duty cycle on my dyno runs. Granted it was running really rich. I'm planning on 350/350 or thereabouts plus 200hp worth of nitrous. The 32's should make my life a little easier and the new pump is kinda mandatory for any more power than I'm making now.

281.. would you consider a Cali car if it's otherwise meeting your criteria? May be able to help.
 
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Old 12-09-2007, 06:28 PM
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Red I'm desperate for an intake solution. Any news from HPS?
 
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Old 12-09-2007, 07:28 PM
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Actually I just noticed you got it to fit with the stock hood, was this using adapters? How'd you make it fit?
 
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Old 12-09-2007, 08:33 PM
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u have to trim the support on the hood.
 
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Old 12-09-2007, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by myillwillinc
u have to trim the support on the hood.
Thats it? So I can use my RR adapters and stock intake and just trim the hood support?
 
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:33 PM
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on a 2v i believe. my adapters are 1.5 in thick so i had to goto a cobra r hood.
 
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
my 21's hit 90% duty cycle on my dyno runs. Granted it was running really rich. I'm planning on 350/350 or thereabouts plus 200hp worth of nitrous. The 32's should make my life a little easier and the new pump is kinda mandatory for any more power than I'm making now.

281.. would you consider a Cali car if it's otherwise meeting your criteria? May be able to help.
NV only - its a stip per my financing and it has to be a major franchise dealer...
 
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:26 AM
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You SURE can. I'm using a tall plenum (Pro Products) as well so there's some added height from that.

RR adapters are just about an inch thick. You'll just need to chop a hole in the underside supports with a cutoff wheel or jigsaw etc...

Good high contrast shot of the hole. The white is the underside of the hood skin. Don't worry about weakening it... it's plenty strong.
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Blitzmann
Red I'm desperate for an intake solution. Any news from HPS?
He's been pretty much unreachable which usually means he's busy making it happen. It's definitely approaching. Don't count on anytime sooner than January though, and that's a best case. Once they're cast they have to go through machining and finish work to be ready for the door.
 
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Old 12-10-2007, 10:01 AM
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jan. will be when i'm hoping to get mine back on the road. maybe i'll be able to dyno it with adapters on a weekend and the hps intake the following weekend.
 
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Old 12-10-2007, 09:25 PM
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4.6 and 5.4 2v's use the same head gaskets/bolts correct? I am doing a stock build and was looking at this kit http://store.summitracing.com/partde...6&autoview=sku

I know its allready covered in here but damn if I can remember what was said. Thanks!

Also, anyone know the chamber size of the navi heads and chanber size of the PI heads? I am putting the PI heads on the stock navi shortblock and am trying to see where the compression is going to end up. The navi's use flattops FWIW. This engine is getting slung into the car until I am done with the high comp, high rpm navi headed beast. Really what I need to know is what CC the chambers are, if anyone happens to know. Thanks! Best I can tell should be at around 11.2-11.5.
 

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Old 12-11-2007, 08:39 AM
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Yea same headgaskets, same studs/bolts..

BTW I havent heard back from that dude about my 5.4... I know you guys all know someone that wants to get in on this... spread the word
 
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Old 12-11-2007, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by singlesupra
Also, anyone know the chamber size of the navi heads and chanber size of the PI heads? I am putting the PI heads on the stock navi shortblock and am trying to see where the compression is going to end up. The navi's use flattops FWIW. This engine is getting slung into the car until I am done with the high comp, high rpm navi headed beast. Really what I need to know is what CC the chambers are, if anyone happens to know. Thanks! Best I can tell should be at around 11.2-11.5.
51-53cc for 4v heads, 43cc for PI heads.

With flat tops you'll see like 11.3:1 on PI heads. You'll see about 10.1:1 on 4v heads. If you want to maintain the same compression on the 4v heads you'll need a 6.5cc domed piston.
 
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Old 12-11-2007, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
51-53cc for 4v heads, 43cc for PI heads.

With flat tops you'll see like 11.3:1 on PI heads. You'll see about 10.1:1 on 4v heads. If you want to maintain the same compression on the 4v heads you'll need a 6.5cc domed piston.
Cool deal guys, thought that was about right. Want make much power with this combo, but atleast Ill be able to drive it while getting the navi based engine completed as well as the intake. Should be a hell of a street racing low roll runner with the 4.10's and a 200-250 shot. I know, I know too much gas for this engine but as I said its just parts I got laying around might as well have some fun with them!
Thanks again!
 
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:14 AM
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avoid 4.10's... traction is not possible with them. Try 3.73's as a maximum and those will limit traction up to deep into 3rd gear. 200 shot isn't too much as long as you keep it above 3000rpm for activation rpm.

Even in 2v form... the numbers aren't big but the actual performance is startling.
 
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
avoid 4.10's... traction is not possible with them. Try 3.73's as a maximum and those will limit traction up to deep into 3rd gear. 200 shot isn't too much as long as you keep it above 3000rpm for activation rpm.

Even in 2v form... the numbers aren't big but the actual performance is startling.
Im not swapping out gears, Il just throw my slicks on. Since this is a temp engine anyway, I know the 4v will love the gear and dont wanna swap back again
 
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Old 12-12-2007, 11:02 AM
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that sounds well thought out. hadn't considered using slicks. With the 4v you'll really like it. Welcome to the land of wheels up racing.
 
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
that sounds well thought out. hadn't considered using slicks. With the 4v you'll really like it. Welcome to the land of wheels up racing.

I was not aware that any other tire other than a slick would fit a mustang wheel?
 
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i use hoosier 275/50/15 DOT pros, and they don't spin unless i stall the convter to max.



also i just purchased T-6 2.5" x 1" x .065 thick aliminum rectangle section tubing. 24 feet of it. with the 12" x 20" plates i have laying around and 8 injector bungs, i do believe i am quitting the adapter business and am just going to copy the 5.4 3v intake on modular fords.com

i need to find trumpets to match. more later. i will be done by march. i am indecided on the specs yet. too many things to decide concerning the application. ie, all race, or street performance, or torque with moderate HP.


runner length and plenum volume are the only two variables i am considering right now.
 
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Originally Posted by assasinator
i use hoosier 275/50/15 DOT pros, and they don't spin unless i stall the convter to max.



also i just purchased T-6 2.5" x 1" x .065 thick aliminum rectangle section tubing. 24 feet of it. with the 12" x 20" plates i have laying around and 8 injector bungs, i do believe i am quitting the adapter business and am just going to copy the 5.4 3v intake on modular fords.com

i need to find trumpets to match. more later. i will be done by march. i am indecided on the specs yet. too many things to decide concerning the application. ie, all race, or street performance, or torque with moderate HP.


runner length and plenum volume are the only two variables i am considering right now.
Do a search for runner lenght calculator and it should get you pretty damn close as to lenght(from valve opening to top of runner) From my understanding, plenon volume does not matter on a FI car but does on carb setups. Im goin by memory on a custom intake I built a long time ago though, so I might be off base.
Goodluck dude and keep us posted!
 
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http://rossmachineracing.com/intakepartspage.html

Forgot to give you that link, they sell hard to find parts(velocity stacks, etc..)
 
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:43 AM
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nice link. Great work!

Richard Holdener got the same results with large plenum intake runner lengths that I ended up with for the HPS 5.4 and my current 4.6 intake: 9.5" with a proper cam and proper runner volume makes for 4500rpm peak tq, which is about perfect for a street car.
 
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Little update for anyone interested

Got the 4.6 tore down(question on that shortly)

Tore the navi longblock down last night, bottom end checks out(rod side/side, rod bearings and crank bearings) it all looks great matter of fact. However, damn at the carbon buildup! Damn passenger cars/SUV's not being driven like they should

Doing a quick portmatch to the heads now. Gonna see what a stock swap will do with the added compression.

My question, I thought all 1999 gt's used a 6 bolt crank? Kinda hard to tell but I beleave the damn thing is forged(like in a cobra) however so much crud on it I cant tell as of yet fully. WTF is going on here?
 
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:13 PM
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99-00 and a few 01's got a lot of windsor 8 bolt crank motors. They're still a cast crank IIRC.
 
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Sorry guys, I'm dropping out of the 5.4 project! I have heads and forged crank from a 5.4 Lightning Engine for Sale: https://mustangboards.com/mustang-cl...tml#post297822
 


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