Kenne bell 1.7l

3V2000GT · 02-21-2006, 05:10 PM

ok I've been thinking about superchargers and I'm thinking about either a slaeen s/c or the Kernne bell 1700 kit. Is there anything else i would need to get with the charger, gears, etc.? I want to know of everything i could possibly need in order for this thisng to work properly. I have auto tranny. Im leaning towards the KB intercooled but don't know if i want to spend that much money. is it worth it?
I wont be doing this until mid summer so please give me any advice you could possibly give me.. and is milage really a big issue with S/C? I have over 50,000 80% highway
THE.....2000GT

RedFirevert04GT · 02-21-2006, 07:16 PM

Get a compression and leakdown test done before you buy any kits. If the engine passes then you're fine. I love my KB setup. I've got the dyno sheets posted if you want to know what to expect.

sacstoy02gt · 02-21-2006, 07:30 PM

You'll want fuel pressure and boost gauges, and a wideband o2 kit is a good investment.

You might want to go to 3.73s with an auto. Mine's just fine with a manual and 3.27s though.

Slap it on, check the tune on a dyno, and enjoy. You won't regreat doing it.

3V2000GT · 02-21-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RedFirevert04GT

Get a compression and leakdown test done before you buy any kits. If the engine passes then you're fine. I love my KB setup. I've got the dyno sheets posted if you want to know what to expect.

Where do i go about doing this compression and leakdown test? And yeah i would like to see your dyno sheets, And also what kind of gas milage do you get with the KB? It said on the KB website that you shouldnt really lose much gas by driving normally its only when you get on it that you lose a lot.

sacstoy02gt · 02-22-2006, 04:38 AM

My gas mileage is horrible. It's tough to get 15mpg out of it when I baby it.

But, my tune, according to 3 dynos, is rich as hell <= 10:1 A/F. Kenne Bell repeatedly says my tune is dead on.

It's getting retuned as soon as I can pull it out of storage. I'd then expect to get at least 22mpg on the highway with it.

There's a good Kenne Bell tech forum over at Modular Fords, read through the whole forum, lots of good info.
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/kenne-bell-tech/

Here's my dyno graph at 9 psi.

stanger00 · 02-22-2006, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sacstoy02gt

My gas mileage is horrible. It's tough to get 15mpg out of it when I baby it.

But, my tune, according to 3 dynos, is rich as hell <= 10:1 A/F. Kenne Bell repeatedly says my tune is dead on.

It's getting retuned as soon as I can pull it out of storage. I'd then expect to get at least 22mpg on the highway with it.

when you had your car checked they probably used a sniffer instead of a wideband. i had my car checked in california with a sniffer and they graph showed me at 10.5 a/f. when i went to tims shop and checked the a/f for the 91 and 93 tune they were both at 11.5-12.0 a/f. well the 93 tune had a little problem the fuel pump couldnt keep up.

sacstoy02gt · 02-22-2006, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by stanger00

when you had your car checked they probably used a sniffer instead of a wideband. i had my car checked in california with a sniffer and they graph showed me at 10.5 a/f. when i went to tims shop and checked the a/f for the 91 and 93 tune they were both at 11.5-12.0 a/f. well the 93 tune had a little problem the fuel pump couldnt keep up.

Tried wideband and sniffers from 3 different dynos, all the same results.

I have fouled a set of plugs as well (TR6) - so, yeah, I think it runs a bit rich...

whitethunder46 · 02-22-2006, 08:45 AM

If you got a Saleen blower, only get the series IV. the series II is a waste of money and would get no more than 450RWHP even ported, pulley changed, and swapping to a series VI inlet system. This was is an Eaton Blower.

The series IV is a Whipple blower and can support much more power. IMHO tho, just get a Kenne Bell, the only reason to get a Saleen is if someone is trying to pully off a clone/replica.

RedFirevert04GT · 02-22-2006, 01:03 PM

Here's my dyno after boost overlayed on the last dyno before the blower.

Lunati · 02-22-2006, 01:25 PM

Heres mine. Gas mileage change, but due to being on it to much, lol...U won't regret it.

RedFirevert04GT · 02-22-2006, 04:36 PM

Yeah, if you're thinking about a blower then gas milage should not be something you're basing your decision on. It's gonna suck for the most part. When I can get on open highway and set the cruise and draft behind someone I only get 24. In the city, I'm lucky to hit 15.

3V2000GT · 02-22-2006, 04:57 PM

Yeah gas mileage doesn't really matter to me i just wanted to get an idea of what you guys were gettin. id rather have power than get good gas mileage. Im pretty much set on the Kenne bell, but that wont be for a couple of months, so i am going to reaserch this thing and see if i can install it my self... what do you guys think? and what psi should i run it at? i want the most power with the least stress on the engine.

does anyone have any other suggestions on any other s/c's that would be good to look at?
THE.....2000GT

StangMan04 · 02-22-2006, 05:21 PM

highest psi i would run is 10 on a stock bottom end. normal is 9psi.

sacstoy02gt · 02-22-2006, 06:09 PM

10# is pushing it, 9#is relatively safe.

The install is time-consuming, but not hard. The directions provided with the kit are top-notch. Each step includes a picture, tells you what wrench, what bolt and what to torque the bolt to. Makes it almost too easy.

RedFirevert04GT · 02-22-2006, 06:44 PM

I'm pushing 9. I was told i could go 10 but to expect to put a bottom end in the car within a year if I did. With this being a daily driver, I played it a little on the safe side.

3V2000GT · 02-22-2006, 09:56 PM

Can i still use my sct xcal 2 with the kenne bell?

THE.....2000GT

MattJ · 02-22-2006, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The2000GT

Can i still use my sct xcal 2 with the kenne bell?

THE.....2000GT

Yes, you sure can.

sacstoy02gt · 02-23-2006, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MattJ

Yes, you sure can.

Well....
You can use your existing one to datalog or have a tuner use it to flash your custom tune.

Kenne Bell will not give their tune out to XCal users to be flashed. They'll supply a chip with their kit; but you can probably not get that with an order and just get a custom tune if you wish. You'll just have no warranty from them on the blower.

RedFirevert04GT · 02-23-2006, 08:14 AM

Or you can have them send you a blank chip, like they did mine, and have the installer/tuner write the tunes from scratch.

3V2000GT · 02-27-2006, 08:40 PM

How much horsepower to you lose to the wheels with an auto comapred to manual?

whitethunder46 · 02-27-2006, 08:41 PM

About 5% more if comparing stock auto

3V2000GT · 02-27-2006, 08:42 PM

I see that really sucks, but oh well

02-21-2006, 05:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
3V2000GT 46MONSTER Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wheaton, IL Posts: 2,209	Kenne bell 1.7l ok I've been thinking about superchargers and I'm thinking about either a slaeen s/c or the Kernne bell 1700 kit. Is there anything else i would need to get with the charger, gears, etc.? I want to know of everything i could possibly need in order for this thisng to work properly. I have auto tranny. Im leaning towards the KB intercooled but don't know if i want to spend that much money. is it worth it? I wont be doing this until mid summer so please give me any advice you could possibly give me.. and is milage really a big issue with S/C? I have over 50,000 80% highway THE.....2000GT __________________ 2000 GT Black on Tan, TKO 600: 370rwhp 370rwtq NA Built 3v 2004 Honda CBR 600 F4i Black/Red 2000 SVT Lightning Silver i love jinny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! lucky is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

02-21-2006, 07:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
RedFirevert04GT Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Va Beach, Va Posts: 336	Get a compression and leakdown test done before you buy any kits. If the engine passes then you're fine. I love my KB setup. I've got the dyno sheets posted if you want to know what to expect. __________________ '04 Red Fire vert. KB 1.7L intercooled 9lb with all the trimmin's & Big Boost kit w/ Switch Chip. Mac catted h-pipe & Mac catback. 411RWHP / 414 RWTQ.

02-21-2006, 07:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
sacstoy02gt Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wind Lake, WI Posts: 147	You'll want fuel pressure and boost gauges, and a wideband o2 kit is a good investment. You might want to go to 3.73s with an auto. Mine's just fine with a manual and 3.27s though. Slap it on, check the tune on a dyno, and enjoy. You won't regreat doing it. __________________ Satin Silver '02 GT - Just a little twin-screwed 4.6...

02-22-2006, 04:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
sacstoy02gt Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wind Lake, WI Posts: 147	My gas mileage is horrible. It's tough to get 15mpg out of it when I baby it. But, my tune, according to 3 dynos, is rich as hell <= 10:1 A/F. Kenne Bell repeatedly says my tune is dead on. It's getting retuned as soon as I can pull it out of storage. I'd then expect to get at least 22mpg on the highway with it. There's a good Kenne Bell tech forum over at Modular Fords, read through the whole forum, lots of good info. http://www.modularfords.com/forums/kenne-bell-tech/ Here's my dyno graph at 9 psi. __________________ Satin Silver '02 GT - Just a little twin-screwed 4.6...

02-22-2006, 08:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	If you got a Saleen blower, only get the series IV. the series II is a waste of money and would get no more than 450RWHP even ported, pulley changed, and swapping to a series VI inlet system. This was is an Eaton Blower. The series IV is a Whipple blower and can support much more power. IMHO tho, just get a Kenne Bell, the only reason to get a Saleen is if someone is trying to pully off a clone/replica. __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

02-22-2006, 01:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lunati Whats that Whining Noise? Join Date: May 2005 Location: 305 Til I Die!! Posts: 403	Heres mine. Gas mileage change, but due to being on it to much, lol...U won't regret it. __________________ 04 DSG Blown GT/ 5 Speed 1.7L KB Blower, Headers, 4.10 Gears, etc... 397 RWHP & 407 RWTQ @ 9 PSI Tuned by Steen Racing

02-22-2006, 04:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
RedFirevert04GT Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Va Beach, Va Posts: 336	Yeah, if you're thinking about a blower then gas milage should not be something you're basing your decision on. It's gonna suck for the most part. When I can get on open highway and set the cruise and draft behind someone I only get 24. In the city, I'm lucky to hit 15. __________________ '04 Red Fire vert. KB 1.7L intercooled 9lb with all the trimmin's & Big Boost kit w/ Switch Chip. Mac catted h-pipe & Mac catback. 411RWHP / 414 RWTQ.

02-22-2006, 04:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
3V2000GT 46MONSTER Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wheaton, IL Posts: 2,209	Yeah gas mileage doesn't really matter to me i just wanted to get an idea of what you guys were gettin. id rather have power than get good gas mileage. Im pretty much set on the Kenne bell, but that wont be for a couple of months, so i am going to reaserch this thing and see if i can install it my self... what do you guys think? and what psi should i run it at? i want the most power with the least stress on the engine. does anyone have any other suggestions on any other s/c's that would be good to look at? THE.....2000GT __________________ 2000 GT Black on Tan, TKO 600: 370rwhp 370rwtq NA Built 3v 2004 Honda CBR 600 F4i Black/Red 2000 SVT Lightning Silver i love jinny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! lucky is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

02-22-2006, 05:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
StangMan04 Ricer Abuser Join Date: May 2005 Location: Richmond,Va Posts: 430	highest psi i would run is 10 on a stock bottom end. normal is 9psi. __________________ 2004 GT SLP Loudmouth 2 Catback,SLP Catted X-pipe,SLP LT Headers,JLT RAI,4:10s, XCal2. Waiting to go in: VT Stage 3 Blower Cams, 3200 Stall

02-22-2006, 06:09 PM	#14 (permalink)
sacstoy02gt Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wind Lake, WI Posts: 147	10# is pushing it, 9#is relatively safe. The install is time-consuming, but not hard. The directions provided with the kit are top-notch. Each step includes a picture, tells you what wrench, what bolt and what to torque the bolt to. Makes it almost too easy. __________________ Satin Silver '02 GT - Just a little twin-screwed 4.6...

02-22-2006, 06:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
RedFirevert04GT Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Va Beach, Va Posts: 336	I'm pushing 9. I was told i could go 10 but to expect to put a bottom end in the car within a year if I did. With this being a daily driver, I played it a little on the safe side. __________________ '04 Red Fire vert. KB 1.7L intercooled 9lb with all the trimmin's & Big Boost kit w/ Switch Chip. Mac catted h-pipe & Mac catback. 411RWHP / 414 RWTQ.

02-22-2006, 09:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
3V2000GT 46MONSTER Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wheaton, IL Posts: 2,209	Can i still use my sct xcal 2 with the kenne bell? THE.....2000GT __________________ 2000 GT Black on Tan, TKO 600: 370rwhp 370rwtq NA Built 3v 2004 Honda CBR 600 F4i Black/Red 2000 SVT Lightning Silver i love jinny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! lucky is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

02-23-2006, 08:14 AM	#19 (permalink)
RedFirevert04GT Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Va Beach, Va Posts: 336	Or you can have them send you a blank chip, like they did mine, and have the installer/tuner write the tunes from scratch. __________________ '04 Red Fire vert. KB 1.7L intercooled 9lb with all the trimmin's & Big Boost kit w/ Switch Chip. Mac catted h-pipe & Mac catback. 411RWHP / 414 RWTQ.

02-27-2006, 08:40 PM	#20 (permalink)
3V2000GT 46MONSTER Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wheaton, IL Posts: 2,209	How much horsepower to you lose to the wheels with an auto comapred to manual? __________________ 2000 GT Black on Tan, TKO 600: 370rwhp 370rwtq NA Built 3v 2004 Honda CBR 600 F4i Black/Red 2000 SVT Lightning Silver i love jinny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! lucky is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

02-27-2006, 08:41 PM	#21 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	About 5% more if comparing stock auto __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

02-27-2006, 08:42 PM	#22 (permalink)
3V2000GT 46MONSTER Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wheaton, IL Posts: 2,209	I see that really sucks, but oh well __________________ 2000 GT Black on Tan, TKO 600: 370rwhp 370rwtq NA Built 3v 2004 Honda CBR 600 F4i Black/Red 2000 SVT Lightning Silver i love jinny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! lucky is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

02-27-2006, 08:43 PM	#23 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct