One more note about the red light cameras. It has been proven that at intersections known to have cameras, the accident rate has actually risen. Due to the fact that rearend collisions are happening because some drivers are scared to run the yellow light, and 2 or 3 people behind them are ready to make the light.. The way around this should be a 2 or 3 second delay on the red to green ratio between the lights..

I know where I live I look both ways before I take off from a green light, I don't care how long mine has been green. Getting creamed from someone running a red light at full bore is not pretty..

 

dude speaking of deadly greenlights...fire engines run red lights at full speed without even slowing down around the city...its crazy

 

streetracer i love you sig.
city workers like garbidge men get in more recks then anyone the city of spokane wa pays out over 2 mil a year for damages.

 

Like I said, look both ways even if you have a green light, you should be able to see if someone is or is not gonna stop for their red light. I've seen plenty of people just haphazardly drive through a green light without even noticing the other cars who have an obvious red light. That is a deadly mistake to assume someone is gonna stop.. Use common sense and assume they might not stop, or they are going to fast to stop. You gotta use defensive driving at most intersections.. Only takes a few seconds to be aware of your surroundings..

 

That hits home around here. When the roads get bad, you can almost expect at least 1 or 2 people to run every light. No one is gonna bother to slam on their brakes when they can just keep going. I guess it's better to drive through, then slide through.

 

thats like one tmie my dad (he is a truck driver) was coming down this hill in the winter time and at the bottom of the hill was a red light thankfully there were no cars at it because he couldnt stop so he whent right through it on the air horn the hole time. there was even a cop at the light and he just waved.

 

2nd hand smoke? phhhhsss... whatever. lol. if you die from 2nd hand smoke ell you health was already severely degenrated from something else. and if you can "proove" someone died from 2nd hand smoke then yer one hell of a salesman, you should go try to sell somone the brooklin bridge too.

however, emissions from deisels on the highway show far far higher levels of toxins, and with so many people commuting every day it is far more likely they were piosoned from the deisels because with as much as people drive around the average person is exposed to far more deisel toxins than 2nd hand smoke toxins.

for some reason, nobody seems to give a ****. Instead lets blame smokers, who someghow are safe from 2nd hand smoke because they are smoking through a filter but somehow that dosent matter that they are sitting in the same room breaking the same air and also taking full blasts to the lungs.

lol

sorry, just one of my aggrivations is this occasional popping ludacris claim that 2nd hand smoking can kill.

 

Dangers of Second-Hand Smoke
What is second-hand smoke?
Second-hand smoke (also called passive smoke or environmental tobacco smoke) is the combination of smoke from a burning cigarette and smoke exhaled by a smoker. The smoke that burns off the end of a cigarette or cigar actually contains more harmful substances than the smoke inhaled by the smoker. This means that people who don’t smoke but are regularly around those who smoke are exposed to the health risks of cigarette smoking.

How does second-hand smoke affect non-smokers?
Even if you don’t smoke but are exposed to second-hand smoke on a regular basis, your body will absorb nicotine and other harmful substances just as smokers’ bodies do. In addition, the longer you are around second-hand smoke, the greater the level of harmful substances in your body. As a result, you might have an increased risk of developing smoking-related disorders, including:

Lung cancer
Heart disease
Emphysema
Eye and nasal irritation
Asthma
Who is at greatest risk of being harmed by second-hand smoke?
Although any person who spends a lot of time around those who smoke has an increased chance of developing a smoking-related illness, certain people are extremely susceptible to the harmful effects of second-hand smoke. These include:

· Service industry workers, such as bartenders and restaurant servers. People who work in environments where they are constantly exposed to smokers might absorb carcinogens and other harmful substances from second-hand tobacco smoke on a regular basis. This puts them at greater risk of developing respiratory infections and other illnesses.

· Pregnant women. Second hand-smoke harms not only the mother-to-be, but her unborn child as well. It increases both her and her baby's risk of developing lung cancer, heart disease, emphysema, allergies, asthma, and other health problems.

· Infants and children. Because young children can’t choose to leave a smoke-filled environment, this constant exposure makes them especially vulnerable to the health risks of second-hand smoke. Infants and children who are regularly exposed to second-hand smoke have an increased chance of developing the following conditions:

Frequent colds
Asthma
Chronic coughs
Ear infections
High blood pressure
Learning and behavior problems later in childhood
In addition, among infants up to 18 months of age, second-hand smoke is associated with as many as 300,000 cases of bronchitis and pneumonia each year.

What can I do to avoid second-hand smoke?
The following suggestions might be helpful in reducing, or even eliminating, your and your family’s exposure to second-hand smoke:

Whenever possible, ask visitors to your home to smoke outside.
Open windows and use fans to ventilate rooms.
Don't keep ashtrays in your home.
Tell babysitters and other caregivers not smoke around your children, even if it is in their own home.
If you are visiting a smoker’s home with your children, try to socialize outside whenever possible.
If smoking is allowed where you work, talk to your employer about modifying the company's smoking policy.
Ask to work near other non-smokers or as far away from smokers as possible.
Use a fan and open windows to ventilate your workspace.
When staying in a hotel, ask for a non-smoking room.
Ask to be seated in the non-smoking sections of restaurants, and suggest to the managers that they make the restaurants smoke-free.
Stay informed about any changes in federal, state, and local smoking laws and become involved in strengthening those laws.
For additional information about second-hand smoke, contact the following agencies:

Action on Smoking and Health (ASH)
2013 H Street, NW
Washington, DC 20006
202.659.4310

American Cancer Society
1599 Clifton Road, NE
Atlanta, GA 30329
1.800.ACS.2345

Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights
2530 San Pablo Avenue, Suite J
Berkeley, CA 94702
510.841.3032

National Cancer Institute
Building 31, Room 10A24
Bethesda, MD 20892
1.800.4.CANCER

National Institute for Occupational
Safety and Health
4676 Columbia Parkway
Cincinnati, OH 42226-1998
1.800.35.NIOSH

Office on Smoking and Health
Centers for Disease Control
Mail Stop K-50
4770 Buford Highway, NE
Atlanta, GA 30341-3724
1.800.CDC.1311

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
Indoor Air Quality Information Clearinghouse
(IAQ INFO)
P.O. Box 37133
Washington, D.C. 20013-7133
1.800.438.4318

The National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Information Center
P.O. Box 30105
Bethesda, MD 20824-0105

 

now back to those damn cameras...boy i hate them

 

http://www.junkscience.com/news/diesel.html

put that in yer non smoking pipe and smoke it

and all those quialified organizations you listed, most of them are anti smoking lobbiests. yeah... not too biased.

 

uh...at least i quoted organizations and whatnot....YOU quoted a camel jockey and a coupla chicks from a website called JUNKSCIENCE...man thats convincing...lol

 

lol.... i bet they are dykes too, but none the less, the concept 2nd hand smoke causing death is freaking hilarious. its just propaganda from the anti-smoking lobby.

Deisel emissions are more toxic and there is more exposure, however im sure the oil industries have helped keep that one quiet.. lol

 

Smoke is smoke.....you can't tell me that breathing smoke of any kind is good for you. Has anyone died from it? ****, I don't know. But, it most certainly is not healthy.

Mayo Clinic in Rochester MN is generally regarded as the worlds most recognized cancer treatment center and I have family who works there. It has been proven many times that people that live in homes where people smoke get sick and have other problems more frequently. Death? Hey, it may just be a factor.

Many dr's at Mayo will no longer treat any patient for cancer who smokes. As soon as they suspect that you smoke, you get turned away. They have turned away patients right on the operating table when faced with evidence that the patient still smokes.

Why? Well, it is medically proven that smoking reduces the liklihood of the treatment being succesful and means that the patient and family are not comittted to the health of the patient. The issue is being challenged in some cases in court, but the doctors keep winning.

Personally, I think anyone who smokes around kids is comitting mild child abuse. However, I do not believe in government bans of smoking in cities etc... People have a right to smoke just like they have a right to be fat and non-smokers can always find other places to go. Let the businesses decide.

****, this thread was about cameras......BTW, I see where some cities have pulled the cameras after being sued because it removes "due process". Let's hope this trend continues.

 

^^ fair enough

lol

it def aint healthy, thats for sure.

 

+1 on everything right here. I hate how they're trying to control every aspect of our lives b/c they know what's better.