I wanna beat evo's and ss cams.

Blue Thunder · 08-15-2006, 01:06 AM

Ok so with my N/A bullitt what kind of times/mods will i need to beat stock evo's and stock camaro SS's? These are the two car's that are consistantly beating me what can i do (I refuse to supercharge,turbo, or nitrous or stroker) with my 281 to beat these bums? I wanna stay N/A!

Twin Turbo 330 · 08-15-2006, 05:00 AM

Ported and Polished Heads, Cams, longtube headers. I would start there and if you stroked it you would still be N/A so there's nothing wrong with that option. Unless you can't afford it.

Teal_Beast · 08-15-2006, 05:59 AM

Why no N20/Turbo/SC?

easiest most streetable way to make power

08-15-2006, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

Ok so with my N/A bullitt what kind of times/mods will i need to beat stock evo's and stock camaro SS's? These are the two car's that are consistantly beating me what can i do (I refuse to supercharge,turbo, or nitrous or stroker) with my 281 to beat these bums? I wanna stay N/A!

thats almost like saying you want to get laid, but you dont wanna get yur dick out. lol.

MattJ · 08-15-2006, 06:21 AM

buy forced induction. its the easiest and cheapest way to beat 12 second evos and 12 second SSs. Those cars are fast from the factory and if they have boltons, you are in for a beating.

spike_africa · 08-15-2006, 07:46 AM

just full exhaust and some bolts ons will do it. I have beaten a few SS and T/A with just bolt on's and good driving.

p3s7_01 · 08-15-2006, 10:23 AM

the evos are running turbos...therefore you should run on some sort of forced induction as well.

matrixpuba · 08-15-2006, 01:43 PM

how bout alot of gear and some M/T et streets and go from a dig?

01GTBlown · 08-15-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by zigzagg321

thats almost like saying you want to get laid, but you dont wanna get yur dick out. lol.

Ditto, SC that bitch and watch'em in the mirror!

Blk02stang · 08-15-2006, 04:24 PM

Just get ur basic bolt ons and a DR with some gear and you should beat both easily with good driving like Spike said. Most guys DO NOT know how to drive/launch evo's!

MattJ · 08-15-2006, 05:24 PM

Stock ones sure, but evos with minor bolt ons get into the mid 12s with minimal problems doing so. Plain and simple, youll have to supercharge your car to hang, unless you want to stick more money into heads, cams, boltons, and more... Decent heads alone will cost you 1200+ and you simply wont see the results as supercharging or nitrous would.

Blk02stang · 08-15-2006, 05:36 PM

Matt, your right really all they need is a boost controller and they will dip into the 12's. As far as a stock evo with intake and exhaust.....they lose power with the intake unless they add more boost, alot of the guys get pissed about it when they see it on the dyno a 12-15hp loss.

Honestly just save yourself time and add a 100-125 shot and eat them up.

MattJ · 08-15-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Blk02stang

Matt, your right really all they need is a boost controller and they will dip into the 12's. As far as a stock evo with intake and exhaust.....they lose power with the intake unless they add more boost, alot of the guys get pissed about it when they see it on the dyno a 12-15hp loss.

Honestly just save yourself time and add a 100-125 shot and eat them up.

Of course im right. Im always right.

Blk02stang · 08-15-2006, 05:41 PM

Some times.....

Codiddy · 08-15-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zigzagg321

thats almost like saying you want to get laid, but you dont wanna get yur dick out. lol.

Funniest thing i've heard around here for awhile!! thanks Zig, I may have to Sig that.

MattJ · 08-15-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Blk02stang

Some times.....

Ok there was this one time I thought I was wrong, but i was wrong. I was actually right!

08-15-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Codiddy

Funniest thing i've heard around here for awhile!! thanks Zig, I may have to Sig that.

cool man...yeah I sure got a chuckle out of it when it popped into my head.

C6C6CH3vo · 08-16-2006, 12:33 PM

N/A no nitrous?

With basic boltons including head work, somehow find about 600lbs of weight to shed and run a nitromethane W/M injection kit. Run optimal timing and tune the fuel to it.

The Methanol wont give but 5 - 10 WHP but the kit will provide a way to feed the nitromethane fuel.

Evo ricers vary greatly car to car from mods, skill, and year and just from looking you cant tell the difference in year - all four years they were equally as ugly, but here are typical times (average) to beat for stock evo:

03-04 VIII 14.0
05 VIII 13.9
06 IX 13.6

Since about 90% of these things are modded here's what to expect with a typical $2000 invested in evo, but with stock turbo:

03-04 VIII 12.2
05 VIII 12.2
06 IX 11.8 - 12.0

As far as SS z28, I don't know I dont drive one, but my friend runs 11.8 N/A stock motor (stock internals/head)

Good luck

What times are you running?

C6C6CH3vo · 08-16-2006, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teal_Beast

Why no N20/Turbo/SC?

easiest most streetable way to make power

The last time I was on this board you had a pair of turbo's in your hands.

Looks like you got them installed, nice!

jjtgiants · 08-16-2006, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zigzagg321

cool man...yeah I sure got a chuckle out of it when it popped into my head.

Damn it, zigzagg.....now I'm no longer sigged by codiddy! stop saying funny SH**

csledd · 08-16-2006, 02:37 PM

I'd definately go full exhaust and all the bolt ons and cams too. I beat my friends stock T/A LS1 before I did cams

spike_africa · 08-16-2006, 03:20 PM

It really doesnt take much to beat a stock or slightly modded one. All this talk of full bolt ons and cams i dont really see a need for that, and my car is rather heavy with bullit wheels,leather,and the mach 1000. I mean just s a few bolt ons to help flow and gears and traction like nitto dr's, MT's etc.. and you can kill most from a dig no problem.

Badfish · 08-16-2006, 04:19 PM

yeh i beat an 02 trans-am with an exhuast. i had gears, drag radials and some bolt ons

kcast · 08-16-2006, 04:33 PM

put some nawwwzzzz on that beotch...lol!

08-15-2006, 01:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
Blue Thunder Speed Demon Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 487	I wanna beat evo's and ss cams. Ok so with my N/A bullitt what kind of times/mods will i need to beat stock evo's and stock camaro SS's? These are the two car's that are consistantly beating me what can i do (I refuse to supercharge,turbo, or nitrous or stroker) with my 281 to beat these bums? I wanna stay N/A! __________________ Bullitt Mods: 4.10 's , Magnaflow Catback, Prochamber (OR), BBK Ceramic Lt's, Custom Tune, MGW Short Throw, SLP Line Lok, MM LCA's, MM XL SFC's, MRT CAI, Steeda UDP'S, Tokicko Illuminas, Steeda Sport Springs, MM CC Plates, X2 Balljoint, Bumpsteer Kit, MSD Coilpacks, Eaton LSD, 31 Mosers, Spec stage 2 clutch, Spec steel flywheel, M/T DR's. Cervini's RA Hood, 04 Cobra F. Bumper, 18" Bullitt Wheels, 20% Tint, HID Kit, Smoked Headlights, Painted interior trim(DHG), Seq. Tailights, Billett Stuff.

08-15-2006, 05:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
Twin Turbo 330 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sumter, SC Posts: 393	Ported and Polished Heads, Cams, longtube headers. I would start there and if you stroked it you would still be N/A so there's nothing wrong with that option. Unless you can't afford it. __________________ 03 Sonic Blue GT (SOLD) Working on an 87' Notch now!

08-15-2006, 05:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
Teal_Beast V6 Power Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Melbourne, FL Posts: 944	Why no N20/Turbo/SC? easiest most streetable way to make power __________________ '94 v6 Mustang Custom twin turbo kit by Justin @ vmp Split port engine swap from a 2000 v6 mustang 388whp 435wtq Want to go fishing in the Florida Keys? http://www.rustyiv.com/

08-15-2006, 06:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
MattJ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 10,243	buy forced induction. its the easiest and cheapest way to beat 12 second evos and 12 second SSs. Those cars are fast from the factory and if they have boltons, you are in for a beating. __________________ 2001 Mustang GT Premium - Mineral Grey

08-15-2006, 07:46 AM	#6 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,376	just full exhaust and some bolts ons will do it. I have beaten a few SS and T/A with just bolt on's and good driving. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

08-15-2006, 10:23 AM	#7 (permalink)
p3s7_01 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pacific Palisades, California Posts: 320	the evos are running turbos...therefore you should run on some sort of forced induction as well. __________________ 2002 Saleen Mustang S281 #379 -Steeda rear Upper & Lower Control arms -Saleen Bassani O/R X-pipe,Borla catback w/resonator tips -Saleen Pullies + intake -"Saleen" bumper insert -Smoked head & tail lights -SCT 4 bank chip w/ 1 tune -19'' black 5-spokes with 3 1/2'' lip -FRPP 70mm TB -MM front coil over kit -MM caster/camber plates -13'' Front CobraR brakes w/ Cobra rear

08-15-2006, 01:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
matrixpuba Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: tennessee Posts: 1,103	how bout alot of gear and some M/T et streets and go from a dig? __________________ pics->http://www.modularpowerhouse.com/for...?do=view&g=158 vid at idle->http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...t=5ab47c14.flv

08-15-2006, 04:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
Blk02stang I 8urvtec!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Va Posts: 815	Just get ur basic bolt ons and a DR with some gear and you should beat both easily with good driving like Spike said. Most guys DO NOT know how to drive/launch evo's! __________________ New toys '07 F-150 black on black and completely blacked out! '96 Mitsu eclipse RS: 'jus your average 2nd gen with a small block 331c.i. and a few bolt-on goodies(175shot) and rwd...1st one to be done! SOLD 2004 GT Annv. edition. Custom Exhaust: o/r X pipe: Eibach Sportline full suspension: Clutchmasters stage 4 clutch: K&N filter: Steeda Tri-ax shifter: Mach 1 shift knob: BFG Drag radials: Compucar "nitrous-n-a-bag" 80-shot Stage I, Compucar Wet kit 125shot stage II

08-15-2006, 05:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
MattJ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 10,243	Stock ones sure, but evos with minor bolt ons get into the mid 12s with minimal problems doing so. Plain and simple, youll have to supercharge your car to hang, unless you want to stick more money into heads, cams, boltons, and more... Decent heads alone will cost you 1200+ and you simply wont see the results as supercharging or nitrous would. __________________ 2001 Mustang GT Premium - Mineral Grey

08-15-2006, 05:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
Blk02stang I 8urvtec!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Va Posts: 815	Matt, your right really all they need is a boost controller and they will dip into the 12's. As far as a stock evo with intake and exhaust.....they lose power with the intake unless they add more boost, alot of the guys get pissed about it when they see it on the dyno a 12-15hp loss. Honestly just save yourself time and add a 100-125 shot and eat them up. __________________ New toys '07 F-150 black on black and completely blacked out! '96 Mitsu eclipse RS: 'jus your average 2nd gen with a small block 331c.i. and a few bolt-on goodies(175shot) and rwd...1st one to be done! SOLD 2004 GT Annv. edition. Custom Exhaust: o/r X pipe: Eibach Sportline full suspension: Clutchmasters stage 4 clutch: K&N filter: Steeda Tri-ax shifter: Mach 1 shift knob: BFG Drag radials: Compucar "nitrous-n-a-bag" 80-shot Stage I, Compucar Wet kit 125shot stage II

08-15-2006, 05:41 PM	#14 (permalink)
Blk02stang I 8urvtec!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Va Posts: 815	Some times..... __________________ New toys '07 F-150 black on black and completely blacked out! '96 Mitsu eclipse RS: 'jus your average 2nd gen with a small block 331c.i. and a few bolt-on goodies(175shot) and rwd...1st one to be done! SOLD 2004 GT Annv. edition. Custom Exhaust: o/r X pipe: Eibach Sportline full suspension: Clutchmasters stage 4 clutch: K&N filter: Steeda Tri-ax shifter: Mach 1 shift knob: BFG Drag radials: Compucar "nitrous-n-a-bag" 80-shot Stage I, Compucar Wet kit 125shot stage II

08-16-2006, 12:33 PM	#18 (permalink)
C6C6CH3vo Thats right, I drive rice Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SC Posts: 14	N/A no nitrous? With basic boltons including head work, somehow find about 600lbs of weight to shed and run a nitromethane W/M injection kit. Run optimal timing and tune the fuel to it. The Methanol wont give but 5 - 10 WHP but the kit will provide a way to feed the nitromethane fuel. Evo ricers vary greatly car to car from mods, skill, and year and just from looking you cant tell the difference in year - all four years they were equally as ugly, but here are typical times (average) to beat for stock evo: 03-04 VIII 14.0 05 VIII 13.9 06 IX 13.6 Since about 90% of these things are modded here's what to expect with a typical $2000 invested in evo, but with stock turbo: 03-04 VIII 12.2 05 VIII 12.2 06 IX 11.8 - 12.0 As far as SS z28, I don't know I dont drive one, but my friend runs 11.8 N/A stock motor (stock internals/head) Good luck What times are you running?

08-16-2006, 02:37 PM	#21 (permalink)
csledd DSG!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 3,074	I'd definately go full exhaust and all the bolt ons and cams too. I beat my friends stock T/A LS1 before I did cams __________________ CAP DSG Registry 2003 Mustang GT - daily driven check out my cardomain for more info 296 rwhp / 310 rwtq Money spent @ AM: $4623.20 1984 Mustang Hatch - low budget project

08-16-2006, 03:20 PM	#22 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,376	It really doesnt take much to beat a stock or slightly modded one. All this talk of full bolt ons and cams i dont really see a need for that, and my car is rather heavy with bullit wheels,leather,and the mach 1000. I mean just s a few bolt ons to help flow and gears and traction like nitto dr's, MT's etc.. and you can kill most from a dig no problem. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

08-16-2006, 04:19 PM	#23 (permalink)
Badfish Listen to reggae. Join Date: May 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 8,892	yeh i beat an 02 trans-am with an exhuast. i had gears, drag radials and some bolt ons __________________ '04 2.3l Evo '86 GSXR 750

08-16-2006, 04:33 PM	#24 (permalink)
kcast Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 104	put some nawwwzzzz on that beotch...lol! __________________ 2004 Redfire COBRA! #917 of 3,768 Mods Borla Stinger Catback UPR Catted X-pipe Steigy Blower/TB/Plenum Port SFPHQ 2.80 Upper LFP 100mm aux idler UPR Short throw Steeda CAI Spec III clutch (i think) Wideband A/F Lowered (dont know what springs) 507rwhp 497rwtq <--old numbers w/alot of belt slip Boost gauge/AFR gauge on A-pillar