New Headers
#1
08-12-2008, 06:59 PM
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Dorm in OH, Home in PA
Posts: 786
New Headers
i was just reading in the 4.6 section about how to remove and replace headers and it includes supporting the engine and removing the motor mounts is it that complicated with the 3.8. looking under the hood the biggest problem i see is the EGR
#2
08-12-2008, 07:20 PM
Well to be honest it's hard to do unless your arms are as thin as a wrench..
But that's about as hard as it gets with ours. I'm taking mine to a shop when I get them, cause I don't want the headache.
But that's about as hard as it gets with ours. I'm taking mine to a shop when I get them, cause I don't want the headache.
#3
09-01-2008, 03:48 AM
I did mine in three days...it was tough, but I did it myself instead of paying $500. All I did was jack up the car. I TOOK NOTHING APART!!!!
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS...i HAVE THE ANSWERS...mine is an '01.
Let me know....and by the way...it IS worth putting shorty headers on a V6...my car sounds much better, more torque, smoother accel, and looks great in the engine bay...especially when I tell ppl that I did the work!
Good luck!
p.s.
I got a small C-clamp to take off the EGR. It is not on that tight. Once I broke the initailly couple of turns with the C-clamp...the nut is big, so it is easy to turn with your fingers the rest of the way.
GO STEELERS!
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS...i HAVE THE ANSWERS...mine is an '01.
Let me know....and by the way...it IS worth putting shorty headers on a V6...my car sounds much better, more torque, smoother accel, and looks great in the engine bay...especially when I tell ppl that I did the work!
Good luck!
p.s.
I got a small C-clamp to take off the EGR. It is not on that tight. Once I broke the initailly couple of turns with the C-clamp...the nut is big, so it is easy to turn with your fingers the rest of the way.
GO STEELERS!
Last edited by susheelover; 09-01-2008 at 03:51 AM.
#4
09-01-2008, 10:19 AM
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Dorm in OH, Home in PA
Posts: 786
Thnx sushee, still haven't got the cash together yet but hopefully will soon. im probably gonna do it myself and i think im gonna go with long tubes. You seem pretty confident so if i come in to any problems ill hit you up with a pm or something. Oh im loving the Pittsburgh pride PITTSBURGHS GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL... i hope 
#5
09-01-2008, 07:48 PM
Yeah, good let me know...I definitelly have pointers and a few things that I would do differently.
#6
09-02-2008, 07:15 AM
I did mine in three days...it was tough, but I did it myself instead of paying $500. All I did was jack up the car. I TOOK NOTHING APART!!!!
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS...i HAVE THE ANSWERS...mine is an '01.
Let me know....and by the way...it IS worth putting shorty headers on a V6...my car sounds much better, more torque, smoother accel, and looks great in the engine bay...especially when I tell ppl that I did the work!
Good luck!
p.s.
I got a small C-clamp to take off the EGR. It is not on that tight. Once I broke the initailly couple of turns with the C-clamp...the nut is big, so it is easy to turn with your fingers the rest of the way.
GO STEELERS!
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS...i HAVE THE ANSWERS...mine is an '01.
Let me know....and by the way...it IS worth putting shorty headers on a V6...my car sounds much better, more torque, smoother accel, and looks great in the engine bay...especially when I tell ppl that I did the work!
Good luck!
p.s.
I got a small C-clamp to take off the EGR. It is not on that tight. Once I broke the initailly couple of turns with the C-clamp...the nut is big, so it is easy to turn with your fingers the rest of the way.
GO STEELERS!
#8
09-03-2008, 12:23 AM
Says the man who still identifies with cartoons
tornado fuel saver adds 50 miles per tankfull thank you very much!
I love ppl who only talk without doing their research first....lol
Stop watching cartoons and try opening your mind instead of your mouth...a true sign of a wise man....
I have had my car since 2003, and I have put about 60K miles on it.......I know its performance very very well......it is faster with shorty headers on it....no sense in argueing the point anymore...I am not an idiot...I am actually a motorcycle mechanic too.....bought my Suzuki from a guy cheap cuz the shop could not get it to run....then I got my hands on it!!
I have put about 24K on the Suzuki since then and it runs like a sewing machine....gotta love it....I also built the computer that I am using from scratch.
I live in Atlanta, GA...drove to Gainesville, Fl @ 70mph +/-.....(that's I-75 for those of you that don't live on teh east coast).I had to stop right over the border to gas up as my fuel light came on...after installing the TFS, I could now drive under the same conditions and reach Gainesville, Florida without having to stop for gas. I have driven that route about 10 times...so maybe one of you could do the miles and the math....and then ask informed questions...maybe instead of offering uninformed opions.
As a matter of fact...I didn't have to gas up untill the next day after driving around the city at night.......I will be waiting for anyone to come with proof that the TFS doesn't work. I am sure I will only hear opinons.....by the way...I am laughing last....lol bcuz I know I am right..!
gas is expensive where I live..maybe it is cheap where you live and you can afford to waste it....
p.s. TFS has a 100% money back guarantee...so if it didn't do anything.... believe me @ $60 a pop...I would have brought it back!!!
tornado fuel saver adds 50 miles per tankfull thank you very much!
I love ppl who only talk without doing their research first....lol
Stop watching cartoons and try opening your mind instead of your mouth...a true sign of a wise man....
I have had my car since 2003, and I have put about 60K miles on it.......I know its performance very very well......it is faster with shorty headers on it....no sense in argueing the point anymore...I am not an idiot...I am actually a motorcycle mechanic too.....bought my Suzuki from a guy cheap cuz the shop could not get it to run....then I got my hands on it!!
I have put about 24K on the Suzuki since then and it runs like a sewing machine....gotta love it....I also built the computer that I am using from scratch.
I live in Atlanta, GA...drove to Gainesville, Fl @ 70mph +/-.....(that's I-75 for those of you that don't live on teh east coast).I had to stop right over the border to gas up as my fuel light came on...after installing the TFS, I could now drive under the same conditions and reach Gainesville, Florida without having to stop for gas. I have driven that route about 10 times...so maybe one of you could do the miles and the math....and then ask informed questions...maybe instead of offering uninformed opions.
As a matter of fact...I didn't have to gas up untill the next day after driving around the city at night.......I will be waiting for anyone to come with proof that the TFS doesn't work. I am sure I will only hear opinons.....by the way...I am laughing last....lol bcuz I know I am right..!
gas is expensive where I live..maybe it is cheap where you live and you can afford to waste it....p.s. TFS has a 100% money back guarantee...so if it didn't do anything.... believe me @ $60 a pop...I would have brought it back!!!
Last edited by susheelover; 09-03-2008 at 01:58 AM.
#9
09-03-2008, 01:10 AM
I felt the power increase because I put on BBK shorty headers!
Eu senti o aumento do poder por causa dos BBK shorty headers!
J'ai senti la augmentation de puissance par ce que les BBK shorty headers!
okay...that´s English, Portuguese and French...yes I am a polyglot and I travel the world.....I can communicate on a professional level with citizens of about 45 random countries and all continents. ...but here on these forums...I can't seem to communicate that shorty headers are worth it and increase power on a 3.8. I can do Spanish and Italian...if you still don't understand...let me know....if I could just reach one person, I would be happy...
Yeah, I knew I was going to do it myself when the NAPA guy told me how much it cost for him to do it.You should have seen the look on his face when I nonchalantly said that I would just do it myself...priceless!
Last edited by susheelover; 09-03-2008 at 01:51 AM.
#10
09-03-2008, 07:47 AM
What I am saying is that you only felt a power increase when you put those on is because your stock manifolds were cracked and leaking and causing a power loss. The new headers fixed that leak and that's why it felt faster. Its been dyno proven the 3.8 gains almost nothing with shorties on a n/a mild motor.
#11
09-03-2008, 08:22 AM
50 miles per tank can be seen by switching gas stations.
It's a fake a does not work deal with it.
don't mistake wallet weight reduction for an increase in power
no one cares if you work on motorcycles.
and I don't recall asking you any question I don't think you know anything
and you bought it for $60 you could have had it for 5 off ebay
It's a fake a does not work deal with it.
don't mistake wallet weight reduction for an increase in power
no one cares if you work on motorcycles.
and I don't recall asking you any question I don't think you know anything
and you bought it for $60 you could have had it for 5 off ebay
Last edited by Lazerred6; 09-03-2008 at 08:32 AM.
#12
09-03-2008, 08:37 AM
http://www.aardvark.co.nz/fuelsaverscams.shtml
here I won't make you read the whole thing
Intake turbulators
By placing a magically shaped piece of metal in the intake system of your car's engine, you can use the powerful force of a tornado to improve your fuel mileage.
Sorry but wrong again.
These devices simply create an extra choking effect in your vehicle's air intake system and that's been proven to actually *reduce* fuel efficiency, sometimes quite dramatically.
The fact is that the mix of air and fuel entering your car's engine is already extremely turbulent by the time it is ignited. Trying to add extra turbulence achieves absolutely nothing except making it harder for your engine to breathe.
And yes, scientific tests have proven that they simply don't work.
These intake turbulators are marketed under many names but perhaps the most well-known (and reviled) is the Tornado.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c...-904/overview/
TornadoFuelSaver
The Tornado ($49.95 with shipping) is a similar device made of stainless steel with thin metal blades. Versions are sold for both carburated and fuel-injected engines. It is installed in the air inlet hose between the throttle body and the air filter. This is the same product we tested for a July 1999 report, when we said it didn't improve power or gas mileages in two test vehicles.
We installed the fuel injector type in a Ford Ranger pickup truck and a Volkswagen New Beetle. We ran our standard acceleration and fuel economy tests with and without the Tornado installed. The Ranger saw no improvement in acceleration, while the New Beetle saw slightly worse performance. Neither vehicle showed an improvement in fuel economy. Although we didn't re-test the TornadoFuelSaver, we examined a sample and it appears identical to the previously tested Tornado device and we expect its performance would be the same.
false
You may want to get on that but since it's a scam good luck
the lesson you have to learn is that............... Your opinions aren't facts.
and Vegeta ******* rocks
here I won't make you read the whole thing
Intake turbulators
By placing a magically shaped piece of metal in the intake system of your car's engine, you can use the powerful force of a tornado to improve your fuel mileage.
Sorry but wrong again.
These devices simply create an extra choking effect in your vehicle's air intake system and that's been proven to actually *reduce* fuel efficiency, sometimes quite dramatically.
The fact is that the mix of air and fuel entering your car's engine is already extremely turbulent by the time it is ignited. Trying to add extra turbulence achieves absolutely nothing except making it harder for your engine to breathe.
And yes, scientific tests have proven that they simply don't work.
These intake turbulators are marketed under many names but perhaps the most well-known (and reviled) is the Tornado.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c...-904/overview/
TornadoFuelSaver
The Tornado ($49.95 with shipping) is a similar device made of stainless steel with thin metal blades. Versions are sold for both carburated and fuel-injected engines. It is installed in the air inlet hose between the throttle body and the air filter. This is the same product we tested for a July 1999 report, when we said it didn't improve power or gas mileages in two test vehicles.
We installed the fuel injector type in a Ford Ranger pickup truck and a Volkswagen New Beetle. We ran our standard acceleration and fuel economy tests with and without the Tornado installed. The Ranger saw no improvement in acceleration, while the New Beetle saw slightly worse performance. Neither vehicle showed an improvement in fuel economy. Although we didn't re-test the TornadoFuelSaver, we examined a sample and it appears identical to the previously tested Tornado device and we expect its performance would be the same.
the lesson you have to learn is that............... Your opinions aren't facts.
and Vegeta ******* rocks
Last edited by Lazerred6; 09-03-2008 at 11:21 AM.
#15
09-03-2008, 06:50 PM
and Vegeta ******* rocks
I'm done with this thread...and I will also ignore my right wheel peeling out all the time since I put the headers on. I guess you can also prove to me that this is also in my imagination too? All I can do is report what I am seeing.
Last edited by susheelover; 09-03-2008 at 07:06 PM.
#16
09-03-2008, 07:01 PM
Your website said nothing about a 2001 3.8 Mustang with a TFS!!!! I don't own a Ford Ranger...or a VW..get it?! No true scientist is going to base facts on only two examples!!! You must repeat many times with different cars, if you want to say definitively that it does not work for ALL CARS! Until you try it yourself....don't be afraid!!! $$ back guarantee, your websites and reports mean nothing, sorry. I did the research myself!!!!!!! I drove hundreds of miles with it. Can you explain why I went farther with it in a 2001 3.8 Mustang..then I took it out and could not go as far on the same gas????
My friend...I am not giving opinions....but my own research that I did myself.....how is that an opinion?
My friend...I am not giving opinions....but my own research that I did myself.....how is that an opinion?
http://www.aardvark.co.nz/fuelsaverscams.shtml
here I won't make you read the whole thing
Intake turbulators
By placing a magically shaped piece of metal in the intake system of your car's engine, you can use the powerful force of a tornado to improve your fuel mileage.
Sorry but wrong again.
These devices simply create an extra choking effect in your vehicle's air intake system and that's been proven to actually *reduce* fuel efficiency, sometimes quite dramatically.
The fact is that the mix of air and fuel entering your car's engine is already extremely turbulent by the time it is ignited. Trying to add extra turbulence achieves absolutely nothing except making it harder for your engine to breathe.
And yes, scientific tests have proven that they simply don't work.
These intake turbulators are marketed under many names but perhaps the most well-known (and reviled) is the Tornado.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c...-904/overview/
TornadoFuelSaver
The Tornado ($49.95 with shipping) is a similar device made of stainless steel with thin metal blades. Versions are sold for both carburated and fuel-injected engines. It is installed in the air inlet hose between the throttle body and the air filter. This is the same product we tested for a July 1999 report, when we said it didn't improve power or gas mileages in two test vehicles.
We installed the fuel injector type in a Ford Ranger pickup truck and a Volkswagen New Beetle. We ran our standard acceleration and fuel economy tests with and without the Tornado installed. The Ranger saw no improvement in acceleration, while the New Beetle saw slightly worse performance. Neither vehicle showed an improvement in fuel economy. Although we didn't re-test the TornadoFuelSaver, we examined a sample and it appears identical to the previously tested Tornado device and we expect its performance would be the same.
false
You may want to get on that but since it's a scam good luck
the lesson you have to learn is that............... Your opinions aren't facts.
and Vegeta ******* rocks
here I won't make you read the whole thing
Intake turbulators
By placing a magically shaped piece of metal in the intake system of your car's engine, you can use the powerful force of a tornado to improve your fuel mileage.
Sorry but wrong again.
These devices simply create an extra choking effect in your vehicle's air intake system and that's been proven to actually *reduce* fuel efficiency, sometimes quite dramatically.
The fact is that the mix of air and fuel entering your car's engine is already extremely turbulent by the time it is ignited. Trying to add extra turbulence achieves absolutely nothing except making it harder for your engine to breathe.
And yes, scientific tests have proven that they simply don't work.
These intake turbulators are marketed under many names but perhaps the most well-known (and reviled) is the Tornado.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c...-904/overview/
TornadoFuelSaver
The Tornado ($49.95 with shipping) is a similar device made of stainless steel with thin metal blades. Versions are sold for both carburated and fuel-injected engines. It is installed in the air inlet hose between the throttle body and the air filter. This is the same product we tested for a July 1999 report, when we said it didn't improve power or gas mileages in two test vehicles.
We installed the fuel injector type in a Ford Ranger pickup truck and a Volkswagen New Beetle. We ran our standard acceleration and fuel economy tests with and without the Tornado installed. The Ranger saw no improvement in acceleration, while the New Beetle saw slightly worse performance. Neither vehicle showed an improvement in fuel economy. Although we didn't re-test the TornadoFuelSaver, we examined a sample and it appears identical to the previously tested Tornado device and we expect its performance would be the same.
false
You may want to get on that but since it's a scam good luck
the lesson you have to learn is that............... Your opinions aren't facts.
and Vegeta ******* rocks
Last edited by susheelover; 09-03-2008 at 07:44 PM.
#17
09-03-2008, 07:16 PM
I do recall you entering the post....so don't get upset if I comment....free country and all....Like I said do the reasearch yourself..then comment...it is called the scientific method.....you take all your variables: gas, tire pressure, weather, speed etc. Then you make them as constant as possible: go to the same gas station, drive the same speed, etc. Then you repeat as many times as you can or need to. You have only opinons of others......show me the DATA from a Mustang with one of these...and I WILL LAUGH. As I said...I have done my research.
#19
09-03-2008, 08:22 PM
I don't need someone elses opinion to back me up to feel more confident. My research is real....where is your research with the 3.8 Mustang? Show me your reasearch and take into account that I have a CAI and I put mine in a different place than was recommended. These are called variables....in order for you to state that it does not work you would have to do the same experiment with the same type of car, with the same aftermarket add-ons. Data from a completely different car-maker means nothing in this situation. I hope you see what I am saying. Look up "scientific method", and I think you will at least understand what I am trying to get you to do......... YOUR OWN RESEARCH!!!
Why rely on someone else...do it for yourself. You are obviously intelligent enough to do it! What are you afraid of?? When it does not work you can send it back..get your money.....then come here and rail on me and tell me I am......(fill in the blanks)..Wouldn't you love to show me how wrong I am? So far nothing you have showed me deals with a2001 3.8 Mustang.
You also need to look up the word "opinion"...I don't think it means what you think it means.
Last edited by susheelover; 09-03-2008 at 11:14 PM.
#20
09-04-2008, 12:10 AM
Really won't be much of a difference between the headers on a N/A engine..
Longtubes give you a louder shitty sound..
Shorties give you a quieter shitty sound..
And, that fuel increase may be from replacing that cracked header..
And no, new headers don't give you a performance increase, or much of a sound increase, the only reason why your car sounds better is because you fixed the leak, and that is also why your car runs better..
That one wheel burning isn't hard to do, exhaust leak or not..
Oh ya, a CAI doesn't do anything either, same with a TB, or a TB Spacer.. no matter where you put it =)
The gains from headers aren't significant, and imo, aren't worth the money, i'd save it and invest it in something that will actually help you out..
Longtubes give you a louder shitty sound..
Shorties give you a quieter shitty sound..
And, that fuel increase may be from replacing that cracked header..
And no, new headers don't give you a performance increase, or much of a sound increase, the only reason why your car sounds better is because you fixed the leak, and that is also why your car runs better..
That one wheel burning isn't hard to do, exhaust leak or not..
Oh ya, a CAI doesn't do anything either, same with a TB, or a TB Spacer.. no matter where you put it =)
The gains from headers aren't significant, and imo, aren't worth the money, i'd save it and invest it in something that will actually help you out..
#21
09-04-2008, 06:07 AM
http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/t31479/
Junk Tier
---------
Tornado Fuel saver
Thoughts: Increases horsepower and fuel 15%, don't we all wish. Unless your just itching to spend money and you
can't find anything to spent it on grab one of these. They make great paper weights, and if your mad you can
throw them at something.
so you work on motorcycles and you work at cartoon network (hey did you know that people lie on the internet.)
by the way I'm 21 and happily married
Now i've given you more than enough proof that they don't work but you continue to choose not to listen I've found tons of articles about on how it's a scam and how according to physics it can't work but i'm not going to post them because I'm giving up on you. Ignorance is bliss and I don't want to make you think you spent you money on a scam.
I just want you to know you entertained me at first but now you have become a dissapointment so i will say farewell to you ..... Oh one other thing I have some ocean front property in Idaho I'll sell you.
one last thing research has to be documented and repeatable for it to be counted as such. If you do have proof follow the proper scientific method (not your hobo version) tell the tornado people you are doing to they might even pay you then you can reference yourself and people might pay attention. You haven't shown any proof that it works you have given your word but unfortunatlly no ones word means anything on the internet you have the burden of proof at this point cause untill you show some i have shown that it has been disproven on many different vehicles you have proven nothing because you can't be trusted.
Junk Tier
---------
Tornado Fuel saver
Thoughts: Increases horsepower and fuel 15%, don't we all wish. Unless your just itching to spend money and you
can't find anything to spent it on grab one of these. They make great paper weights, and if your mad you can
throw them at something.
so you work on motorcycles and you work at cartoon network (hey did you know that people lie on the internet.)
by the way I'm 21 and happily married
Now i've given you more than enough proof that they don't work but you continue to choose not to listen I've found tons of articles about on how it's a scam and how according to physics it can't work but i'm not going to post them because I'm giving up on you. Ignorance is bliss and I don't want to make you think you spent you money on a scam.
I just want you to know you entertained me at first but now you have become a dissapointment so i will say farewell to you ..... Oh one other thing I have some ocean front property in Idaho I'll sell you.
one last thing research has to be documented and repeatable for it to be counted as such. If you do have proof follow the proper scientific method (not your hobo version) tell the tornado people you are doing to they might even pay you then you can reference yourself and people might pay attention. You haven't shown any proof that it works you have given your word but unfortunatlly no ones word means anything on the internet you have the burden of proof at this point cause untill you show some i have shown that it has been disproven on many different vehicles you have proven nothing because you can't be trusted.
#23
09-04-2008, 06:59 AM
Guys keep the bullshit down. You are all here because you love mustangs and want to go faster etc.. If someone doesn't want to take our advice that's fine its how the world works.
#24
09-07-2008, 04:01 AM
I apologize to everyone...even my friend up in Michigan. Sorry, if I got sarcastic. I have heard good and bad about it. Some reviews are good, others are not....
http://www.infomercialratings.com/pr...l_saver_review
I will not post on this subject until I get PROOF on a dyno....if I am wrong...I have no problem admitting it. I am like Mulder...I just want to know the truth...and I know it's out there. I just don't put too much faith into hearsay and accepted beliefs. I am stubborn that way I guess. Seems like it works in some cars and not in others. Why would so many people just lie?
This is my last post on here about this...no need to respond.
http://www.infomercialratings.com/pr...l_saver_review
I will not post on this subject until I get PROOF on a dyno....if I am wrong...I have no problem admitting it. I am like Mulder...I just want to know the truth...and I know it's out there. I just don't put too much faith into hearsay and accepted beliefs. I am stubborn that way I guess. Seems like it works in some cars and not in others. Why would so many people just lie?
This is my last post on here about this...no need to respond.
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