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Old 11-15-2006 | 10:03 PM
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so how do you change the gear ratio or is it just easier to take it to the shop
 
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Old 11-15-2006 | 10:09 PM
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u should take it to a shop if you dont know how to do it. Its a lot of work IMO
 
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Old 11-15-2006 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sugnyte69
so how do you change the gear ratio or is it just easier to take it to the shop
You have to buy 4.10 gears ($150) + a Traction lock ( not sure on a V6 but they can run anywhere from $150 to $300; this is necessary for a V6 because V6's are only one wheel drive, a T-lock puts the power to both wheels.)

Then you need the gear oil (break in and final oil ~$80) + installation of all this (anywhere from $150 to $400) + a speedcal ($100) to recalibrate your speedo (gear ratio changes throw your speedo off)

Gear installs can't be done by the average garage mechanic. Shimming the gears and making all the tolerances just right is way too complicated, so don't try to do it yourself.

It sounds like alot but it only cost me $550 after it was all said and done(v8's already have a T-lock so there was no need to purchase one). For you since you have a V6, you will probably be more around the $800 range. If your figure the price of headers + install ($400-$500 for headers + $300-$400installation) you are still around $800. Gears are just alot more bang for your buck. 4.10's typically take anywhere from .3 sec to .5 sec off your quarter mile.
 
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Old 11-15-2006 | 10:20 PM
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oh yeah i forgot here is a great deal for what your looking for minus instal. oh i cant find it but on americanmuscle.com they have a deal where u get the 4.10 gears, royal purple gear oil and a choice of the sct or diablo tunners for 500 something. sorry i cant find the link but u should check it out.
 
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Old 11-15-2006 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheddarbob
oh yeah i forgot here is a great deal for what your looking for minus instal. oh i cant find it but on americanmuscle.com they have a deal where u get the 4.10 gears, royal purple gear oil and a choice of the sct or diablo tunners for 500 something. sorry i cant find the link but u should check it out.
That deal is only for Mustangs with an 8.8 inch rear end (GT's). V6's have a 7.5 inch rear. The gears are too big. You dont need a tuner either if you are just planning on using it to recalibrate your speedo. A Speedcal is much cheaper.
 
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Old 11-15-2006 | 10:33 PM
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yeah your right i just found it to bad it would have been a good deal
 
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Old 11-15-2006 | 11:08 PM
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Break in oil?


Anyways if you have an auto remmber a speedcal will not work and you will need a tuner or chip.

Things you'll need
1. T-lok
2. 4.10 gears
3. Gear oil (synthetic or regualr doesn't really matter all that much)
4. Friction modifier (buy it from your ford dealer do not open it! it smells like cat **** LOL but is very important.)
 
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Old 11-15-2006 | 11:11 PM
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Break in oil?



Yes, in order to PROPERLY break in gears, you must change the oil after 500-1000 miles. The heat created from the new gears can change the chemical makeup of the oil and cause it to lose it lubricating properties. Small metal flake also come off as the gears make their wear pattern.

You dont have to do this, but it was reccommended by many that I spoke with.
 
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Old 11-15-2006 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by eventer289
Yes, in order to PROPERLY break in gears, you must change the oil after 500-1000 miles. The heat created from the new gears can change the chemical makeup of the oil and cause it to lose it lubricating properties. Small metal flake also come off as the gears make their wear pattern.

You dont have to do this, but it was reccommended by many that I spoke with.


Well the many you have spoken with are wrong
 
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Old 11-15-2006 | 11:44 PM
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Well the many you have spoken with are wrong
This coming from the guy that stayed on his motor even though it kept pinging all the way down the track during a 100 shot?



Trust me, I did LOTS of research before I installed my gears. There were many people on multiple boards (mustangforums.com, yellow mustang registgry, corral.net, etc) who changed their oil after a certain time peroid. Think about it. When you get a new engine you change the break in oil after a 1,000 miles or so. Whenever there are new moving steel parts that grind against each other they are going to make a wear pattern. The grind away the steel which makes small metal particles which can interfere with the oil's ability to lubricate. By changing the oil you are getting rid of these particles and replacing the oil with new, clean oil.
 
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Old 11-16-2006 | 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by eventer289
This coming from the guy that stayed on his motor even though it kept pinging all the way down the track during a 100 shot?



Trust me, I did LOTS of research before I installed my gears. There were many people on multiple boards (mustangforums.com, yellow mustang registgry, corral.net, etc) who changed their oil after a certain time peroid. Think about it. When you get a new engine you change the break in oil after a 1,000 miles or so. Whenever there are new moving steel parts that grind against each other they are going to make a wear pattern. The grind away the steel which makes small metal particles which can interfere with the oil's ability to lubricate. By changing the oil you are getting rid of these particles and replacing the oil with new, clean oil.

Yup sure did and it held up and ran a decent time too.

And I'll tell you right now why you and others are very wrong.
Here comes a list I'm too lazy to use full sentence structure etc. LOL
1. There is no break in period for gears. None, zero, ziltch, that is a myth.
2. Heat affecting the oils lubricating abilities? LOL. That what oil is all about just because it gets hot doesn't mean it'll effect it any differently then driving your car after it's been sitting all night.
3. Properly installed gears do not shave off metal not to an extent that would require a oil change.

Just think critically and you'll realize not everything you hear is right or makes sence

And going after a person with past indiscretions is very bad taste
 
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Old 11-16-2006 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by cuban3jumper
Yup sure did and it held up and ran a decent time too.

And I'll tell you right now why you and others are very wrong.
Here comes a list I'm too lazy to use full sentence structure etc. LOL
1. There is no break in period for gears. None, zero, ziltch, that is a myth.
2. Heat affecting the oils lubricating abilities? LOL. That what oil is all about just because it gets hot doesn't mean it'll effect it any differently then driving your car after it's been sitting all night.
3. Properly installed gears do not shave off metal not to an extent that would require a oil change.

Just think critically and you'll realize not everything you hear is right or makes sence

And going after a person with past indiscretions is very bad taste
I was only stating that because if you are such an authority on mechanical things, why would you stay on your car if it is continually pinging?

Taken Directly from Richmond Gear's website...
BREAK IN
A new ring and pinion installation, especially a high
numeric ratio with new bearings, can cause an excessive
heat buildup in the rear end and cause softening of the
gear teeth and bearings if a break in is not performed.
Street vehicles should be driven at normal street driving
speed for approximately 10 miles, then stop and let cool for
30 minutes. Do this 2 to 3 times. Towing vehicles need
approximately 200 to 300 miles of normal street driving
before being used for towing.
On circle track race cars make approximately 6 to 8 laps at
slow speed, then let cool for 30 minutes. Make 6 to 8 more
laps at slow speed, then 2 to 3 laps at full speed, then let
cool again for 30 minutes.
Drag cars need only an initial run-in since they are driven
short distances and heat is not normally a problem with
proper lube and backlash allowance.
NOTE: If after the above break in is performed, overheating
of the rear end is suspected, repeat the final portion of the
break in procedures.
I guess the manufacturers don't know what they're talking about either.
 
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Old 11-16-2006 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by eventer289
I was only stating that because if you are such an authority on mechanical things, why would you stay on your car if it is continually pinging?

Taken Directly from Richmond Gear's website...


I guess the manufacturers don't know what they're talking about either.


No they don't. There is no break in period for gears. Period. But do what you like. Break in oil is not needed. That is a fact.

And where in there does it say to change the oil? It doesn't...
 
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Old 11-16-2006 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cuban3jumper
Anyways if you have an auto remmber a speedcal will not work and you will need a tuner or chip.
i don't think a speedcal works on a 99+ does it?

edit:
i stand corrected, i just looked at american muscle and read it does work....
 
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Old 11-16-2006 | 06:47 PM
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i don't think a speedcal works on a 99+ does it?

edit:
i stand corrected, i just looked at american muscle and read it does work....


Yea it does on the manuals but not the auto's.
 
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Old 11-16-2006 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cuban3jumper
No they don't. There is no break in period for gears. Period. But do what you like. Break in oil is not needed. That is a fact.

And where in there does it say to change the oil? It doesn't...

O well. It doesnt really matter. Poeple choose to care for their cars in different ways. To each his own.
 
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Old 11-16-2006 | 08:38 PM
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im sorry but i have to agree with cuban that you dont have to break in your gears as long as your gears arent whining they are ok
 
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Old 11-20-2006 | 07:12 PM
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why is it that all of a sudden, im heariung about this t-lok is needed, and i thought tht 8.8 gears fit on a v6.

this is really dissapointing, i was literally just about to order that kit of MT in 5 minutes
 
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Old 11-20-2006 | 07:21 PM
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why is it that all of a sudden, im heariung about this t-lok is needed, and i thought tht 8.8 gears fit on a v6.

this is really dissapointing, i was literally just about to order that kit of MT in 5 minutes
your V6 has a 7.5 rear end, not an 8.8, thus 8.8 gears don't fit.

Next you don't need to install a t-lock, but if you are already paying the mechanic to install your gears for around $200~ then you might as well have him install a t-lock for a small additional cost. Plus what is the point of installing gears, which help you accelerate faster, to still do a one legged burnout ,

so moral of the story get the gears with the t-lock, or you will be kicking yourself forever.
 
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Old 11-20-2006 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bwesky
why is it that all of a sudden, im heariung about this t-lok is needed, and i thought tht 8.8 gears fit on a v6.

this is really dissapointing, i was literally just about to order that kit of MT in 5 minutes

Haha, jeez. Thats why its important to do your research. At least you caught it it time. A T-lock puts the power to both your wheels. V6's do not have a T-lock and only have a 7.5 inch rear. The gears you were about to buy do not fit. Thankfully you caught it.
 
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Old 11-20-2006 | 09:28 PM
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look on the gear vendors site. Many of them have warnings saying you need to properly heat cycle them (break them in). On th einternet once people start to belive one thing its all they belive in. Kinda like the crazy NX is the best kit out there and the X-pipe rules your mother crazy crap.

Just look on the site of the company your buying gears from or call them and ask. Motive wants you to, and so does richmond...
 




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