I just ordered H&R super sports, by accident. I thought they were H&R sports. Are they going to be too low on my vert? Will my wheels scrape my wheel wells (17" rims). I'm a little worried, I must say, but I'm sure they will look damn good.

 

I've been reading a bunch of threads on springs and I'm starting to panic now. Alignment issues, having to replace shocks, struts, caster camber plates, etc. I really don't want to do any of this, am I best off canceling the supersports and getting sports elsewhere? (I don't think MT has sports)

 

I have the supersports and i think its the perfect drop, and the replacing shocks and crap thats going to happen no matter how much u lower it because lowering it puts more strain on the suspension which will wear stuff out quicker..

 

yeah there maybe an issue with having to much negitive camber. This means the top of your wheels are leaning to far in. Caster/camber plates will fix this problem. As far as shocks you dont have to replace them, but like the post before me said it wont be long before they wear out.

 

I ordered them from AmericanMuscle.com

 

I just did the H&R SS's and am waiting on installing my Maximum Motorsports caster / camber plates. You will need new caster / camber plates because you'll need the extra degrees to properly align your wheels. You won't need new struts / shocks.

 

I think I'm going to keep them and order some C/C plates. How long will my stock shocks/struts last?

 

Contact Maximum Motorsports. They're extremely helpful with any questions you might have. I was impressed with them. They're the experts, you'll get a million different answers elsewhere.

 

there's no telling how long your stockers will last wtih the new springs. That's not the issue... the issue is that the stockers weren't designed to dampen those much more aggressive spring rates and not from that low in the compression stroke. Your car will not handle to its potential and will probably be a little twitchy at the limit without the improved dampers. I'd probably suggest either bilsteins (I use and LOVE them) or Tokico Illuminas. And CC plates as soon as you can.

 

I canceled them and ordered Sports from a different site. Should I still be thinking about new shocks and struts down the line? I don't need C/C plates ever with these, right?

 

Yes you should still be looking for shocks/struts and sooner rather than later if you can. 79-93 struts and 99-04 shocks. Tokico HP or Illumina or Bilsteins.

I would not agree with that statement about plates. CC plates are a way to improve a bad situation... how bad you let it get is up to you. I think a car is not lowered correctly until the CC plates are on it. Too many attempts to do it without has lead me to the firm belief that you just can't get the alignment to stick in a good spot without them.

 

hmmmm... I've been thinking seriously about ordering some H&R Sports but after reading this I'm not sure I wanna mess with it. I think they look sick lowered but sounds like a lot of other things to worry about.

 

I had H&R Sport's on my GT and had no problem's at all.

 

stick with sports and it's no problem. you'll get more benefit from adding the nice to have bits like cc plates and such but just do the lowering and enjoy it. It's important that you understand that you're changing it and re-learn the handling characteristics but that's the only real caution you should be worrying about.

Get some H&R sports, save up for some tokico hp's or a take-off set of bullit or mach 1 shocks and struts and go nuts. Enjoy the car... don't be afraid of it.

 

Thanks a lot guys. I really appreciate the help. That pic that Lances02SVT posted is exactly how I pictured my car to look lowered. To me that looks perfect.

 

You "Had" HR Sports... What do you have now?
ANd those are some pretty bad *** looking wheels and tires.
What kinds and size are they? I like the deep offset look in the rear.

I'm still tossing up between ordering HR sport or Super Sport? Anybody with testimonials on their experiences with both? I just want to make sure if I get the sports I am not sorry I didn't drop a bit more like with the Super Sports despite them having a higher spring rate.. Also wondering how the Sports handle in mountain roads and under more severe cornering? Also if I went with the super sports would the bilstein HD dampning be sufficient?

Also any recommendations on rear LCA's I was leaning toward the MMRLCA-5 which comes with perch and swaybar mount. Are these overkill for a stock car that is not being raced? I want to get the nice drop and corner good.
If this was a good choice, would the adjustable ones be a better choice for the money?

 

Lance sold his GT to buy a Cobra. I'm running H&R sports on the Mach and am pretty happy with them.

 

Your wheels on your yellow mach are 18's right? I have 17's on my GT.
I'm just worried that the Sports may not provide enough drop. Do they handle well in extreme cornering conditions for you?

 

The rear rims are 18x10 and the front rims are 17x9. I wanted a lil bit of a raked look with the Mach. As for the cornering, the H&R Sport springs work just fine. Cornering for me is more of a matter of tire selection. I ran with GY GSD3s for a couple of years and I can't say enough how badass those tires are when it comes to handling dry/wet roads and cornering. A friend talked me into getting BFG KDW2s and it was like night and day. Corners I was previously taking at 60mph, I had to slow down to 45 mph because I'd loose traction on the rear and it would put me into some serious oversteer. In wet conditions, I drive like I have DRs on the back. I'm really dissappointed in the KDW2s and I can't wait to get them off of my car.

 

jeebus... people really gotta start reading the informational stickies.

You don't choose springs because other people have them. you choose them because the spring rate and size matches your need.

Please save us all the hassle of trying to convince you of any actual correct way to do things and call Maximum Motorsports. Tell them you are ride quality sensitive and you'd like a nice lowering setup with rear control arms and caster camber plates. They'll give you a perfect setup. I could do the same thing but i did... in the sticky.

 

Hellos R3D,

I was waiting for you to blow.. I know I have been a pain asking all these questions. I actually did read the stickies, and have been reading everyones comments as well as yours. I've been taking in all this information so that I can get peoples reactions to how they feel with the various springs on their cars with their setups... As for my need, that is the problem. I really don't have a specific need, or am trying to determine what need would fit my situation the best. This may sound funny, but my car really isn't a Daily Driver. My car doesn't get driven much. It is a 2000GT with 6000 miles on it and is garaged all the time. I wanted to lower it ideally to get rid of the 4x4 look and get the nice stance.. I was then disappointed to find that by going as low as I wanted I would be stuck with dealing with a lot of things that would make this unbearable. I continued messaging to try to find a happy medium. As much as I wanted to go low, I was told most were not happy, including the comments from you advising me against it. But one persons opinion may not be the same as others so that is why I continued asking others. I think I have finally made up my mind to go with the HR Sport Springs now.

Now I have a new obstacle though... I had considered getting a set of lower rear control arms since I would have everything apart and could just toss them in at the same time. But now I read something where it was important to get adjustable LCA's to eliminate the changing angle of the pinion as a result of lowering the car.. Do you know anything about this? Is this something that is necessary? It sucks when you think you are doing your going the extra mile by adding a vital component and then find that to do this you have to spend even more money and add more parts to make it right. Hell many don't replace the LCAs at all.

This is why I ask a lot of questions and get others opinions.. If I could made a lot of wrong choices and bought parts that I would regret. After all for someone like myself that knows nothing about suspensions as with many that do these projects themselves, it can be a very expensive mistake if you make the wrong decision. And by not knowing all you can do is probe others for their opinions to formulate your own. I did call MM as well and they too have their own opinion. Theirs is different than yours and others here. That made it even harder. They were recommending the HR Race springs to me. I figured if that was the case, why not go with the HR Super Sports since the spring rate was almost identical.. Again that compelled me to ask more questions too. Just kidding.

 

For your case, you want look. Look would best be served with regular sport springs and any of the shocks I've lined out.

Don't worry about pinion angle on LCA's. Just get a set of plain ol' straight MM arms with spring perches. Adjustables are nice but not needed. They can help get your ride height dialed in in the back.

If you're going to do the RLCA's then slap a PHB on it and you're basically done. It'll never handle much better without major work and it'll feel solid.

Parts list: H&R sport or super sport, Bilstein HD's (fox body fronts), MM CC plates, MM RLCA's with adj. spring perch or without, MM PHB.

Honestly for as little as you drive it... you could just as well just lower it with sports and struts and be done with it... you don't need all the extra stuff. it's just nice to have.

I'd say fugg it and go basic. You're not racing or driving daily so it's not going to really matter. If you drove it more, then I'd spend the extra to make it more perfect. Just don't over think it. You know you want it lower, you know you're ride sensitive... keep it mild and inexpensive.

 

Heres one with my SSports with my stock wheels. Dude you gotta chill.....I drive my car about 4,000 miles a year so when I put my springs on I didnt get new shocks or struts and the car handles and rides fine, I couldnt believe how well it drove and handled with the stocks on, although the car only had like 10,000 miles on it when I put the SS on. Now it sits higher because I put the poly isos. on. Im thinking of selling my SS and getting some sportlines because I want to go lower.

 

Sweet that is about the stance I want.
What are ply isos? What size wheels and tire height do you have in the photo?
Do you have problems bottoming out? This is the kind of feedback I like to hear.
Cause you can't get a better idea than from someone who has the product.
If you think it handles good now, it must handle like a dream when you toss on some new shocks.

 

Alot of people replace the rubber isolators when changing springs to poly(plastic) isolators because over time the rubber starts to just rot and wither away (this takes awhile) also they say the poly isos make it handle a little better ( there stiffer) although I noticed no difference. But the poly isos dont mush down like the rubber ones and there a little thicker thus not giving you as much as a drop. ( when I stuck my polys in I noticed the car raised about 3/8 to a 1/2 more). Anyway the wheels I have in the pic. are my stock bullets I now have 17x9s in the front and 10.5s in the back. The only thing I really have to watch out for is speed bumps but all you have to do is go over them on an angle and your fine. IMO I wouldnt waste my money on just regular sport spring or the pro kit, somtimes you see pics of them and they dont even look lowered and by the way every car I ever saw with H&R sport springs is lower in the back than in the front.

 

Heres what it looks like now..........Also I have a rear seat delete and no spare tire.

 

Thanks for sharing...

Between your photos of your car and both you and R3D's comments..
I have made my choice.

Monday I am ordering HR Super Sport Springs and the Bilstein HD Shocks.

R3D: What did you mean about fox body in the front?
These are the ones I was going to order.. Do they have the fox body in front?

CHECK THESE OUT

Can't wait to install them

 

Hello R3D,
Can you please clarify what you meant by the Bilstein HD (Fox Body Fronts).
Does the Bilstein HD strut/shock combination come in different types? I was going to get the ones on the American Muscle site since they offer free shipping and their prices are pretty reasonable.

Thanks R3D... and sorry for being such a pain in the ***