WRX Vs. Mustang GT
Hey guys I have a race coming up. This son of b**** keeps talking crap saying he can beat my car he has a 2004 WRX with just a exhaust. I think he ran a 14.5 *rumors*. I just got my SLP exhaust on and my X-Cal2 tune in. Plus my cold air intake and my intake spacer and 180* thermostat. Sooooo hows the outcome going to look please tell me I have him beat. I dont wanna look like a idiot.Opinions....tips.....anything.....words of wisdom?
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Depends on how well you drive. A stock well driven WRX can run low 14s and a well driven stock GT can run high 13s.
Dont stink and you will win. |
Originally Posted by 04DarkShadowGT
Depends on how well you drive. A stock well driven WRX can run low 14s and a well driven stock GT can run high 13s.
Dont stink and you will win. This guy sucks and I want to shut him up. Guy called me up at midnight....and go lets race like a retard...I went back to sleep...but really honestly I belive the rumor of him running a 14.5 I ran a 14.75 bone stock with a load of furniture in my car....lol |
Originally Posted by Icefreezen
This guy sucks and I want to shut him up. Guy called me up at midnight....and go lets race like a retard...I went back to sleep...but really honestly I belive the rumor of him running a 14.5 I ran a 14.75 bone stock with a load of furniture in my car....lol
he probably did, and im sure you would be able to take him. tell him to bring it to the track, then once you smoke him maybe he will shut up |
Originally Posted by slappy
he probably did, and im sure you would be able to take him. tell him to bring it to the track, then once you smoke him maybe he will shut up
Wed. we are I live live 15 min from the track and he lives a hour away so I have had my practice. I just wanna DESTROY HIM!!!!!!! |
Whats yer best time so far?
Be sure to let us know how it goes. Its always nice to see some cocky bastard put in his place. |
Originally Posted by slappy
Whats yer best time so far?
Be sure to let us know how it goes. Its always nice to see some cocky bastard put in his place. |
I have raced two 04 WRX's at the track and beat both. Both ran a high 13's but were not driven as well as they could have been. I had 3.73's on the first race and barely beat him 13.73 to 13.81 but I tree'd his ass real bad .041 to .450 so it was not as close as it should have been. The last one I raced this spring and destroyed him since I was now running 12.80's - 13.10's with the 4.30's and torque convertor. I don't know if they were stock or not but they sounded and looked stock. I'd say it's a drivers race.
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I have a 04 GT with a BBK CAI, MRT H-Pipe w/Cats, Flow Masters, & and a Predator tune. I beat two WRX's one at the track and one on the the street. Its all about the driver. If you get a good lauch and hit all your shifts you'll win
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I woud'nt under estimate those WRXs they are quick especially if you talkin about the STI (300hp) model, but like someone said earlier it may come down to the driver too?
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The way I see it is your car is still pretty much stock. The mods you have done wont give you much power. So its a drivers race.
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Originally Posted by Blue02GT
I have raced two 04 WRX's at the track and beat both. Both ran a high 13's but were not driven as well as they could have been. I had 3.73's on the first race and barely beat him 13.73 to 13.81 but I tree'd his ass real bad .041 to .450 so it was not as close as it should have been. The last one I raced this spring and destroyed him since I was now running 12.80's - 13.10's with the 4.30's and torque convertor. I don't know if they were stock or not but they sounded and looked stock. I'd say it's a drivers race.
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Originally Posted by SpringsStang
how the HELL do you run 12s lol, that amazes me
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Originally Posted by SpringsStang
how the HELL do you run 12s lol, that amazes me
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It should be a driver's race. Car for car, you should have the edge, but a driver is the best mod. On that note, his AWD should be a lot more forgiving at launch, but with a good one, you should take him early. He will have a hard time catching up.
Don't expect your mods to result in much of a difference. Really, only gears adn a PA or lots of weight reduction will net big results. I have screwed around on the highway with my buddies '05. Both are verts too. I pull on hiss ass until about 50 mph, then the tide turns. After about 80 mph, his tailights start to get smaller if I was following him to begin with. Point is, cars are stronger at different speeds. You may loose to one of these on the highway, but then beat him at teh track. 1/4 racing is a lot different then racing from a roll. Or vice verse. |
Originally Posted by SpringsStang
how the HELL do you run 12s lol, that amazes me
gears torque converter suspension tune Sticky tires and an extra 40 rwhp over stock. My car is pretty fast for a couple of bolt on's but would not be a good street racer. Most guy's like to run from a roll on the highway and I'm set up to race from a dead stop. I can only go about 110 or so in third gear. My goal was to run mid 12's with a stock motor since my car is my only means of transportation other than my wife's old 94 Grand Voyager which I despise. Once I put my comp cams in I should hit 12.50's in decent air. Next year or two I'll buy a new Mustang and retire this one from daily duty then I'll shoot for the 10's. |
Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!
It should be a driver's race. Car for car, you should have the edge, but a driver is the best mod. On that note, his AWD should be a lot more forgiving at launch, but with a good one, you should take him early. He will have a hard time catching up.
Don't expect your mods to result in much of a difference. Really, only gears adn a PA or lots of weight reduction will net big results. I have screwed around on the highway with my buddies '05. Both are verts too. I pull on hiss ass until about 50 mph, then the tide turns. After about 80 mph, his tailights start to get smaller if I was following him to begin with. Point is, cars are stronger at different speeds. You may loose to one of these on the highway, but then beat him at teh track. 1/4 racing is a lot different then racing from a roll. Or vice verse. |
Air up the fronts to 45 psi, drop the backs down to 20 -22 psi. Good Luck!
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Originally Posted by Blue02GT
Air up the fronts to 45 psi, drop the backs down to 20 -22 psi. Good Luck!
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Originally Posted by Icefreezen
Thanks for the tip
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How'd you run?
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Originally Posted by Blue02GT
How'd you run?
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Dont wanna steal your thread but I thought you might find it interesting that I test drove a WRX not to long ago because everyone talks so highly of them (even the car magazines). Well I drove a brand new one so it was'nt broke in at all so keep that in mind...............Performance wise I very dissapointed, nothing down low and alot of turbo lag I thought it was not fast at all I think the only reason these cars stand a chance is the AWD. But it did handle awesome, very fun on the back roads around here and road very well. All in all It's a nice car but if you want fast your going to have to upgrade to a STI.
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does he have a turbo in it? Just checking and also what Stage is he 1 2 3
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Originally Posted by Stevoneo
does he have a turbo in it? Just checking and also what Stage is he 1 2 3
Stock..but heard he's going to up the boost on it soon |
Yeah man don't sleep on the EVO's and the STI's. They will sneak up on you. That AWD is killer. I do have to say though....the turbo lag is horrible. I've driven them both, and while they are some fast cars....it takes them a good 1.5 seconds to get up there. That's plenty of time to get in front and make them look bad in front of their sideways hat wearing friends
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have those 4.10's put in for your next meetup with him, make him suffer even more
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Originally Posted by TonyStangs
have those 4.10's put in for your next meetup with him, make him suffer even more
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a friend of mine had an '03 WRX w/ exhaust, intake and BOV and it was decent but when we raced people with it, i would launch it at 7K and it launched like a bow-legged ape! We raced a couple GT's w/ work done and rearend up grades and from a dead stop we'de pull them by about 3 or 4 cars instantly all b/c of the launch same thing w/ a Z28 but 3rd gear is when they would start to catch up but it took alot. If your boy upgrades his turbo or turns up the boost, hope he doesnt get the balls to launch it at 7K, if so have fun catching up.
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Originally Posted by Blk02stang
a friend of mine had an '03 WRX w/ exhaust, intake and BOV and it was decent but when we raced people with it, i would launch it at 7K and it launched like a bow-legged ape! We raced a couple GT's w/ work done and rearend up grades and from a dead stop we'de pull them by about 3 or 4 cars instantly all b/c of the launch same thing w/ a Z28 but 3rd gear is when they would start to catch up but it took alot. If your boy upgrades his turbo or turns up the boost, hope he doesnt get the balls to launch it at 7K, if so have fun catching up.
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my friend has an 03 wrx w/ about 10g's of work into it. just about everything from the pistons to the floor mats is changed. you name it he has it. running 21lbs boost on a VF34 turbo upgrade and an enormous perrin intercooler. had it dyno'd at just under 360hp to the wheels. i've raced SVT's with him and he's taken them all. always drops it at around 4-5k rpm on his racing clutch.
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Originally Posted by TonyStangs
my friend has an 03 wrx w/ about 10g's of work into it. just about everything from the pistons to the floor mats is changed. you name it he has it. running 21lbs boost on a VF34 turbo upgrade and an enormous perrin intercooler. had it dyno'd at just under 360hp to the wheels. i've raced SVT's with him and he's taken them all. always drops it at around 4-5k rpm on his racing clutch.
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360hp in an AWD car is alot and i've seen them on the track stomping V8's w/ about the same amount of money dropped in them, only b/c they can launch w/ 4 wheels rather than 2, John Sheppard if anyone has herd of him has an AWD 4cyl Eagle Talon putin 400hp running 8.1-8.2 1/4. If the v8's alwayz come out on top....Imports vs. Domestics @ Maryland International Raceway...Imports seem to alwayz win and they have less money in their cars....a Buddy of mine has an All-motor Honda insight w/ a engine swap running mid 9's and it's very low-budget, another has a 4cyl Cobalt w/ a turbo turning low 8's in the 1/4 you cant alwayz count on the v8 w/ alot of money in it.
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rice lover?
BAN! :D |
Originally Posted by Blk02stang
360hp in an AWD car is alot and i've seen them on the track stomping V8's w/ about the same amount of money dropped in them, only b/c they can launch w/ 4 wheels rather than 2, John Sheppard if anyone has herd of him has an AWD 4cyl Eagle Talon putin 400hp running 8.1-8.2 1/4. If the v8's alwayz come out on top....Imports vs. Domestics @ Maryland International Raceway...Imports seem to alwayz win and they have less money in their cars....a Buddy of mine has an All-motor Honda insight w/ a engine swap running mid 9's and it's very low-budget, another has a 4cyl Cobalt w/ a turbo turning low 8's in the 1/4 you cant alwayz count on the v8 w/ alot of money in it.
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Originally Posted by Blk02stang
360hp in an AWD car is alot and i've seen them on the track stomping V8's w/ about the same amount of money dropped in them, only b/c they can launch w/ 4 wheels rather than 2, John Sheppard if anyone has herd of him has an AWD 4cyl Eagle Talon putin 400hp running 8.1-8.2 1/4. If the v8's alwayz come out on top....Imports vs. Domestics @ Maryland International Raceway...Imports seem to alwayz win and they have less money in their cars....a Buddy of mine has an All-motor Honda insight w/ a engine swap running mid 9's and it's very low-budget, another has a 4cyl Cobalt w/ a turbo turning low 8's in the 1/4 you cant alwayz count on the v8 w/ alot of money in it.
1) Its true that AWD is powerful, but it does add weight to the car. EVO's and STi's are good cars with AWD. Nobody can question that. 2) John Sheppard, Google him...doesnt show up on Google. Therefore, I highly doubt he had a 400hp Eagle Talon that could run low 8's. 400hp Talon could run low 12/11's, MAYBE! The thing has to be turboed out the wazoo to do so. 3) You would turbo an Eagle Talon, WHY!? 4) Imports v Domestics, imports always seem to win because they have less money in their cars. Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. Where do you get that from? I can do very little to my car to push it to 400HP (Flywheel), N/A. I sure as hell dont need to drop $5000 in my car to get it to that level. **** I drop $5000 in my car, im WAY over 400HP (Blown Anyone?). 5) Your buddy with an "All Motor Honda Insight" is a complete moron. In fact I dont even believe you that he has an All motor Honda Insight. You cant even run a wider tire on that thing. You would get no traction at all to even attempt to drive that thing. Low Budget running mid-9's in that thing is impossible. ITS A HYBRID CAR, WTF ARE YOU GOING TO STICK IN THERE TO MAKE POWER, AND KEEP THE CAR ABLE TO DRIVE?! http://lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/...nsightslam.jpg 6) 4 Cyl Cobalt with a Turbo will not run low 8's in the quarter. **** only thing ive seen running fast in the 7/8's is a TURBOED BIKE with NITROUS! No way in hell a 4 Cyl Cobalt will run 8's, Not with the amount of weight that it has, and not with the lack of horsepower it has, even with a Turbo. Do you thing turbos just make all cars immensely faster by adding like 600HP? Im sorry, but a Mustang would wipe those cars clean, hands down. |
Ok, I think its time to send this post to the Smack Talk section...
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You boys must not know of Norris Prayoonto frum Clutchmasters racing, and Gary Gardella of Ecotec racing, and yes John Shepperd does has a AWD talon and the TSI model comes factory AWD and turbo. if you want logic times maybe you should dig deeper in your research and check out NDRA.com or NOPI.com and good look at drag racing stats. Better yet if you really wanna kno about the Insight, it's a carbonfiber/fiberglass shell w/ a K20 engine and u can check out the car for yourself at Ultimate Performance in Springfield, Va.
heres your facts....... http://ndra.nopi.com/2005/default.cfm Read into this article....states exactly all about the Cobalt and 8.0 1/4 time of Gardella http://ndra.nopi.com/2005/kd_dsp_art...l.cfm?vaid=495 your proof on John Shepperd and his 8sec 1/4 AWD talon....http://ndra.nopi.com/eqraces/dsp_ere...classid=3C-Pro 4 Cylinder And final...urs froof on the 9.773sec 136.37mph pass of the insight: http://ndra.nopi.com/eqraces/dsp_ere...classid=3B-Pro Stock and pics: http://ndra.nopi.com/2k5gallery/MD/P...onto%2002.html http://ndra.nopi.com/2k5gallery/MD/P...ella%2002.html http://ndra.nopi.com/2k5gallery/MD/P...herd%2001.html Dont it suck when someone has the proof to back it! and jus so you all know I dont love ricecar's i jus know alot of people who race them and always give me **** b/c i'm like everyone else....gotta have a mustang |
Thats not an insight for the sheer fact that it is only the SHELL of an Insight. **** I could gut a Yugo and throw a powerful engine in it with only a seat and make it go fast too. We're talking about cars that havnt even been built as dragsters. Note how they have lots of weight taken off the car. This whole goddamn conversation has been about cars who have been modified by real normal enthusiasts, not someone who has a sponsorship who is able to gut and then rebuild the entire car.
**** theyve put MUCH MUCH MORE than 10k in their cars, no question about it. This is a modified stock for stock comparison, not a, "Lets quote cars that are BUILT to be Fast and have been deigned for 8 second runs. Note how everyone here was talking about STREETABLE cars, not setup dragsters. Those cars fall far out of the scope of what we were talking about here in the first place, therefore, your whole example about these cars being monsters is pointless. **** if I spent the kind of cash they they spent in their cars I would HOPE the would be able to do 8's and 9's. Imports v. Domestics, imports always win. Your whole 2nd post just refuted your entire argument. The Chevy Cobalt (a GM Car) was going faster than that "Insight" that you put up. Same with the Talon. Your whole argument is like comparing the structural strength of a normal wall in a house to, say, the Goddamn Great Wall of China. You failed argument school didnt you, because logical arguing sure as hell doesnt make sense to you |
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