my friend has an 03 wrx w/ about 10g's of work into it. just about everything from the pistons to the floor mats is changed. you name it he has it. running 21lbs boost on a VF34 turbo upgrade and an enormous perrin intercooler. had it dyno'd at just under 360hp to the wheels. i've raced SVT's with him and he's taken them all. always drops it at around 4-5k rpm on his racing clutch.

 

Sure, but drop 10g's in a svt or even a GT and see who would be faster..........can you say V8, thats the thing here, all these 4 banger guys put like 5,000 to 10,000 into their cars and talk how they beat stock mustangs. Bottom line if you have a 4banger and a v8, drop the same amount of money in each, the v8 will always be faster!!

 

360hp in an AWD car is alot and i've seen them on the track stomping V8's w/ about the same amount of money dropped in them, only b/c they can launch w/ 4 wheels rather than 2, John Sheppard if anyone has herd of him has an AWD 4cyl Eagle Talon putin 400hp running 8.1-8.2 1/4. If the v8's alwayz come out on top....Imports vs. Domestics @ Maryland International Raceway...Imports seem to alwayz win and they have less money in their cars....a Buddy of mine has an All-motor Honda insight w/ a engine swap running mid 9's and it's very low-budget, another has a 4cyl Cobalt w/ a turbo turning low 8's in the 1/4 you cant alwayz count on the v8 w/ alot of money in it.

 

Looks like Blk02stang is a rice lover!

 

rice lover?












BAN!

 

I think I smell something and it smells like ****......thats right its called BULL****!!!!!!! Dude maybe you should go with your ricer friends and smoke some of the crack they smoke, you know the crack that makes a civics with cold air intakes and a fart cannon beat mustangs and Camaros!!

 

OK a few things about this post....

1) Its true that AWD is powerful, but it does add weight to the car. EVO's and STi's are good cars with AWD. Nobody can question that.

2) John Sheppard, Google him...doesnt show up on Google. Therefore, I highly doubt he had a 400hp Eagle Talon that could run low 8's. 400hp Talon could run low 12/11's, MAYBE! The thing has to be turboed out the wazoo to do so.

3) You would turbo an Eagle Talon, WHY!?

4) Imports v Domestics, imports always seem to win because they have less money in their cars.

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

Where do you get that from? I can do very little to my car to push it to 400HP (Flywheel), N/A. I sure as hell dont need to drop $5000 in my car to get it to that level. **** I drop $5000 in my car, im WAY over 400HP (Blown Anyone?).

5) Your buddy with an "All Motor Honda Insight" is a complete moron. In fact I dont even believe you that he has an All motor Honda Insight. You cant even run a wider tire on that thing. You would get no traction at all to even attempt to drive that thing. Low Budget running mid-9's in that thing is impossible. ITS A HYBRID CAR, WTF ARE YOU GOING TO STICK IN THERE TO MAKE POWER, AND KEEP THE CAR ABLE TO DRIVE?!



6) 4 Cyl Cobalt with a Turbo will not run low 8's in the quarter. **** only thing ive seen running fast in the 7/8's is a TURBOED BIKE with NITROUS! No way in hell a 4 Cyl Cobalt will run 8's, Not with the amount of weight that it has, and not with the lack of horsepower it has, even with a Turbo.

Do you thing turbos just make all cars immensely faster by adding like 600HP?

Im sorry, but a Mustang would wipe those cars clean, hands down.

 

Ok, I think its time to send this post to the Smack Talk section...

 

You boys must not know of Norris Prayoonto frum Clutchmasters racing, and Gary Gardella of Ecotec racing, and yes John Shepperd does has a AWD talon and the TSI model comes factory AWD and turbo. if you want logic times maybe you should dig deeper in your research and check out NDRA.com or NOPI.com and good look at drag racing stats. Better yet if you really wanna kno about the Insight, it's a carbonfiber/fiberglass shell w/ a K20 engine and u can check out the car for yourself at Ultimate Performance in Springfield, Va.

heres your facts.......

http://ndra.nopi.com/2005/default.cfm
Read into this article....states exactly all about the Cobalt and 8.0 1/4 time of Gardella http://ndra.nopi.com/2005/kd_dsp_art...l.cfm?vaid=495
your proof on John Shepperd and his 8sec 1/4 AWD talon....http://ndra.nopi.com/eqraces/dsp_ere...classid=3C-Pro 4 Cylinder
And final...urs froof on the 9.773sec 136.37mph pass of the insight: http://ndra.nopi.com/eqraces/dsp_ere...classid=3B-Pro Stock

and pics:
http://ndra.nopi.com/2k5gallery/MD/P...onto%2002.html
http://ndra.nopi.com/2k5gallery/MD/P...ella%2002.html
http://ndra.nopi.com/2k5gallery/MD/P...herd%2001.html


Dont it suck when someone has the proof to back it! and jus so you all know I dont love ricecar's i jus know alot of people who race them and always give me **** b/c i'm like everyone else....gotta have a mustang

 

Thats not an insight for the sheer fact that it is only the SHELL of an Insight. **** I could gut a Yugo and throw a powerful engine in it with only a seat and make it go fast too. We're talking about cars that havnt even been built as dragsters. Note how they have lots of weight taken off the car. This whole goddamn conversation has been about cars who have been modified by real normal enthusiasts, not someone who has a sponsorship who is able to gut and then rebuild the entire car.

**** theyve put MUCH MUCH MORE than 10k in their cars, no question about it. This is a modified stock for stock comparison, not a, "Lets quote cars that are BUILT to be Fast and have been deigned for 8 second runs.

Note how everyone here was talking about STREETABLE cars, not setup dragsters.

Those cars fall far out of the scope of what we were talking about here in the first place, therefore, your whole example about these cars being monsters is pointless. **** if I spent the kind of cash they they spent in their cars I would HOPE the would be able to do 8's and 9's.

Imports v. Domestics, imports always win. Your whole 2nd post just refuted your entire argument. The Chevy Cobalt (a GM Car) was going faster than that "Insight" that you put up. Same with the Talon.

Your whole argument is like comparing the structural strength of a normal wall in a house to, say, the Goddamn Great Wall of China.

You failed argument school didnt you, because logical arguing sure as hell doesnt make sense to you

 

in the begining did i ever say it was a street car??? NO i stated a fact that you cant count out 4cyl cars! i never said they were track cars, and u stated no way an insight or cobalt could run those times...well you jus got proved, you didnt state either for it to be street legal.

 

By the way the eagle talon....is factory w/ a Mitsubishi engine, same 2.0 DOHC turbo in GS-t Eclipse therefore being an import and u wanna talk talk a import not being quick also....a Toyota Celica...na not quick at all w/ the factory 1.8DOHC but swap it w/ a Toyota 2JZ inline 6cyl and you can make 6.5sec 1/4 passes at 216mph w/ the right money in it and yes it's about $15k in it.....so care imports that slow?????

 

I could do what they did to their cars...spend the same amount of money, and end up with a 6 second cobra, which blows all of them away.

Also, they are not Insights or Cobalts anymore, those engines have been changed, drivetrains been transformed, interiors gutted, and a host of other things. They are only the bodies of Insights or Cobalts. Hell, I could gut everything in my car and put an all powerful motor in it (even if it is a 4 cyl), and put a carbon fiber shell around it shaped like a Cow if I wanted to, but that doesnt make it a Cow. It makes it a dragster. I would bet there is NOTHING factory on that Insight, beyond minor do-das and so forth that would make no performance gain at all. The ENGINE isnt even factory. Everyone here has been referring to cars who have at least their main portion of their Engine block stock.

All your doing is supporting our claim that imports have to drop a TON of money into their cars in order go faster.

In fact, do this. Find out the total amount of money that it took to make that "Insight" run as fast as it does. Give me that total, and im sure I could take my Cobra and go much much faster than that insight.

Heres something from 2002 On a Pro Bracket.

SUPERCHIPS/PRO
W
Tofie Haddad
Sterling Heights, MI
02 Mustang 813
.471
6.975 @ 199.52

R
Jim Summers
Lake Bluff, IL
02 Mustang
.465
7.607 @ 139.98

Heres your link if your questioning it.
http://www.mustangworks.com/autonews/arc6-2002.html

Oops, I just blew all three of your cars right out of the water, and I was able to do it three years ago. And they probably spent the same amount on their cars as your insight buddy did on his.

Keep diggin that hole man, your doin great.

 

the motor's are factory Honda engines.....jus not in that specific car, but yes they are true Honda factory built. i said previously.....an insight but never stated full detail man, if you would of asked...."is it a street car or drag car?" you would of got your simple answer and not be going like this battling amung one another, by the way your times you just posted....look back again at the 6.5 by the Celica...Mike Scranton frum Titan motors sports, amungst the others is Stephan w/ the AEM civic 6.5's along w/ Ara Aslanian and his Solara 6.6's, Paul Efantis' Solara 6's the hole isnt gettin deeper, these car are only v6's ur talkin v8's pulling 6's and 7's these are pullin it w/ 2 less cyl dude come on you tell me to research it, i've seen it i kno them if you want a street car i can get ya one mid 8's and yea it's a inline 6 2JZ supra on G-force comp t/a's and is a licenesed and tagged car in Fla. Gary White...Titan Motorsports '96 supra

 

You might as well count these then: http://www.nhra.com/stats/natrecord.html. Since these aren't street legal either. Show me an import in the 4's.

 

I'll do the work for you: http://ndra.nopi.com/2005/ndra_records.cfm. BTW, 6.581 is nowhere near 4.441 and 214.18 is nowhere near 336.15. You're looking at a difference of over 2 whole seconds and over 120 MPH.

 

maybe you should dig a little more deeper..Ara Arslanian has a rail car....w/ yes an import engine....twinturbo inline 6 Toyota engine and it hasnt made a complete 1/4 pass yet and has run below 6.5 and was cut off not even halfway down the track.....so watch and see what time it will post on a complete pass

 

Did it blow up? Probably. That's what Toyota motors do. Oh and BTW, the NHRA has lots of restrictions and does not allow turbos. Those cars would much faster with just one turbo let alone two.

 

no didnt blow up, turning wasnt just right according to what Ara said so i dont know, and yea you are right 2JZ's do tend to be quicker when changed frum twin to single, but it all depends on your set-up in which his setup is deffent alowing more boost. Yea NHRA does have their rules, so does NDRA they have their rules stating certain size turbo's u can run.

 

okay put shambles motor in a miata. turbo, and then tub and narrow the rear add a shot of nas (for 2f2f racers) and then play.

 

HAHAHAHA I might have to photoshop that one...

 

I do have to admit that some of those import girls are hot. That's something I will admit that the imports have going for them.

 

Have fun w/ that swap b/c i would love to actually see it done and make a pass on the track. why add a shot to it? none of the others i stated previously before have a shot.

 

well have to get up to 16 grand some how........... i do know this there is a older 240z lurking here in tha ville that is really f-ing quick. i know it's tt but beyond that i have no clue what's under the hood............

 

Cobra, same here a boy took a Civic shell and put it on a older mustang frame and has a sick v8 in it, it's somewhere in Mananasas, Va. Same a few 280? Z cars w/ 383's and 1st gen RX7's w/ the same

 

im starting to wonder y you keep talking. your fighting a battle your going to lose your getting as annoying as spring stang was and i have to say i liked him and his stupidity but your just being retarded now

 

the 240 has dose not have any thing domestic on it or in it not even the driver. it is a bad a^$. i like my car and i want to go fast enought to need a cage and i'm done that's it.

 

that previous post you stated of mine....i would love to see that swap done....i kno some people will do some crazy stuff and "frankenstien" swaps but seriously i think it would be wild to see a cobra swap in a tiny lil miata

 

That would be pretty funny in a 2400 lb. vehicle.

 

This thread is a joke. If we are talking about street cars racing at the track no ricer p.o.s. can touch a 03-04 Cobra with 10 grand in mod's. I don't go online and read what some rice racing team runs in a 2,000 lb. shell I race at the track with my street car. I kill ricers every time I go and my car is just a bolt on car with a stock engine. True you can do some work to a WRXsti or a EVO, SRT Neon and run low 12's. But that's alot of work and money. Take a 99-04 GT 5 speed manual and add gears, sticky tires and a 100 shot and you can go high 11's. I raced a little Volkswagon hatch back with twin turbos pushing 18 lbs of boost guess what happened. I ran 13.00 to his 15.80, that's 28 car lengths and he had a ton of cash in his car. Besides after we are done racing I drive home in a great looking Mustang with a throaty V8 and they drive home in homo looking
little fart cannon'd 4 bangers. Seriously this guy must not ever venture out to a track and see how freaking slow most of these ricer burners really are.