More bass please!!
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04-09-2005 | 12:51 AM
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More bass please!!
Maybe it's just me but does anyone want a little more bass out of their Mach system? i mean it's a good system but i like bass in my music. And not splattered speaker bass. Does anyone one know of a subwoofer setup without having to re-wire my whole system and also something that won't overpower my speakers if a add an amp?
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04-09-2005 | 07:00 AM
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My bro w01stang added an amp and sub to his mach system. The most important thing to consider is to get an amp that has a Bass control **** that you can mount around drivers seat so you can lower or raise volume of sub without having to touch the stock radio.
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04-09-2005 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by venom
My bro w01stang added an amp and sub to his mach system. The most important thing to consider is to get an amp that has a Bass control **** that you can mount around drivers seat so you can lower or raise volume of sub without having to touch the stock radio.
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04-13-2005 | 07:51 PM
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I got the mach 1000 system and think it sounds great for a stock stereo.
but yeah, i wouldnt mind some more bass.
I plan to get the rear seat delete kit and modifying it so it becomes the front baffle for a speaker box and i plan to drop a couple 10in subs in it and getting a good 500W amp.
Its gonna be a major pain in the *** though. I dont plan to have it done before the end of summer, too many other projects, but when i do i will document the mach 1000 sub removal and the wiring of it as well as the modding of the rear seat delete kit. Ill be sure to post it so if anyone wants to get better subs they can use it for reference.
but yeah, i wouldnt mind some more bass.
I plan to get the rear seat delete kit and modifying it so it becomes the front baffle for a speaker box and i plan to drop a couple 10in subs in it and getting a good 500W amp.
Its gonna be a major pain in the *** though. I dont plan to have it done before the end of summer, too many other projects, but when i do i will document the mach 1000 sub removal and the wiring of it as well as the modding of the rear seat delete kit. Ill be sure to post it so if anyone wants to get better subs they can use it for reference.
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04-13-2005 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MattJ
The gain is not a volume setting. Its to match the preout voltage coming from your headunit. Its more of a distortion ****. you will clip the living bejesus out of your drivers that way.
Clipping = antichrist of audio.
----For all of you who dont know too much about stereos----
Think of it like this, you have a sub that can handle 500 watts RMS, and you have a 250w amp RMS that peaks at about 500w. You turn the gain all the way up and managed to get about 350w constant, but it will clip like a motherf****r. You WILL destroy your driver by doing this, and it will sound like crap.
Better way to do it? Get the 500w sub and at LEAST a 500w RMS amp. You can run the amp with the gain turned down and still pound the hell out of that speaker and give all your passangers a good kidney massage.
A watt is not a watt is not a watt. They are not all equal.
Ive seen drivers that are rated for 500w get totally fried by a 200w amp with the gain turned al the way up.
If you find that in order to get the SPL you want that you have to turn the gain up over half way, then either get a higher power amp and/or a sub driver with a better efficiency rating.
There was this kid i knew who had a sub box with 4 8in drivers and he had 4 amps. He had the gain turned ALL THE WAY UP.
"Yo Chris, check out my bass man!"
All i heared were his cheap *** 2nd rate amps with the gain turned all the way up bottoming out the drivers. worst sound ive ever heard. Loud? Yeah. But what is the point of volume if it sounds like crap?
Ill take clean smooth powerful bass anyday. its a little bit harder to get than crappy bass, but well worth it
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04-13-2005 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MattJ
The gain is not a volume setting. Its to match the preout voltage coming from your headunit. Its more of a distortion ****. you will clip the living bejesus out of your drivers that way.
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04-13-2005 | 11:05 PM
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Just a quick reply here. I have the mach 460 (no sub woofers just the amps). Geez that thing thumps like crazy at high volume. Just remember when you get past 40 years old hearing loss is not fun. You will have ringing in your ears that will not ever stop. Drive you crazy it will. 
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04-14-2005 | 12:24 AM
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Hey Venom....i'm liking your setup that you have in your car. Is that comming from a Mach system? if so have you kept all of your stock speakers, and are the Mach amps stil in it? Which Subs are you running with that. oh 1 more thing..did you have to take it to a custom shop to get this done? Because i went to Circut City and Best Buy and they told me that I wasn't able to add anything to my Mach. I just don't want to have to spend the money to rewire the system and it not be good!
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04-14-2005 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by macs03GT
Hey Venom....i'm liking your setup that you have in your car. Is that comming from a Mach system? if so have you kept all of your stock speakers, and are the Mach amps stil in it? Which Subs are you running with that. oh 1 more thing..did you have to take it to a custom shop to get this done? Because i went to Circut City and Best Buy and they told me that I wasn't able to add anything to my Mach. I just don't want to have to spend the money to rewire the system and it not be good!
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04-14-2005 | 09:05 AM
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I've gotten past my bass days, I dropped a grand into the stereo of my Chevy S10, and it had great bass, but wasn't nearly as balanced as the Mach 460 sounds.
I ran a JL 10-W1 (125 watt) with a JL 250 watt amp.. hit very clean, and actually fit behind the seats of a regular cab!
I ran a JL 10-W1 (125 watt) with a JL 250 watt amp.. hit very clean, and actually fit behind the seats of a regular cab!
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04-14-2005 | 09:49 PM
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Hey Venom, thanks for that link.
I have the mach 1000 system, it gets a lot more bass than the 460 but that aint really saying a whole lot. Ive been planning on getting a rear-seat delete kit (or building my own) and turning it into the front baffle for a sub box and getting rid of all that crap in my trunk.
Now i know where to tap off of to get the signal to the amps!
I have the mach 1000 system, it gets a lot more bass than the 460 but that aint really saying a whole lot. Ive been planning on getting a rear-seat delete kit (or building my own) and turning it into the front baffle for a sub box and getting rid of all that crap in my trunk.
Now i know where to tap off of to get the signal to the amps!
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04-14-2005 | 10:00 PM
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ive got quite a bit of car audio history
i had a 97 s10 that took 5th place at usaci world finals for sound quality. then went onto SPL and had a 94 beretta with a single 12 pushin out 145s on termlab with a trunk setup. that setup got me 2nd place at midwest finals, 2nd place WI,IL,MI finals, and a bunch of tropheys inbetween. I was really in it for reality SPL where i was only 3 dB down from my normal runs which is really amazing. I have yet to see anyone who can do that.
had plans for the mustang but didnt feel like having a 50 pound sub in my trunk with 2000 watts, such as my beretta did.
i had a 97 s10 that took 5th place at usaci world finals for sound quality. then went onto SPL and had a 94 beretta with a single 12 pushin out 145s on termlab with a trunk setup. that setup got me 2nd place at midwest finals, 2nd place WI,IL,MI finals, and a bunch of tropheys inbetween. I was really in it for reality SPL where i was only 3 dB down from my normal runs which is really amazing. I have yet to see anyone who can do that.
had plans for the mustang but didnt feel like having a 50 pound sub in my trunk with 2000 watts, such as my beretta did.
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04-18-2005 | 07:52 PM
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Tube people Tubes i got a ten inch tube with a eclipse 10 inch sub inverted on the end with a 600 watt mono amp. the 1000 burned out. but tubes while not hitting at all at low volume smash it like nothing else when ya crank it. i wouldnt say so much that its louder than a box. but when it comes to jiggling your eyeballs and just liquifying your back seat passengers tubes deffintly let out more vibrations. please tell me some one else agrees with me
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04-18-2005 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HappySavage
Tube people Tubes i got a ten inch tube with a eclipse 10 inch sub inverted on the end with a 600 watt mono amp. the 1000 burned out. but tubes while not hitting at all at low volume smash it like nothing else when ya crank it. i wouldnt say so much that its louder than a box. but when it comes to jiggling your eyeballs and just liquifying your back seat passengers tubes deffintly let out more vibrations. please tell me some one else agrees with me
Tube amps were the norm for a long time untill solid state technologys all but replaced tubes in almost every audio aspect except for guitar amps and high end audio stereo systems. Heh, take Wavac 833 Monoblocks for example. a Pair of monoblocks weight something around 400lbs and cost about $350,000 for a pair. They totally suck on paper when looking at the distortion levels, linearity, and over all frequency responce, but those who have heared them have a tendancy to consider them the holy grail of amplification. <laugh>
Pair up some Wavac 833's and a set of Kharma's top of the line speakers and you have already blown 1.35 million dollars and still dont even have pre-amp, source, cables, or accoustical treatments. <ROFL>
sorry, im a bit of an audiophile, this car thing has totally taken me by storm but i used to lurk around on the Audiogon forums.
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04-19-2005 | 11:24 PM
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Slappy i was talking about tube enclosures not the amps im too young to even work those old things lol. tube encloses let out all the rumble from the bass. it just littrally(however you spell that) vibrates everything. i mean have you ever seen quaterpanels and a roof shake? you can do it with tubes for way less than it would cost to do it with boxs. i put a piece or paper over my port on my tube and put a penny on it and i can shoot the penny through the air like 20 feet. lol always get the box guys pissed.
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04-25-2005 | 09:36 PM
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You will get a cleaner, crisper sound out of a properly fitted box than a tube. The first setup I built was in a tube because it was cheaper, but I won't go back to that again after getting a quality box setup... Sadly, the Mach 460 in the 'Stang doesn't even sound halfway decent compared to the system in my beater. :icon_scra :glasses9:
#20
04-26-2005 | 04:44 PM
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i used the method that you can see on mustang world.
I have an Infinity Kappa Perfect 10" DVQ
http://infinitysystems.com/caraudio/product.aspx?ProdId='KAPPA+PERFECT10DVQ'&Ser=KPE&C at=SUB
Pioneer GM-7100M amp
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...786553,00.html
and now i hit hard as a mo fo
very easy to install and at a low cost. nice part about it, is if you get an aftermarket head unit down the road, all you have to do is pull the RCA cable the head unit and you got bass.
if you have questions let me know.
I have an Infinity Kappa Perfect 10" DVQ
http://infinitysystems.com/caraudio/product.aspx?ProdId='KAPPA+PERFECT10DVQ'&Ser=KPE&C at=SUB
Pioneer GM-7100M amp
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...786553,00.html
and now i hit hard as a mo fo
very easy to install and at a low cost. nice part about it, is if you get an aftermarket head unit down the road, all you have to do is pull the RCA cable the head unit and you got bass.
if you have questions let me know.
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05-26-2005 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by crzhrse
I run my rockfords for a good 7000 watts when i want to shake the earth but for the most part I have to turn them off and listen to the stock mach so i dont liquify my brain 
you dont have enough amperage to power 7000 watts.
lets do the math on this too.
W=V x A
A=W/V
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and give you 14.4v which will be optimum voltage with no drops.
so with that said.
a = 7000 / 14.4
a = 486 amps.
Your stock alternator does 130 at full load. You do not have 4 batteries and you arent running a dual alternator setup to juice them batteries up, or even a high output to run that kind of current draw. So like MYTH BUSTERS, your myth has been busted.
nice try buddy...lol
Originally Posted by crzhrse
Um my girl has a 12 inch w7 in her daily driver and my buddy had 3 12 inch w7s in his daily driver sooo not only in show cars
Originally Posted by MattJ
Get into the competition world of car audio, youll never see a w7, unless its just a show car.
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05-31-2005 | 10:51 AM
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[QUOTE=MattJ]7000 watts. LOL. good luck....
you dont have enough amperage to power 7000 watts.
lets do the math on this too.
W=V x A
A=W/V
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and give you 14.4v which will be optimum voltage with no drops.
so with that said.
a = 7000 / 14.4
a = 486 amps.
Your stock alternator does 130 at full load. You do not have 4 batteries and you arent running a dual alternator setup to juice them batteries up, or even a high output to run that kind of current draw. So like MYTH BUSTERS, your myth has been busted.
nice try buddy...lol
I have 3 farad capacitors, they keep the juice in the trunk when it is called for and I couldn't stand to have the thing run for a long time because I dont feel like driving with ear plugs
you dont have enough amperage to power 7000 watts.
lets do the math on this too.
W=V x A
A=W/V
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and give you 14.4v which will be optimum voltage with no drops.
so with that said.
a = 7000 / 14.4
a = 486 amps.
Your stock alternator does 130 at full load. You do not have 4 batteries and you arent running a dual alternator setup to juice them batteries up, or even a high output to run that kind of current draw. So like MYTH BUSTERS, your myth has been busted.
nice try buddy...lol
I have 3 farad capacitors, they keep the juice in the trunk when it is called for and I couldn't stand to have the thing run for a long time because I dont feel like driving with ear plugs
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05-31-2005 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by crzhrse
I have 3 farad capacitors, they keep the juice in the trunk when it is called for and I couldn't stand to have the thing run for a long time because I dont feel like driving with ear plugs
(all based on 12v)...
In physics we all should of learned that Joules = Watts / Seconds so change that up to Watts = Joules / Seconds
w = 432j / 3s (ill give you 3 seconds of "the perfect world" without voltage drop, full power from the caps, and free of the other electronic mumbo jumbo that causes you to lose power in your audio application)
so your wattage from 3 caps in a perfect world = 144watts, not including your 70% effeciency from your amp if its class D, or 50% if its A/B, voltage drop, power loss, ect as listed above.
Now with your normal autozone deep cycle 100a 12v battery, again ill give you the benifit of the doubt and round the number down to 1 billion farads which will equal 4,320,00 Joules. Ill spare you the math on the rest of this and just point out to you why the real SPL orientated vehicles use banks of batteries (with copper bars) instead of banks of capacitors.
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