diablo and juice
#2
11-06-2005, 06:58 AM
I moved this to the correct thread for ya.
As for the tuner you should take out a few degree's of timing from the stock timing curve, and add a bit more fuel.
but i will warn you that you should be using a wide band air/fuel guage to see the air fuel on the bottle as at home tuning doesnt always work without a a/f guage.
As for the tuner you should take out a few degree's of timing from the stock timing curve, and add a bit more fuel.
but i will warn you that you should be using a wide band air/fuel guage to see the air fuel on the bottle as at home tuning doesnt always work without a a/f guage.
#4
11-06-2005, 12:02 PM
The Venom is self-tuning and as long as you stick with the standard nozzles that come with the kit, you will be fine. There is no such thing as a dyno tune with a Venom, because the Venom computer supliments the fuel addition, not the ECU.
As far as the the tuner is concerned, do not ever spray with your timing advanced. You can use the tuner to retard your timing or just leave the timing stock. But you will be safer if you retard your timing about 1 - 2 degrees especially if you are running stock heat range plugs.
You can add more fuel if yu want. This is probably not a bad idea, but not neccesary either. By richening up your a/f with the tuner, the ECU will call for more fuel and then when you spray, the Venom will just add a tad less. But, I fear you may end up running too rich, but that is not such a bad thing.
Dynos that I have seen with cars running Venom nitrous typically start out lean and then level out. Tuners go nuts over this, but I know of not one single case where a motor has been ruined on a Venom system. I read my plugs and the only time where I see them get white is when I am spraying a lot, but they are never so white where you need to worry. In your case, you should be able to reduce this spike by richening up your fuel trims.
The Venom systems are vary safe, designed to run on a stock car, and is a great system for the guy who is worried about his motor and does not mind being a little conservative with the juice.
As far as the the tuner is concerned, do not ever spray with your timing advanced. You can use the tuner to retard your timing or just leave the timing stock. But you will be safer if you retard your timing about 1 - 2 degrees especially if you are running stock heat range plugs.
You can add more fuel if yu want. This is probably not a bad idea, but not neccesary either. By richening up your a/f with the tuner, the ECU will call for more fuel and then when you spray, the Venom will just add a tad less. But, I fear you may end up running too rich, but that is not such a bad thing.
Dynos that I have seen with cars running Venom nitrous typically start out lean and then level out. Tuners go nuts over this, but I know of not one single case where a motor has been ruined on a Venom system. I read my plugs and the only time where I see them get white is when I am spraying a lot, but they are never so white where you need to worry. In your case, you should be able to reduce this spike by richening up your fuel trims.
The Venom systems are vary safe, designed to run on a stock car, and is a great system for the guy who is worried about his motor and does not mind being a little conservative with the juice.
#5
11-07-2005, 09:14 AM
opps i am sorry he is rigth the venom will adjust for its self, but like i said you need to run stock or take some timing out of the stock tune, and adding a hair of fuel would be wise.
#6
11-10-2005, 05:15 AM
Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!
The Venom is self-tuning and as long as you stick with the standard nozzles that come with the kit, you will be fine. There is no such thing as a dyno tune with a Venom, because the Venom computer supliments the fuel addition, not the ECU.
As far as the the tuner is concerned, do not ever spray with your timing advanced. You can use the tuner to retard your timing or just leave the timing stock. But you will be safer if you retard your timing about 1 - 2 degrees especially if you are running stock heat range plugs.
You can add more fuel if yu want. This is probably not a bad idea, but not neccesary either. By richening up your a/f with the tuner, the ECU will call for more fuel and then when you spray, the Venom will just add a tad less. But, I fear you may end up running too rich, but that is not such a bad thing.
Dynos that I have seen with cars running Venom nitrous typically start out lean and then level out. Tuners go nuts over this, but I know of not one single case where a motor has been ruined on a Venom system. I read my plugs and the only time where I see them get white is when I am spraying a lot, but they are never so white where you need to worry. In your case, you should be able to reduce this spike by richening up your fuel trims.
The Venom systems are vary safe, designed to run on a stock car, and is a great system for the guy who is worried about his motor and does not mind being a little conservative with the juice.
As far as the the tuner is concerned, do not ever spray with your timing advanced. You can use the tuner to retard your timing or just leave the timing stock. But you will be safer if you retard your timing about 1 - 2 degrees especially if you are running stock heat range plugs.
You can add more fuel if yu want. This is probably not a bad idea, but not neccesary either. By richening up your a/f with the tuner, the ECU will call for more fuel and then when you spray, the Venom will just add a tad less. But, I fear you may end up running too rich, but that is not such a bad thing.
Dynos that I have seen with cars running Venom nitrous typically start out lean and then level out. Tuners go nuts over this, but I know of not one single case where a motor has been ruined on a Venom system. I read my plugs and the only time where I see them get white is when I am spraying a lot, but they are never so white where you need to worry. In your case, you should be able to reduce this spike by richening up your fuel trims.
The Venom systems are vary safe, designed to run on a stock car, and is a great system for the guy who is worried about his motor and does not mind being a little conservative with the juice.
#7
11-10-2005, 10:39 AM
don't trust the venom system to adjust anything. on the dyno my car went lean and never got better. With a tune it was good on ever pass.If you get this system get a bottle heater after having mine I will never run it without it.
#8
11-14-2005, 10:33 AM
You can not go wrong with a tune! The Venom system will adjust SOME parameters but you need the Tune as with any other Nitrous system to extract the most power out of it!
Example:
Stock Tune; 321rwhp & 416rwtq
Nitrous Tune; 361rwhp & 475 rwtq
Example:
Stock Tune; 321rwhp & 416rwtq
Nitrous Tune; 361rwhp & 475 rwtq
#10
11-15-2005, 10:21 AM
Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!
Holy crap Sam, was that using the same shot and bottle presure?
Venom says a lot of things in there manual that are not needed ie;
1- Bottle Heater
2- Nitrous pressure gauge
3- Purge
4- No xtra fuel or bigger inj. or pump
This is all due to the fact that yes the computer in the kit does adjust itself
but when the computer senses low bottle pressure for example then it cant give you the full shot! neither can any other system
When it senses a lean mixture due to pump or injectors being maxed out again it wont deliver the full shot! and in some cases it will shut off which is what i believe is designed to do!
Thats why i would get so many inconsistent runs
One week the car would pull hard run low 13s! following week no change and the car pull a high 13 
The system is great and very safe Ive had it for 5+ years
but without all the other variables it cant deliver to its full potential. Iam very happy with the car now. Hits high 12s @ 5000+ ft above sea level so just imagine what you can do at those lower elevations?
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