I know this has been brought up alot before. But i found this deal on craigslist.
http://lexington.craigslist.org/pts/1293210203.html
Ive heard of people adding them onto their v6's before, but is there a specific website that makes adaptor plates and such to make them work? Thanks, also tell me if its worth the price, or worth fooling with at all.

 

I reccomend going the procharger route, more power and comes with an intercooler. The Eaton is instant power, but if your not intercooled it is going to heak soak really bad... They are as "heatons" on the 03-04 cobra's. Either way that is really exspensive for a used blower without the tb and plenum... I would search svtp for a used eaton. You can find them with the tb and plenum for around 350, but honestly it will be cheaper if you just buy the whole kit with the upper and lower manifolds and all the mounting hardware then piecing it together.

 

http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/

also go to 3.8mustang.com there are huge threads and lots of info about the install and use of the m112 on the V6.
Essentials will be fuel upgrades, the adapter plate, the m112, and a larger hood to clear the m112 plus the miscellaneous little pieces. Guys with cams, ported heads and such are doing 330rwhp, just the supercharger is around 260-280rwhp.

 

Yeah thats great power, but that blower is not as efficient as say a vortech or a procharger....You are going to spend more money on that set up then if you were just to buy a procharger kit. Run about 12 lbs of boost and make around 330rwhp.

 

I would agree with that, just trying to show him some info on it though. The thing the m112 has going for it is a cool factor of something you don't see on many v6's and that is a roots style supercharger.

 

just do it right and grab a blower kit actually made for your car. Do you seriously want someone elses sloppy seconds when it comes to precision parts like compressor head units?

 

Thats not that bad of a price. I think you can get the whole M112 kit for about $2800 minus a tune from Mysteed at 3.8mustang.com The M112 does have its place in the V6 world, it does great to make up for the lack of low end torque compared to a V8. It does have its drawbacks though. I would suggest you do your homework before you buy any parts as it's not for everyone. Here is a good place to start http://www.3.8mustang.com/forum/sear...archid=3370687

 

haha excellent link to post.

should give plenty of info for the OP.

 

cool, and yeah, i am lookin for more of a roots type. I thought i could jew him down on that one to about 300, and get the kit on super six for about 900 n have a sc setup for 1200. the only thing im really worried about is finding a dyno around where i live...

 

also it has a 2.8 pulley on it.. is that more psi or less? i dont want much, just a whine and to say i have a S/C six.

 

The 2.8 is going to be quite a bit smaller than the stock pulley. I don't know what kind of boost your going to make with that to be honest. It all depends what sizer lower pulley you run and if the s/c has been ported or not. Just be prepared to buy a new hood for that s/c because it is not going to fit under your stock hood.

 

You need a pretty big cowl if you don't want a hole in the hood. A few of the guys have had to cut holes for the blower pulley on a 3" cowl. I think somenone finally found a brand of 3" that clears though.

 

yeah i seen that, id prob cut a hole for awhile, cops around here wouldnt care too much. in the end ive decided to run low boost. like at 4psi u wouldnt need a tune would ya? i dunno, i found me a bullitt for 8k and 110k miles with a 5speed that just may be more up my alley than sc'ing my car.

 

You are going to need a tune regardless if you run 4 lbs of boost or 20lbs of boost. If you can't dish out 300 dollars for a custom tune you shouldn't even mess with a power adder... Is it really worth it to cheap out on a $300 tune and chance a blown engine?

 

You would definately still want a tune but you might be able to get away with the stock injectors.

 

It's not really worth supercharging your car if you are only going to run 4lbs of boost. That just seems like a waste of money to me. I don't know even know what the car will make with that or if they even make a pulley to run that. I know the stock vortech pulley is a 3.6" and thats like 6-8lbs of boost. I would make sure you know what all you need before you start buying stuff. You need to factor in any fuel upgrades, the supercharger, the kit for it, tune, and whatever else you might need. It will most likely cost more than the $1200 you stated.

 

buy the Bullit. It's a WAY better starting point and is not slow. Plus it comes with big brakes and upgraded suspension. Don't waste money on a 6 if an 8 can be had. EDIT: and yeah, figure you're not getting out of it for less than about 3 grand. Don't forget the fuel system.

 

Its way cooler to have a six. J who is on 3.8 all the time is running Twin turbo TMA set up running 10s.

Price of a 99-04 v6 4-8 grand price of turbo/SC 3500ish. 300+hp with only 5-8lbs of boost for a turbo and 6-9 lbs of boost with a blower. Ive seen 335 RWHP with 7 psi on a eaton M112 on a v6.

Price of 99-04 v8 6-14 grand. 225 Hp is pathetic from a v8

Having a V-6 to spank V-8s all day and retain 19+ gas mileage is pretty much self explanatory.

I am going to be running a single turbo with 6-8 PSI making around 280-300 RWHP with stock internals

 

SVT focus fuel pump and 42lb injectors run you about 200-400 bucks. thats not alot.


5 Psi on a TMA single turbo beats bolt on GTs, G35s, runs with STIs.

 

Cute, I've got a buddy with a hellion turbo kit on a 2 valve, stock internals that runs 11.3's all day, without skinnies, just MT ET Steets on the back. 11.4s with his hoosier drag radials on 18s. 6 grand for the turbo kit, much more solid kit then the TMA, to be honest...

Now what if he were to spend a little extra cash, stroke the car, build the transmission, finish the suspension, and up the boost? 9s easily? Ya...

Simply put, to build a 6, you've either got to be going after something that no one else has, or knowing that not many 8s around are going to touch you, or you've got the cash to blow.

As far as an eaton setup on a v6 goes, IMO, not worth it. For that price I'd stroke the car and throw nitrous at it, or put a turbo on. If you really wanna do work, find a 3 valve or a 4 valve, put a turbo on, and scream it a day...I say scream, cause thats what you'll be doing...

 

He ran a 11.4 with saleen 18s and a weight of 4180lbs with the TT vert

 

And a cam, stroker, less heat, and a little more prepped for the track then that GT is.

Don't get me wrong, I know J, and hes a great person, and knows his ****. And a v6 can run hard, I won't knock one, considering I own one. However, with the amount of money you'll spend to take the car to the 11s..you'd probably take a GT to the mid-low 10s. It takes a person who doesn't care about just hauling *** to build one...because, cash for cash and mod for mod, a v8 will win..

 

When you buy an 8 your not only getting a bigger engine, you are also getting better breaks, better suspension, a better rear-end. Already you have a better platform to start on. I started off full bolt-ons and made 265 rwhp and 300rwtq through my auto. I wasn't satisfied, so I bought a used procharger kit for $2000 bucks and made 400rwhp through my auto, blew the transmission and bought a beefed up auto that can handle 800rwhp and has a lock up converter with a 3600 stall. That set me back $5000 parts + labor. I still wasn't satisfied so I am having a whole new longblock built to handle 1000rwhp and putting a kb 2.6 on it and going to run somewhere around 20lbs of boost and hope for about 600-650rwhp through the auto. This is going to set me back around 15 grand when its all done. I have dumped 25k into this car easily since I have had it, but I have enjoyed bit of it, and I love my car. Sure I could of easily just bought a 03-04 Cobra in the beginning, but I didn't and now I have a GT, that will surprise a **** load of Cobra's and probally spank their asses. What I am trying to say is if your happy with your six then don't let anyone try to knock it...If your happy thats all that matters. Start modding the **** out of it, but just remember you are going to have to throw more money to make it as fast as a v8, but the same goes starting with a v8 than a 03-04 Cobra.

 

Give this man a prize. Oh and I can't wait to see what you make on the new setup

 

I call BS. Maybe STOCK STis, but definitely nothing modded. Stock STis can hang with Cobras from a dig.

I think most of us here have seen our fair share of V6 builds, and cost versus cost reviews. But in the end everyone always forgets the important things like the brakes, suspension, rear end, trans. Sure building the motor you can get more horsepower than a V8 for less money, but on the street it is still a better built car. Once you throw in everything else, your wayyy past the price of a base V8 and some bolt-ons.

Not trying to stray you from building a nice sixxer, but if you want to say you'll come out cheaper in the end you're dreaming.



AND....for someone who has probably another 100 pounds of audio equipment, you're not going to beat anything....
Dynamat makes a car heavy as ****, along with those two twelves you have. So, don't even try this "I'll smoke a stock GT crap".

 

100lbs is something like 1/8th of a second i think?? not alot. I have shut off switches on the amps so their not running when I need better engine performance.

Their are 2 posts I put one saying having a six to spank a v8, (nothing in this post says anything about PSI)

the 2nd says 5 psi (BEAT) stock GT stock G35(DRAG RACE), and RAN with an STI on the highway.

I never said anything about smoking a GT...

Good thing about my sub box is that I can remove it. lost 70lbs right there.

 

100lbs of dead weight is with worth a tenth in the 1/4 mile. And 99-04 GT's are 260hp not 225 like the 96-98 cars.

And the v6 cars have the same suspension minus rear sway bar and same brakes as a GT anyhow. Nothing wrong with some v6 power.

 

Sure you might be able to spank some V8s, but don't think just cause you have a turbo on your 6 that you can take down the world. Sure it's different and can be cool, but a V6 still doesn't sound as coolas a V8 especially one that will be running a vortech with 9-10psi. Plus the original poster was talking about only running 4psi or some which doesn't seem worth the cost.

 

Sound? Don't give a damn about sound if I'm running hard.. actually, my little 6 doesn't sound too bad in person..

Regardless... if you want to get a car to run hard you're going to dish out some cash in things other then the motor...

Expect atleast 1 thousand on suspension
Expect the stock transmission to wear alot quicker
Expect to build a rear end, unless its already and 8.8
If you're a v6, expect the motor to blow up, unless you're already forged and/or stroked.

Running 4psi on an eaton on a v6 is a waste of time, money, and effort IMO..

I'd much rather see a vortech or a turbo go on a v6..

As far as the new guy goes.... you're bringing up people that I've already spoken to, you're bringing up hypothetical garbage, and making it sound easier then what it really is.

J didn't start running 9s just by slapping a turbo on that car, if you're thinking that, you're dead wrong. None of the guys running 11s on a v6 simply threw a turbo/procharger/vortech/nitrous on and started hitting 11s or better. It was thousands, upon thousands of dollars to get there. It was months of building, and no, if they were to run into a 2 valve, 3 valve, 4 valve, stroked, and with even a fraction of the boost or nitrous, chances are, that v8 is going to eat them alive. If you go to the track ever, it'll humble you.

I just got done with a build, I spent a SHITLOAD of money, no turbo, no supercharger, headaches like crazy, and I'm only running a 12.6? I'll tell you now, it isn't that easy, when these cars like STIs, Evos, GTs, ect, start putting some mods on, our little 6ers are in trouble.

Hate to say it, but I think I'm one of the few v6 guys that post on this forum now that has spent the cash to do something like what you want to do, and when I first started it all, I thought it was going to be that easy to just go plop 300+ RWHP.. wow how wrong I was. Take into account the issues that are going to come up, and yes ISSUES ARE GOING TO COME UP. Take into account that you're running stock internals on a turbo, thats scary in itself..

The fact you're still going to be running a 7.5 and a stock suspension with a stock transmission tells me the car isn't going to meet your expectations, unless you're just aiming low for 1/4 times. Also the fact that "someone is currently working on a v6 kit" means nothing. Hell they may just get done with it in 4 years and finally start producing them, or maybe you'll get lucky and they'll plop them out this year, but charge 6-7 grand.

I hate to try to stray people away from building a 6, I'd like to see a few guys on here do it..learning what sort of **** you're about to get yourself into is a big thing though. ***** gonna break, its going to be expensive to fix, the build itself is going to be expensive.

If you care about SPEED and nothing more, find a v8. If you want something different, you know you won't be the quickest around, build the v6. If you really want a v6 but wanna go fast, get a 06+ build the bottom end, get a vortech or a turbo up the boost a little and do work.

Now lets see who reads all this ****..and yes, I know I repeated myself a few times, but getting the point across is key..

Krenogin: a eaton or whatever roots style blower on a v6 isn't worth it. Personally, I'd get a vortech or a turbo.. yea the sound is cool, but so is the sound of a turbo or a diff style supercharger.

 

Yeah sound isn't going to win races or make you faster, but people get a V8 cause of the speed and the downright nastiness it makes when you hit the gas hard. I give props to people who go the route of the V6 and makes it their own, but I'm not a fan of the way one sounds. I've said it before, the only 6 I think sounds great, is a supra. Just my opinion and what I like. I agree with you on everything else though. Everything comes down to money and what you really want to achieve. If you want a pretty fast car without spending much money, then get a used GT and either slap a decent shot of NOS on it, or if thats not your thing, then piece together a Vortech kit like I did for under 2K and have fun.

Once you start going for big power, then prepare for a lot of work, time, and money money money. ANYTHING can be made fast for the right price. Just remember, there is ALWAYS something else out there that can hand you your ***.