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Old 03-18-2006, 11:41 AM
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I got one word- WOW..... frickin awesome- took me about 5 hours all together to install, wasnt too bad, would have taken a lot longer if it wasnt for MT#1customer, but anyways i tryed the 50 shot and the 75 shot so far( didn't try the 25 , I screwed up that nozzle) I think i am gonna wait for the 100, the 50 shot was unbeleiveable, but it was nothing compared to the to 75, man the car pulls so hard definatle get pushed bck into the seat hard. Ill keep you guys posted as far as the 100 shot and track time, overall i am very impressed and satisfied with this kit----Get it!!

going to race my bros 2006 gt now----we will see what happens--- ha ah
 
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Old 03-18-2006, 11:54 AM
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Dude, keep us posted and READ THOSE PLUGS! You should pull one or two just to make sure you are not running too lean...just as a backup.

You shoulod beat that 2006 on the 75 shot. Do you have the warmer installed? Because you will get about a 30% improvement by running your pressure around 950 psi.
 
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Old 03-18-2006, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by The2000GT
I got one word- WOW..... frickin awesome- took me about 5 hours all together to install, was too bad, would have taken a lot longer if it wasn't for MT#1customer, but anyways i tried the 50 shot and the 75 shot so far( didn't try the 25 , I screwed up that nozzle) I think i am gonna wait for the 100, the 50 shot was unbelievable, but it was nothing compared to the to 75, man the car pulls so hard definitely get pushed back into the seat hard. Ill keep you guys posted as far as the 100 shot and track time, overall i am very impressed and satisfied with this kit----Get it!!

going to race my bros 2006 gt now----we will see what happens--- ha ah
Yup now it will be 45 bucks a week for awhile. The first few hits are the best then you will know you are running out. Do you have a bottle warmer? The difference is amazing in my car when the pressure is up. Oh yea these guys are the best and I can also say if it had not of been for them, I would of been f*+&^%...
 
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Old 03-18-2006, 01:27 PM
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Well just got back from racing my brother with a 75hp shot, my bros mods are jlt cai, sct xcal 2, mganpack, eibach sportlines, off road h, First we raced from a stop didn't ( beat him off the line)activate the nitrous untill halfway through second gear- lost by a bumper length, second time raced from 20mph roll -dead even, third from stop light also even, ha cant wait until i get that nitrous tune and bottle warmer and oh yeah 100 shot
 
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Old 03-18-2006, 01:34 PM
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How did you wait until second to spray? Did you flip the enable swicth on the controller while driving? That is pretty hard to do.

BTW, the difference between the 75 and the 100 shot with the bottle warmer is that you will be adding almost twice as much juice when you hit as you are now.
 
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Old 03-18-2006, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!
How did you wait until second to spray? Did you flip the enable swicth on the controller while driving? That is pretty hard to do.

BTW, the difference between the 75 and the 100 shot with the bottle warmer is that you will be adding almost twice as much juice when you hit as you are now.
Really? I guess the bottle warmer is worth it, could you point me in the right direction of a good bottle warmer?
 
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Old 03-18-2006, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!
How did you wait until second to spray? Did you flip the enable swicth on the controller while driving? That is pretty hard to do.

BTW, the difference between the 75 and the 100 shot with the bottle warmer is that you will be adding almost twice as much juice when you hit as you are now.
You can see if you look at the post;NITROUS BUTTON here in power adders.. I made an activation button and drilled out my shifter and when I want to spray all I have to do is push the button.:clap: This is only after it is armed,you can see all the switches in the photo also the arming,bottle warmer and purge.
 
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Old 03-18-2006, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper
Are Nitrous systems street legal?????????????
I don't see why not.
 
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Old 03-18-2006, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by The2000GT
Well just got back from racing my brother with a 75hp shot, my bros mods are jlt cai, sct xcal 2, mganpack, eibach sportlines, off road h, First we raced from a stop didn't ( beat him off the line)activate the nitrous untill halfway through second gear- lost by a bumper length, second time raced from 20mph roll -dead even, third from stop light also even, ha cant wait until i get that nitrous tune and bottle warmer and oh yeah 100 shot
You'd smoke him right now you had the 4:10s.
 
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Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper
I found out what im looking for.

Nitrous is legal in colorado, you just cant have it hooked up when yer driving around.
Well what they don't know won't hurt them
 
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75 shot - losing ...sounds like maybe ur not driving so well or something is wrong...very wrong.
 
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Originally Posted by brucespot
You can see if you look at the post;NITROUS BUTTON here in power adders.. I made an activation button and drilled out my shifter and when I want to spray all I have to do is push the button.:clap: This is only after it is armed,you can see all the switches in the photo also the arming,bottle warmer and purge.
Yeah, but he has a Venom system. It activates entirely differently. The system is fully automatic...long story. And, I also know that he does not have a second switch added to do as you claim. If he wanted to, he can because the venom is pre-wired to accept a second switch for manual activation, but he still has to be at WOT.
 
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Originally Posted by The2000GT
Really? I guess the bottle warmer is worth it, could you point me in the right direction of a good bottle warmer?
Look at this way, you are squeezing nitrous throw a hole. There are two ways to add more nitrous, either increase the size of the hole, or increase the pressure on the bottle.

As the temp increases, the pressure in the bottle increases. The relationship is linear and is based on Boyles Law:

PV/T = P1V1/T where P = Pressure; T=Temp; V=Volume

So, as you increase T adn the V stays the same, pressure increases linearly.

At 85 degrees, you will be around 950 psi. At 60 degrees, you will be at something like 600 psi (I am too lazy to do the math).

Venom rates the nozzles over a range. What you are calling the 75 shot, is really more like a 60 - 80 shot depending on what bottle pressure you are at.
So, using a bottle warmer will make for a bigger shot.

Now, while racing your brother, you were probably only putting down about 50 hp to the rear wheels which is only about enough hp to make up the difference between your car and his car. But, when you go the larger nozzle at greater pressure, it will make a huge difference.

I once hit it for about three seconds at 1500 psi and I about broke my back. It was really stupid, but the bottle over-heated in the trunk and I wanted to drop some pressure so I sprayed.

I paid $100 for a NOS bottle warmer on ebay.
 
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Woah...he just broke out some Real Gas Laws....I haven't seen those used in like 6 years. Good job.
 
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Old 03-18-2006, 08:50 PM
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I am so jealous!:helpsmili My wife's grand cherokee with a Hemi seems faster than my car. I won't race her because I'm afraid it is.
 
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Kinda a newbie question... With nitrous, is there anyway that someone on the outside could tell from your car when your spraying it? I.E.: sounds? exhaust get louder? and "flames" from the tailpipes, anything at all?

EX: like with superchargers theres that whine/whistle
 
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Old 03-18-2006, 10:28 PM
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well when i spray you can tell because the car hits a lot harder and quiker, and the tires spin real bad and sometimes there is a kind of a quiet pop cant really explain it, but to someoen that has no idea about nitrous they would have no clue, also i dont know if my bro was just imagining this but he aid he could smell the nitrous, hes probably crazy
 
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Old 03-19-2006, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by The2000GT
Well just got back from racing my brother with a 75hp shot, my bros mods are jlt cai, sct xcal 2, mganpack, eibach sportlines, off road h, First we raced from a stop didn't ( beat him off the line)activate the nitrous untill halfway through second gear- lost by a bumper length, second time raced from 20mph roll -dead even, third from stop light also even, ha cant wait until i get that nitrous tune and bottle warmer and oh yeah 100 shot
Sounds like you didnt have ANY bottle pressure........ You should have stomped that GT from a stop and a roll. Even with a 50 shot I think youll pull at least a car on him. Go ahead and throw the 100 shot in since you dont have a heater. Itll be like a 75 shot w/good pressure...lol.. If you setup the nitrous the right way you will be twice as fast as you are now. You were running really rich and that kills performance.
 
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Old 03-19-2006, 02:46 PM
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If I got the NX Gen 2 kit and the NX Ford EFI kit, is that like the kenne bell of Nitrous? lol. I'm somewhat looking into this now.

What else do I need? Fuel pump? Spark plugs? injectors?
I'll def get a dyno tune. Do I need any gauges like fuel pressure or something along the lines of a boost gauge with a s/c?

And what's a purge and window switch, hehe, i need help, lol
 
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Old 03-19-2006, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by whitethunder46
If I got the NX Gen 2 kit and the NX Ford EFI kit, is that like the kenne bell of Nitrous? lol. I'm somewhat looking into this now.

What else do I need? Fuel pump? Spark plugs? injectors?
I'll def get a dyno tune. Do I need any gauges like fuel pressure or something along the lines of a boost gauge with a s/c?

And what's a purge and window switch, hehe, i need help, lol
Definately Definately go with the plate KIT.And yes its like a small Kenne Bell at the flip of a switch! LOL.

You will need: NGK TR6 Plugs gapped at .035. nitrous pressure guage, bottle heater, fuel switch, and a window switch. Thats a nice setup.
 
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Doesnt the bottle heater come with the NX Gen 2 kit?


WHAT does a window/fuel/and purge switch do?
 
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Old 03-19-2006, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by whitethunder46
Doesnt the bottle heater come with the NX Gen 2 kit?


WHAT does a window/fuel/and purge switch do?
Yea it comes with the kit. The GEN X2 is the way to go it includes everything you need to make a safe nitrous system but I really do recommend a window switch.

A fuel switch prevent a lean condition that is caused from low fuel pressure. Itll cut the nitrous off if the fuel pump cant put out at least 36psi. its also adjustable to 60psi. The window switch will only allow the nitrous to spray within a specific RPM range. Like 3000- 5800. This prevents you from a nitrous backfire and keeps you from hitting the rev limiter while on the spray. A purge is for clearing the nitrous line of air. It allows the system to hit faster and possible faster E.T's. I dont use one right now and Im very satisfied with how it hits. Theyre great for show.
 
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Old 03-19-2006, 03:21 PM
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Well I can have my car dyno tuned for free anytime I want, and I have the XCal2. So since I can do that, I shouldnt run lean, do I still need a fuel switch.

And do I need to upgrade fuel pump or injectors?

I'll have all the bolt ons except U/D pulleys
 
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Originally Posted by whitethunder46
Well I can have my car dyno tuned for free anytime I want, and I have the XCal2. So since I can do that, I shouldnt run lean, do I still need a fuel switch.

And do I need to upgrade fuel pump or injectors?

I'll have all the bolt ons except U/D pulleys
The fuel switch just costs like 50 bucks and you can install it easily. Its just cheap insurance. Since you are on the stock pump I say you really do need to have one. With the NX your gonna make some power and it puts alot of load on the pump. You would probably be fine without one but its good peace of mind.

If you are staying below a 100 shot then your stock pump should be fine. Anything above that and Id get a focus pump or an aviator. You can go above a 100 shot on the stock pump but a Fuel switch is almost necessary then. The Dyno tune will fix you A/F ratio under spray but the stock pump can get weak and eventually lean out the A/F ratio because of low fuel pressure.
 
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no you dont need injectors.....
 
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Old 03-19-2006, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jeredan2003
Sounds like you didnt have ANY bottle pressure........ You should have stomped that GT from a stop and a roll. Even with a 50 shot I think youll pull at least a car on him. Go ahead and throw the 100 shot in since you dont have a heater. Itll be like a 75 shot w/good pressure...lol.. If you setup the nitrous the right way you will be twice as fast as you are now. You were running really rich and that kills performance.
yeah i will be buying a bottle heater tonight and indtalling the colder plugs and i will get a nitrous tune this week, then everything should be good.
 
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