Future President??
 

Regardless of their party affiliation or views, in general is America ready to elect a minority or woman President??

THIS IS NOT A OBAMA OR CLINTON THREAD....JUST A GENERAL QUESTION.

i dunno if we're ready but Clinton is surely a great canidate to run for president. probably the only woman right now that i would somewhat trust with the Gov't. the only question i have, is it really gonna be hilary really running the Govt or is it Bill? ya know?

I honestly think major East and West Coast and some major cities in the Mid-West wouldn't have a problem with electing a minority or woman president, but I'm not sure the rest of the country is ready for that.

I think the country is more than ready, especially given the record of the Old Boys network that exists currently in D.C. I voted for Bill Clinton twice and knew I'd be voting for Hillary when she finally ran for the office. As for who'd actually be in charge if Hillary was elected, I think Hillary can hold her own against anyone, besides, having a former President as your partner in office isn't a bad idea.

Hillary is un-electible, but she will have a big impact on the elections. The Dems will make the same misstake they always do and move too far to the left. I fyou want to win the election, you have to pick a candidate that can win....not just get the nomination.

I'm sure as hell not voting for Hilary or Obama....

Scott

In a word.. No. Neither one of them have a chance.

As little as the majority of voters pay attention to the candidates, do you honestly think that americans are going to vote for someone with the name barak obama(sp?)? I honestly heard that name and first thought into my mind was it sounded like he was from afghanistan(sp) or something..

As far as hilary.. what a joke.. no chance.

I know I won't be voting for either of them. :flamed:

Since these are two Dem. nominations I'll look at it from the dem stand point...

Obama I think is a bit young, and maybe too exotic to grab swing voters, but I think it would be a positive image on the global scale. so Not really for Obama

Hilary I think has a pretty good chance for the nomination, partly because Dem.'s LOVE Clinton's...as for her swing appeal its pretty much up to how she comes off. Alota people have made up their mind about her, either they love her or hate her...

The Republicans have left the door wide open for the White House, but the Dems are gonna screw-up the opportunity by going too far to the left.

To combat this, the Rebs are moving to the center with their leading contenders and as a result, will get a lot of the old "Reagan Democrat" votes. Meanwhile, the Democrats will have a hard time getting any votes with the Obama or Clinton from the Republicans.

If you will note. Hillary has softened some of her positions over the past year as she gets ready for this move.

Also, the Liberals while they have been firmly against the War, have no solution because really none exists. That will weaken their platform and during the primaries this will become extremely obvious as all the candidates will beat up on eachother with their own deas.

The perfect candidate that the Dems have is Lieberman from a position standpoint. However, as a Jew, he can't make a serious run at it. But is platform is a perfect winning solution for the Democrats.

not to bust your balls or anything but R U CRAZY? Lieberman...come on bro, your not serious? Lieberman isn't in a good possition at all.

And why is it that the Dem's always have to screw up, or that they only win when rep. don't... what is this the Fox news network... the problem with the rep. platform is that after 8 yrs you have to run a campain based on what you've acomplished and America just voted a couple months ago saying they didn't approve of that. It really has become a joke how corrupt many members of the Rep. party have been. From interns to fraud conspiracy I just don't take the party seriously... It'll be interesting to see who gets nominated from the Rep. party...honestly I would love to see John McCain go for it, he's one of the few guys I would trust...

well, having read several of your posts in the past I would have bet a million dollars on that one.

Anyway, this thread wasn't intended to be an Obama or Clinton for President thread....it was just a general question, but you guys took the easy route and went right for Obama and Clinton.

Hilary has done it once,and not well.

+1 and I like your car too.

Water is 100% dead on man. Bush has single handedly caused a major swing in the house and senate. But the dems are shooting themselves in the foot with the presidential nomination. Clinton has very little if any shot at winning, she is too far left to get any republican support and probably very little swing vote.

The two main Republican candidates are McCain and Guiliana, both of which would annialate Clinton and imo both would do a far better job.

I dont think other than ignorant redneck idiots that most people would not object to either a woman or a minority president, but I would never vote for Clinton and I think Obama would be a good choice in 2012 or 2016. He is far too young and inexperinced to be president.

Bush hasn't single handedly done that. That fact is most Americans are to ball less to finish this thing. Hell,were just dumb.We voted Slick Willy in two times.

Hey....read my post again. I said "....from a POSITION standpoint". I never said the guy would win, in fact, I said he would not. BUT, his positions are generally viewed as not being liberal, but in fact, even conservative. His positions would put the Dem party in a great position if they would nominate someone like him.

No, actually Bush has done this on his own. Remember, perception is reality. The root causes don't matter, or the fact that even if the Dems had the White House right now would we be in any different position, but the fact is, it is Bush's policies....he is the man at the helm and will take the blow for it.

Want to see the guy get thrown under the bus??? Wait for the elections to draw near and see the Rep candidates run from Bush. In fact is Bush is smart, he won't endorse a candidate. This is the same position that Clinton found himself in 8 years ago.

I think your right, we are dumb....we voted Bush in twice. If you think the swing in Congress isn't because of President Bush then your blind and deaf. And please tell me what "finish this thing" means? Does it mean that we stay there and fight for 20 more years? I don't have the answer and I don't think you do either, but it seems to me that if we continue to do what we are doing now we'll be there forever.

I was at a US Veterans Affairs hearing all day on Friday because they are going to possibly close one of our VA hospitals and there were two women that couldn't have been older than 25 who were on breathing machines and wheelchairs because they couldn't walk anymore. They both spoke in favor of keeping the hospital open, but I kept thinking to myself....what in the F*** are we doing in Iraq that these two women have their life ruined...... I mean seriously....WTF are we doing? Please don't tell me fighting terrorism there rather than here because that's crap.

Since we are kind of getting off the topic of what the original question was I'll go along with it also.....I've only voted Democrat since I was 18, and quite frankly I'm not sure that I like Hillary, I like Obama, but I don't think he's ready. To be honest, I actually kinda like Giuliani. He's somewhat ok on social issues, but fiscally conservative, which I'm ok with. However, I don't think HARDCORE Republicans like him very much because he's not enough a Jesus freak. However, I think he would get some Dems to vote for him.

All I ask in our next President is that he/she is more in tune with social issues for what they are rather than what's in the bible....it's ok to have faith, but don't base your decisions effecting the entire country on your faith, but what the information states.

Huckabee

Well, call me an ignorant redneck idiot then....

Scott

Thanks for the props on the car. I finally being able to enjoy it myself a little bit after 3 months of downtime, but that is a whole other story...

Scott

A thread worthy of being posted in....

Anyways Obama and CLinton got nothing i'm sorry to say they are there for show and to make the election intresting do they have anything to offer our govermant hells no they dont, have you seen anything they have been doing to be seen Hilary is going around trying to get on people's good side and for me personally I think shes a nut grabber for all I care.

There are certain things I look for in a president in this time and age. Fair, doesnt do dumb s***, takes into account for actions, also and I hate to say this but it's true they NEED a military background, i'll explain myself right now were in a conflict that wont resolve anytime soon military people have a understanding of security and what needs to be done on foreign soil at the same time they need to be conservative in this aspect.

I'm dead set on McCain I hope he runs, last time he ran my heart sank when he through in the towel because of a medical issue. So far he is the only one that can actually stand back and go whats going on and what needs to be done. More than enough experience in that man than Edwards, Hilary, Obama combined.

Oh he absolutely has man, and dont think I am a lefty liberal because I am not. I voted for Bush twice. He did pretty well in his first term, but in the second he has seemed to get arrogant and think that what he feels best is what the people and the rest of the world want. Well its not.

Now the libs blame Bush for everything imaginable which is just silly. Most of the things that Bush has done where done in every presidancy such as wire taps, spying, etc.

Bush needed to formulate an exit strategy years ago, but even now since we have been in the war on terror we still have no idea of how or when its going to end. That being said it seems to me that most liberal candidates continually bitch about Iraq and Bush, but none seem to propose any ideas or solutions on how to make it better.

I think in alot of cases liberals seem to be all talk, but the people have spoken and even conservatives and most swing votres are voting againts republicans.

If said candidate is the best, what valid reason other than being sexist and racist would you have for not voting someone in? Its kinda sad that this still exists today.

So just to be clear so everyone knows where your coming from.....you wouldn't vote for a person because the color or their skin or woman?

This is kinda why I posted this thread....I think there are still lots of people out there who think like Tangerine and I'm sorry to say it's just flat out sad.

I agree McCain would be one of the few Rep. canidiates who would be able to get things done with a Democratic congress.

But as for Guiliani I honestly don't know if he'd do well as a Pres. he's certainly well respected in NY but running a city and running the country aren't the same bag. I'd have to hear his possitions on everything, esspecially Iraq.

Also, Obama has alot to potentially ad to America...electing a Muslim Candiate would gain huge points in foreign affairs. Something the U.S. despretely needs.

Obama is not muslim, the stories of him attending muslim schools and being a radical muslim are false. His father was raised muslim but no longer practices it.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Too bad huh, but judging my his avitar its not suprising.

McCain has got this if he can follow through this time. He really is liked by both parties, myself being a democrat still sees him as a strong leader.

Guiliani who?..lol seriously I dont see him doing much I bet he runs out of money before he can get to the primarys.

I didnt know about Obama untill news actualy picked on him. I think he's playing this whole first potential dark skinned president thing way too much and thats all he has to boot.

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Guiliani who?..lol seriously I dont see him doing much I bet he runs out of money before he can get to the primarys. QUOTE]

I know he's trying to raise money like crazy because he's out in Cali right now fundraising....and in Silicon Valley rubbing elbows with all of the tech industry. We'll see what happens, but I'm not sure Guiliani is very popular with hardcore republicans and I'm not sure that McCain is either, but the are both kind of in the middle and that's what America needs....someone that isn't crazy left or right

Eh. I dont care if if the canidate is white or not, nor do i care if it is a woman, all i care about is they try to do something to repair all the damage the retard currently in office has inflicted.

I bet you''l complain if Hilary or Obama gets into office, neither of them will be able to fix the s*** were in. Hilary most likely will whore herself out to the other countries then when they find out shes a man WW3 will erupt...lol..jk:salook:

This is true!!!!!

I agree with jack....I wish people wouldn't elect or chose not to elect politicians because of stupid ass rhetoric. This country needs a hard ass guy(whom ever it may be) who is not afraid to tell it straight about how things really are. But the sad part is, he wont get elected, even though thats what we need. Sure getting re-elected is what every politician wants, but sometimes it makes a good guy worthless because what he may say or does is not the right thing as people percieve it should be, even though its what we really need.

Everybody needs to wake up a little bit and realize sometimes the hard road is the better road..for us all. I look at john edwards who came out and said that he'll raise taxes. holy shit, thats politcial suicide.....but we may need that to some extent, but no one wants to admit it....because...they wont get re-elected. and many people think that cutting taxes helps us all. well i guess its how the cuts are done and how raising them is done, its a balance. what is the right way, i dont know, but i do know someting needs to be done.

to many people are talkers and we dont have enough doers period. I just wish more people realize this. everyone wants something for nothing, and that isn't how things really are. we have gotten fat and lazy as a country and forgotten that sometimes a little bit of sacrifice goes a long way to the greater good. we have become engrossed in hot button issues like constitutional amendment banning gay marriage...wtf i dont care if two guys or girls want to do that, it doesn't affect me what so ever. if they want to be gay and married ok, it doesnt cause me to lose my job or affect my ability to buy a house or a car. or terry shiavo...goddam congress passed a law to affect ONE man..thats total bs. and today anna nicole smith is all over every news channel still, i dont give a **** about her, her baby or any of her shit..that should've been a 30 second story tops...move the **** on. people die in this country everyday, why dont we afford them coverage as well. istead we focus on some overly rich half retared bimbo who couldn't win a first grade spelling bee and also doesn't even know who the father of her own child is....WTF..


ok my :2cents: is over.....:2gunsfiring1:

Damn dude, i couldnt have said it better myself!
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Arnold schwarzenegger for president...lol...that hard ass enough...come on think about it what country is going to f*** with us when we they see this is our president

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i'm just messing around

I'm glad you guys see it the same way i do. I just sooooo fed up with the bs in this country and I blame the modern media for a lot of it. They turn nothing into a great big something, i bet they could get a national ban on pop tarts if they wanted too. One thing i would love to see is a nation wide forum for regular americans to ask high ranking, i do mean high rank officials direct questions. My questions wouldn't be about the war or whose fault it is,,thats old shit. I would ask why no car made in the USA is allowed to be shipped to and sold within japan, china and south korea. but they can send (excluding china) millions of cars here to be sold. or why japan is allowed to purposefully de-value its currency and provide subsaties (sp?) to its car producers which in turn allows them to be sold here for less than they are acctually made for? and if i get some bs, tip toe around the bush answer I would say, " are you going to answer my question or not!, cause if your not why the **** do you have the job you do?" thats the type of questioning these guys need, not a room full of reporters who stick to wrong topics and ask questions that dont matter to you and I.

I get so tired of hearing about who caused the war or who messed up 4 years ago...forget it, its over, done in the past. We need to move on and start righting the ship and stop pointing fingers. we need to stop saying its the dems, or its the gop...we all ****ed up...period...lets move on and work together. last time i checked, we are ALL americans, and we ALL have a duty to help each other out. we need to toughen up on a lot of things, trade, tax loop holes, out of country outsourcing and ass-****ing the middle class...that has got to stop among all things. we are a nation built and sustained on the shoulders of the middle class. without us this nation comes to grinding hault, period.

+1

with the exception of the Outsourcing, thats the best thing for America and it's trading partners...Walmart wouldn't exisit without outsourcing and neither would hundreds of company's...ie the higher the profits for these company's the better chance they have of earning a high Net Income and eventually moving toward expansion.

Amen to that :beerchug:

As for everyone bashing me because of my political beliefs and my avatar, you can go :xself: :action-smiley-052: . We would be the laughing stock of the world if Hilary or any other woman gets elected President. It is not always just about us as a nation. We are a dominant part of this world and others across the world do look up to us (some do, some don't). And in some cultures, it is not a cultural belief to do business with a woman. You have to consider that having a woman leader may hurt us in our worldly efforts, not necessarily for war, but just generally trade and other business. And as for a minority based on race or national origin or whatever, I just believe that someone from the majority should lead. A president should be someone that represents the majority of the populace, hence why we have an election and the person getting the majority of the votes wins.

Sooooorry that the white man happened to be the one that founded this nation and guided it through a revolution and helped it grow into the great worldly power that it is today. We got in this whole terrorist situation mainly because of our liberal immigration policies. If you don't let all these freakin' people come over here crowding us up, we would be in a much better situation. While we do have economic growth as it is, we would be much more economically better off if we could get the population growth lower (lower the number of immigrants for starters), relative to growth of GDP.

I could rant all day. Bottom line, everyone has their beliefs and they are entitled to them. I have laid it out there what I believe, as much as possible in a setting such as this and I stick by everything that I say. If it offends someone, oh well, they can get the f*** over it.

I'll finish by saying that each day that draws closer the likelihood of Hilary getting elected is another day that passes that makes Canada look more and more appealing. I could probably deal with Obama more than I could Hilary, but I'll take Guiliani when given the opportunity to cast my vote.

Scott

I agree, you should go to Canada! You can hang out with all of the WHITE French people up there... ha ha ha....I respect your right to express your views, and that's what makes this country great, but if the rest of the world doesn't want to "deal" with a woman then they can kiss our ass cause they NEED us way more than we need them so they'll just have to get over it.

I do agree with your last statement though....Obama>Guiliani>Hillary....Again, I just don't think Guiliani is "Republican" enough for that party....he's too much in the middle and probably isn't enough of a bible thumper.

Are you on crack? Outsourcing is good for america?

Sending Jobs that AMERICANS could have so a company can get some tax cuts, pay less, and NOT reduce the cost of thier product?

I dont see how reducing jobs in america, ESPECIALLY in the technical industry which provides income for so many middleclass familys, could ever be considered a good thing.

Keep jobs in america. It doesent matter if i can get a product for cheaper if i dont have a job to pay for the product with.