Post your thoughts on Bush and his administration.

I would have to say nothing less than his is a flaming moron. Unless you haven't noticed, about 70% of America agrees with me. His approval rating is into the 30%'s and is getting lower. I don't have time to point out all of his down-falls, and I'm sure I don't know all of them, but here is a short outline of a few of them.

Here's the big one, oil. Ofcourse he is best friends with one of the largest over-seas oil companies, which just happens to be over in Iraq and Kuwait right now. As many of you saw from the movie Jarhead, in Operation Desert Shield we had our soldiers protecting his dad's buddy's oil rigs. Now he is doing the same with his own in the current conflict in the Middle-east. Also, when Clinton was in the office, he put forth a bill that alternate fuel source vehicles had to be so far into production in the next 10 years that they could be sold for the average working-class citizen. It also said it would help fund much of the research. Within the first 3-months of Bush being in office, the bill was terminated. Why would he want vehicles running off of ethonal or hydrogen when Bush's buddies own oil companies? Luckly many of the car companies are still working on these alternative fuel sources, but they aren't nearly as far along as they could be if they had the government helping them out. Not only would this help the enviornment and economy, but it would be a hell of a lot cheaper than paying 60 bucks every time you fill up your car.

That's my schpeel on the whole oil deal. You can elaborate, flame, or refute.

 

I think you're a flaming moron, because you might notice..most of the people on this forum are part of that 30%

 

I'm not saying anything against people who support Bush, I just want to know some of the good things he does for the country, and how that out-weighs all the other negative things he's doing now.

 

I don't see how any red blooded american can sit there and call our commander in cheif an idiot.

You act like Bush is the only president in the history of time that has messed up...newsflash: he's not...

There's nothing that pisses me off more than all you liberals joining the "I hate bush" bandwagon..when you really have NO idea what you're talking about

 

I have no idea what I'm talking about? He hasn't done any of those things I stated in my first post? I never said he was the only president to mess up either, but that's no reason to say that it's ok for him to do this stuff because presidents in the past have. Jackson, Buchanan, and some of the other presidents that are known for bad decisions were critisized for their mistakes too. The only reason I point Bush out is because he is still alive... and because he can fix some of these issues. The problem is that he chooses not to, or he is too incompetent to do so.

 

I'm not part of the 30%, but badfish is right..... most people of this site are rednecks that live in the mid-west or non urban parts of the east coast....so I just try not to comment on threads like this cause telling the 30% that Bush is an idiot is like trying to convince a nun to give you a BJ....it's not happening! ha ha ha

 

Where are you guys getting that I'm insulting people that like Bush? I never once insulted anyone other than Bush himself; everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I respect that. The other 30% are the people in America, not this site, that approve of his presidency. I'm trying to get a conversation about him going but no one is actually posting about the good things that he has done in office. I just want someone that is for him to explain on why they think he is a good president, or someone that doesn't like him to add on to what I said. I just touched the surface with the oil issue.

 

I think Bush was a good man, and he still is a good man... thats my two cents.

 

I personally think the man is a puppet.

 

you want to know some of the good things he has done for our country, how about going to war. paying thos sons of bi*ches back for what they did on 9/11. im proud to say my dad has dropped many of those bombs (B-1 bunker buster FTW).

 

hell yeah

 

He might of went to war but hes not paying the sons of bitches who did it back. what did sudam do to us? All he did was start a civil war in irag.

I will not comment anymore just had to throw a few things on my mind in there.

 

you're defending sadam? lol. who cares, he's a peice of **** and deserves whats comming to him and more.

 

exactly. if i would have been the soldier who found him in his hole, i would have just tossed a grenade in there and just pretend that i didnt know someone was in there. oops

 

I partially agree with you. It seems that you are kind of defending what Sadaam did, and I don't agree with that. I do agree that we haven't paid back the sons of bitches that helped with 9/11. We've killed innocent people and have had our loyal soldiers killed, but we are yet to have found Osama. Sadaam had nothing to do with 9/11, but he still was a nice find.

 

I wouldn't have even been that nice. I would like to be the judge for his case and I'd have a 2 square ft. cage built in the middle of Death Valley and have him stuck in there with no food or water so he could rot.

 

I dont defend what he did, but he had those people scared to death(literally). If they stepped out of line he didnt give a **** he would kill both party's now there is just a all out civil war there. So in my opinion you have to weigh the good with the bad and see if it was worth it or not. Im not siding with one side either way.

 

You know why I like Bush? Because at least he is consistent....even if he is wrong - lol

BTW, 30% approval rating? Means nothing since most Americans are only concerned about themselves and their own pocket books.

 

I wouldn't necessarily call being consistently wrong a good quality...

 

i dont now anythign about politics but i ahve watched bushes announcments and speeches never understand fully wut they were about

but i dont like the way he tlks he tlks very unsure of himself and has a studdering problem which idk just bothers me i think the president should no exactly wut to say all the time and it seems to me that he has to think and lie about sum things that he says

 

Wow, some of you people are missing the point of this here discussion.

Lets back up and review here...


I have my right to free speech, and yes I do think that our president is doing more wrong than right. Would I say he is a flaming idiot, probably not, but I dont see the majority of his policies even producing what they were supposed to do.

Every president has messed up over time, but Bush is unique as when he is in a corner he and his administration will deny that they ever said something, even though the administration really did say what someone is claiming they said. This has happened numerous times, and frankly im not too happy with a government that constantly lies to its people, even though they are caught red handed.

I havn't liked Bush since day one. Im not a liberal hippie though, and I dont jump on any bandwagon. Based on the evidence that was presented on Iraq and its ties to Al Qaeda, I did not see that the war in Iraq was something that is justified.

Let me clarify something here: Was Saddam bad, yes. Very. He was a horrible human being, as were his sons. Was he a DIRECT threat to US national security, no, not at that present time. Remember, there have been NO proven ties that Iraq funded Al Qaeda or supported OBL.

Im also not too pleased that the whole subject of the war has changed, yet nobody gives a flying ****. We ****ed up when we invaded and have put ourselves into a large quagmire on how to get out. In short, we have set the grounds for a civil war in Iraq. The powder-keg is already about to burst.

How is sacrificing 3000+ American soldiers for a cause that the majority of the country doesn't even back anymore something that is good? There were no ties to Iraq and Al Qaeda. I don't know why this cannot be seen, when multiple government positions (both Conservative and Liberal) have both come to the same conclusion, there was no tie between them.

Invading Afganistan, very much so justified. Iraq, not so much. The whole point of that invasion was to stop Saddam from having these WMD's and to punish him for his suspected ties with OBL. Both have come up with a big 0 on the scoreboard. Suddenly its Iraqi Freedom. Do the Iraqi's deserve to not be under a dictator with an iron fist, absolutely, but I dont think the large amount of civilian deaths justify that freedom.

Creating the grounds for a civil war in any country is not something that you chalk up on the "good things I have done" list.

Yeah and then there is this amazing thing called the Geneva Convention. You do that and, although you might be glorified, you will hurt the position of the US Troops in Iraq and turn even more of the world stage against us.

There are already Marines in trouble because of their itchy fingers in Iraq, shooting civilians, seemingly intentionally. **** like that doesn't help our position there.

Yes and no on this one. Bush doesnt care because he doesnt have to worry about being re-elected. I personally don't think that the US as a population wish to put their pocketbooks in front of the well-being of the entire country. Then again, who knows. We're Americans.

BTW, many of the republicans in the house and senate are going to be losing their seats to Democrats because of the decisions of this Congress and Adminstration. I would NOT be suprised to see a Democratically dominant house and senate for the final two years of Bush's presidency. Already many Republicans are trying to distance themselves from Bush and his policies. Having your majority leader also be indited and then step down also says that there is quite a lot of corruption throughout the party, at least thats what it says to me.

Only 4 Majorly conservative states truely support Bush and the Republican Congress right now, the tide of change is upon the entire US. Many Americans are not happy with the way things are going period, and I think that this election season a lot of voices are going to be heard even clearer.

 

Great point. I think the reason that Bush is just getting worse and worse is the fact that if he screws up this term, what does it do to him? He still gets his benefits after he's out of office and he can live an over-rated life. I think it's wrong that he is just chilling on his second term here because he doesn't have to worry about being elected again. He still has the responsibility of running the country to the best of his ability.

 

Yet another outstanding point. We originally went in to discover weapons of mass destruction, but when we didn't find any, Bush had to think of something real good to explain why we sent billions of dollors worth of tomahawk missles there overnight. Well I guess we can say we're going to liberate Iraq by blowing the **** out of the city. Sounds pretty consistent huh?

 

well im glad that the choice of war dosent rest in the hands of some people on this thread. but all you other guys on here that back Bush and this war, all i have to say is good on you guys. and if i was going to war i would want someone like Badfish on my 6 covering me. i wouldnt want someone like coughshamblescough covering my 6, i would be too afraid that he would say something like "we shouldnt be here, this isnt right" and then he'd lift up his dress and run home.

 

I like bush
he is a great president
he speaches aren't the greatest but hey he speaks like you and me
he doesn't take any crap

I am sick and tired of hearing the reason we are at war is because of oil, just shut up and stop crying fricken babies, in some ways it will be good when bush is out (witch i dont think should ever happen) because then we dont have to hear you little babies cry about our president waaaa waaaa waaa....... Do you think Al fricken Gore or John Retard Kerry would be doing a better job???

"What did Saddam do to us?"
well I dont think that is really the question, what did he do to everyone including his people, saddam killed and killed many of his people for his military, he even tortured and killed his own brother, he invaded and went to war with the countries around him, for nothing... He was like the neighborhoodf bully and we are like the people on the block that wont take his ****. We cant just let people in this world do whatever they want, sooner or later we have to stand up to whats evil....What did he do to us.. that is the most selfish comment anyone could say about the situation, thats the problem with some americans today, only care about themselves, if you take **** like this go on in the world its gonna bit you in the *** sooner or later, and your gonna say why didn't we do anything? you just gotta lookat the big picture thats all

 

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Hey Shambles, I know you think during the next election that there is going to be a huge upheaval and you could be right. Problem is, you live in Philly. Don't underestimate the power of rural America. If you have never lived in rural American, you can't possibly understand what I am talking about. True conservative values run deep, and those folks are scared crapless about their country being taken away.

Want to change their minds and get them to vote for Democrats? The ONLY way to do it is for two things to happen:

1 - Have a Rebublican candidate **** them off about immigration (they don't agree with Bush on this issue already.)

2 - Neutralize abortion! This means that these conservatives won't vote for someone who is pro-abortion PERIOD, no matter who the guy is or what other views they have. So, if you are a Dem and you want this vote, you better be against abortion and or hope that the Rep alternative is pro-choice.

Either way, it is going to be an interesting.

The Dems also have a problem. They can't come out too strong against the war. Because doing so means that the loss of 3,000 Americans now becomes meaningless and that they died for no point.

The last point: Is America Safer Today then on September 10th, 2001? If people believe so, then they will reward those politicians that helped make it that way. On September 10th, we were invinceable. We thought no one would touch us. Fact is, one day later they did...in a way no one has done since Pearl Harbor. Why? Because they hate us and did not fear us. Well, they still hate us, but at least they now fear us.

 

Ok, first off...

I have already considered military service and was going to join the Army before coming to MT, but because of my medical condition I cannot. That said, just because I don't agree with a war doesnt mean I am to cowardice to serve my country. That comment you made is both biggoted and quite blind, as you don't seem to get the point that not all of the troops in Iraq agree with what is going on there. Get off of your high horse. Its people like you who think that war is a glorified mission from God and don't look at the whole picture of what is really going on around us that shock me.

You do realize that now the Middle East is even more unstable than ever? We have put our troops in the sights long enough, and this has basically turned into Bush's Vietnam.

I don't think that anyone here has said that the war was for oil.

Do I think that Al Gore or John Kerry could have done better, its possible. Nobody knows what anyone would do when put into the situation we were put into on 9/11. Your viewpoint is also very bigoted and blind.

And yes, he does need to leave office. With a federal deficit plunging into record numbers and tax cuts that all economists have said do no good, as well as a Congress that is sitting with their thumbs up their asses (and no, im not happy with the Dem's performance either), its going to be a welcome change come 2008. Im not too happy that because of these "stimulating tax cuts" I have to pay later on in life for the romp of the elephants.

No, not at all. That IS the question. Thats like if I hear that someone shot some random person in Arizona, and I go and ransack their house and kill them. What did they do to me? Nothing at all. I would get arrested for that kind of vigilante justice. What makes it any different here?

We have damaged our reputation and good standing around the world because of this invasion, especially our reputation in the Middle East, which is where we need all the support we can get. YOU just have to look at the outcome of what we have done, and where this is going.

Very true, and it is going to be interesting. I dont think anyone quite knows what is going to happen, as there are many different wildcards that come into play. I do know that Santorum is going to be ousted. He is not too well liked around these parts currently.

Very true about the Dems as well. I back Murtha currently, as I am very pleased with what he has been doing as far as getting our troops back home and forcing the current administration to come to terms with what they have on their hands right now. Like I said earlier, im not too happy with the current Dems and their performance, as they seem to enjoy sitting and spinning on their own thumb. There are a few who I think are chasing meaningless things, as well as those who are just not good for the country. Personally, if more Congressmen were like Barak Obama, I think this country would be in a much better state.

 

this BS about not finding WMD's

IT DIDNT MATTER!

we had audio and video tapes of him using/testing WMD's on his own people, we have found the mass burials from these tests. He had them, and if we didnt go in there they would still have them. It doesnt matter what we physically found, WE KNEW HE HAD THEM. who cares if he tried to cover his *** real quick and ditched them, or w/e. As far as i am concerned Saddam was a terrorist, he just used some social engineering to avoid the title.

Just because there were no WMD's physically found doesnt mean it was a failure.

and about the "what did saddam do to us" is like saying "what did hitler do to us?" (in like 1938)

 

When did he test WMD on people? If I'm not mistaken he actually commited genocide on the Curds just by shooting them and other means. They never used WMD on them.