they definatly had video/audio clips and docs of them doing it . . it was on the news,

NO we never found them physically

but

YES we knew they had and used them, testing them on there own people.


one of sadams men once walked up to a woman with two children and said to her

"i am going to kill one of your daughters right now, you have to pick which one i will kill, if you dont pick one, ill kill both"

with things like that going on, how can you say it is wrong for us to go in and stop it?

 

:stupid: When it comes down to it Saddam is an evil person and the world is better without him! Doesnt matter what you are dem. , rep, Lib. you know this and you can't deny it, end of discussion

 

bush was right for going to war however the methods he used i think were wrong saying that it was just becausde of 9\11 when we know that was bs and how oil was involved as well as saddam being a piece of **** and killing people those were all factors not just one of them so all u people bitches about opil and gas f off there more reasons then that



sumthing i also herd is y do we have troops in like germany and all these places where we dont need them just a ? not looking for a fight

 

I don't think that anyone is questioning the validity of that. Saddam was a bad person, but at the time he was not a threat to the United States security.

That is the point. There are lots of areas that need international help (Darfur region anyone) but nobody is going in and helping them. We're the world police when it comes to Iraq, but when other areas need even more of our help, we turn a blind eye.

 

The world is better without Sadaam running free, but us killing innocent people and having thousands of our soldiers killed over there for this one man? I know there are other ways of getting a hold of him. Why didn't Bush have the SEALs or Marine Force Recon run ops over there to get him before all this blew up in our face? It all leads back to him wanting to invade for the oil. I know you guys are sick of hearing that but that is what it all leads to. Saying you're sick of hearing about the oil thing is like saying your sick of hearing about Hitler killing Jews; other than that he wasn't a bad guy.

 

shambles do you think all we are doing over there is running around with our guns and blowing away everything and everyone we see. and all the soldiers i talk to when they came home all say they are going back to finish the job. all the guys i talk to say the people over there thank our soldiers day for what they are doing. so if the people over there tell our soldiers thanks for what we are doind, we must be doing something right. and when you say we shouldnt be over there, you are disgraceing every soldier that has died over there. i have friends that have lost family members in this war. so if you tell me that they dide for nothing i would gladly kick your a$$. so you should just go back to your desk and continue shipping out mustang parts, and i will continue my dream in joining the air force and defending this great country of ours so you can have the freedom to disagree with our pres and wars. im done talking to you dude.

 

They must be luckly guys. About 50% of the people over there want us to just leave because we're making the fighting worse with all the insurgents. I've seen a video with a group of little kids stomping on and tossing around and American soldier's leg. The parents are there cheering them on. I'll try and find it so I can post it and you can see how much they appreciate us.

 

i would like to see where you got the 50% number. prolly CNN. and dude i dont want to see that video, what are you fuggin sick. im still laughing at that 50% number. thats fuggin BS. you have no idea how many military people i know, everyone is going back. i havent talked to one yet that is against the war.

 

No, I'm not ****in' sick. I want you to see the harsh reality of us being in that country. Would you like it if the U.K. invaded our country, took away Timothy McVee (considering he was still alive and on the loose), and deprived our country of the few natural resources it has. Now you also have to remember you need to look at this from a 3rd world country's point of view, which means you have no way of defending yourself. Oh, and I might add, you've got some radical group fighting the U.K. and it just so happens that some of your friends/relatives get caught in the cross-fire of a gun fight or an explosion.

 

hey buddy this is war, people get killed. yes it sucks. and i know loseing one person is too much. but this is war.

 

Now I'm not a big hippie or anything, infact I'm going into OSU's (Ohio State) Army ROTC program and becoming an officer in the military. I just think there are many other ways of preventing this particular situation, and that's why I'm picking on Bush. WWII was unpreventable from our stand point. We joined mainly because we were attacked at Pearly Harbor, similar to 9/11 attacks, but Hitler was also killing millions of Jews, Gypseys, Homosexuals, etc. You can't stand for that. That war I can stand behind. I always support out troops no matter what, but I don't always support the administration and it's doings.

 

I have to put this in, I dont participate in many political internet discussions, but here is something to chew on if you are an anti bush supporter/Kerry supporter.


Bush came into the presidency and into what I would consider the WORST presidency to come into. The man didnt get well moved into the white house before some ******** decided to catapult 2 747's into some of the tallest buildings in NYC, a plane into the pentagon, and hijack another that crash landed. Now, I have to ask, what would have Gore, or even Kerry done if presented? Im willing to bet that NO ONE would have any better rating as a president at this point in their presidency had it been anyone else. God knows we would be so far into a pile of crap had the other two actually won. Think about it. I have to admit, Im tired of soldiers dying over what turned out to be nothing, but God knows SOMETHING had to be done about Iraq, whether it was Bush or someone else. It doesnt help that Iraq KNEW we were coming months in advance and had AMPLE time to get rid of anything that could incriminate them, but we wont go there. Too much speculation. It makes me sick to see people that ride around with their anti-bush bumper stickers when IMO, what the hell else could he do. We live in a world where EVERYONE thinks someone owes them something. We have illegal immigrants wanting full citizenship, who are also draining our economy and natural disasters that are (in my opinion) doing the inevitable. But yet, it all seems to be Bush's fault, like he could actually DO something. Our Nation has become too liberal to get ANYTHING done, for God sakes, we cant even have "Christmas" parties without someone filing a discrimination lawsuit. Well, Im rambling about pointless stuff now, so Im done, but I just have to ask the anti-bush people, who the hell COULD have done anything with the hand of cards Bush has been dealt. I would love to see it come out any better...

 

couldnt have said it better myself man. and you also forgot Hurricane Katrina was Bush's fault also. i cant stand all that BS. nice post!

 

 

That was the natural disaster part. LOL re read it.

 

Wow.... awesome Matt, I 100% agree, Couldn't have said it better

 

Just call it like I see it. :shrug:

 

I hear the same things from all of the soldiers I talk to, Do you ever watch the military channel? You guys cant believe everything you hear on CNN and Gay MTV news, most news stations are bias and will only tell you half the truth

 

i wish i got the military channel, ive been seeing some commercials for it on the descovery channel. looks awesome. but ya right when someone tells me that they heard something on the news, im just like shut the fu*k up you dumba$$.

 

I'm completely for the war in Afghanistan, but the attacks on the twin towers had nothing to do with Iraq. Iraq and Sadaam have never been linked to Osama, and it seems now that the search for Osama has stopped. I fully supported the war in Afghanistan, however short it was. I still don't see any legitimate justification for the war in Iraq.


As for the immigration issue, I'm all for the new bill or issue or whatever it is that is going through. I don't think it's fair at all that illegal immigrants can live in the U.S. and reap its benefits, and they don't have to learn English or work nearly as hard to EARN their citizenship such as the legal immigrants. I have nothing against foreigners at all, I just don't respect any immigrant that doesn't go through the proper steps to become a citizen.

 

Who says I'm getting my info just from news channels? I've got a friend that graduated 2 years ago and just got back from a 9 month tour (USMC). I've also got a cousin that is in the USAF but he doesn't have much contact with the locals because he does intel.

 

I never said the war was from the attacks. I was merely using it as proof that GW got a clusterf*ck dropped on him the minute he stepped into the office. IMO, the war was for the WMD's, which it was originally, but when you give a country months in advance warning to get the **** out, do you think they are just going to leave it there for us to find?

 

Jesus christ how old are you, 17?

I've said time and time again, I don't support the war, but I do support my troops and wish that they are brought back safely. What isnt going through your skull? Just beacuse you don't support a war, doesnt mean you support the other side, nor does it mean that you dont support the troops that are overseas fighting the war. **** i've got family members who are in the armed services, you don't think I keep them out of my thoughts?

I pay my respects to all veterans and soldiers alike, fallen and in combat. Why do you have this image of me running around burning an American flag and shaming every US soldier that comes back?

Yes, there is good news that comes out of Iraq of soldiers being thanked by the Iraqi people, and yes, this news is often times left out of the daily front headlines. But, from my eyes, I see more bad than good that has come out of this invasion. A more politically unstable middle east with the possibility of civil war breaking out at any time, a strained political presence throughout the world, a very large national deficit, etc etc.

Once again, read what I am typing instead of just assuming my opinion. At no point did I say that we are blowing away any civilian that we feel like, but recent events say that there are a few more trigger-happy marines that arent following the ROE. A group of Marines taking down two dozen Iraqi civilians is not acceptable in my eyes.

Here is my source by the way:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5028830.stm

In all honesty, you need to realize how blindly you are following your train of thought here. Not once, that I have seen, have you actually read what any of what I have typed and actually thought about what my opinions are here. I read the news, I read between the headlines, and I frankly don't like the fact that we are in a quagmire that we can't get out of. It's time to start outlining a plan for withdrawl. Get the Iraqi police and military trained and ready to defend their country, and then start pulling out. I personally believe enough American blood has been shed for a war that has not achieved what it has claimed.

Hence why I get my news from the BBC, not from a US News Agency.

Hardly anyone would be able to come out on top with the deck of cards that Bush was given. Then again, I think that its not all Bush to blame. The problems between parties in the house and Senate, as well as the seemingly incompetent Republican Congress have also put out some problems.

It is true, the US has gone a bit crazy on stupid lawsuits (Christmas, one nation under god, etc) and for that I believe that those Liberals should be locked in a cage and beaten with a spikey bat. On the flip side, I am also not too pleased with the Church who goes around and says that 9/11 came around because of the homosexuals in America, as well as the conservative religious right pinning everything down as being a fault for feminists, gays, etc etc.

As far as the speculation, there was an Iraqi general who wrote a book who says he saw orders to move the weapons into Syria. How this was done without US Intel knowing, I have no clue, but it is possible.

Katrina just showed that the current administration isnt too well organized for a major disaster of any kind, not that anyone could be 100%. Once again, after hearing Bush say that he was never briefed, and then turning around and finding out there was a video of Bush being briefed about the hurricane puts a major bullet in the foot of the Bush administration. I mean come on, why was the head of FEMA a previous horse show organizer? How does that make you qualified for that job?

Like I said in an earlier post, nobody knows what Kerry or Gore or any other person would have done if they were in office. Thats all speculation, and I think that if you are a leader then your decisions are manufactured when you are placed into the position. Thinking about it post-occurance doesnt really do anything, as you already know what NOT to do.

 

No, but I don't see why he gave them a warning. It's been proven that Sadaam commited acts of genocide, testing weapons on his own people. Why would Bush give him time to hide/dispose of his weapons? Cops don't call up drug dealers a week before a raid and let them know it's coming.

I do agree with you that Bush got "cluster-****ed". I still think he could've handled it in a better way. We could've sent SpecOps into the country to run intel on Sadaam and his top players, then decide whether war was inevitable.

 

im 21 dude. and you say that what we are doing over there is wrong. in other words you think that we are over there for no reason. so when our soldiers get killed to you they die for no reason. you've said time and time again that what we are doing over there is wrong, so dont try to back out of that one. dude i hope your like 12 because your best comeback was "Jesus christ how old are you, 17" my cousin is 13 and he has better comebacks then that. so like i said in the last post i gave to you, im done talking to you.

 

I think that the justification of the war is an invalid justification and is not why we went to invade Iraq in the first place.

Nowhere in any of my posts did I say that our soldiers die for no reason. They are over there doing their job, which is what their commander in chief has instructed them to do. They are over there attempting to stabilize a situation that is almost impossible to stabilize. Their current mission is to minimize civilian casualities and to train an Army and police force so that control can be fully transferred to the Iraqi's and the US military can take less of a role in Iraq.

Once again, read what I am typing:

I don't think what we are doing over there (which is attempting to stabilize a country in utter turmoil) is wrong. I believe that the initial situation in Iraq as to why we invaded, and the subsequent change and manipulation of the American people, is wrong. Many times a course of action is necessary, and in my eyes I did not see Iraq as a necessary choice. Afganistan, yes. Iraq, no.

Quit trying to put words in my mouth. Not once have I ever said that what we are doing over there is wrong. I have said, however, that the reason why we went over there, was blindsided and not looked into completely, and that the subsequent invasion was unjustified.

 

whatever dude. now you just said that you think what we're doing over there not wrong, but your against the war. hmmmmmm

 

ok

#1 come on, how long has this war been going on? 2+ years? 3000 people is nothing, i dont want to make there deaths seems like no big deal, but for that long of a war effort that isnt that bad. thats like the anual deths from bee stings. . . sure 3000 deaths is ****ty, expecually when it is our soldgers, but how manny people die from drunk driving? or cigarettes yearly? a hell of a lot more then 3000. So stop the bitching.

2# I hate it when people say "i support our troops, but not the war" thats BS, you dont support the troops, you support the removal of our troops. When people say it its like there trying to cover there *** about being anti-war. The troops are over there fighting there *** off for a reason you do not believe in, then you do not support the troops.

 

You really are trying to put words in his mouth. The first sentence he has there is that the justification of the war is BS, but the fact that we are helping the Iraqi people support themselves so we can get out is good.

 

#1 - Why compare these deaths to something else? I'm not going to go shoot 5 people and say, "O well, atleast I didn't kill as many people as Jeffery Dahmer." I don't think the judge would let me got because I didn't kill as many as Dahmer did. This gives no justification of the deaths. I'll bet you anything that if you father and brother were killed in this war that you wouldn't be saying, "Well, 3,000 isn't so bad for 2 years."

#2 - The fact that we don't support the war doesn't mean we don't support our troops. We have absolutely no power to bring them back here, so we support them over there; hoping that some day they will come back alive and well. Just because the troops are over there fighting their *** of for a reason we don't like doesn't mean we don't support them. I'll bet my life that not every single one of those soldiers over there for infantry agree with the war, but guess what? They still put their life on the line every single day because they agreed to do exactly what the C-I-C says, no questions asked. So I don't want to hear anymore bull**** about how we don't support them because we don't support this bull**** war.