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Old 09-04-2006 | 09:41 AM
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The PP intake has shown itself to be a very nice unit despite some of the early problems. The one I have for testing is of the highest quality even if it's not a totally unique design, I'd have it on top of my motor any day. PP also makes a really really nice TB and upper plenum combo that you guys might want to start peeking at. They flow really well.

The HPS intake is a unique design and it'll probably end up on top of my 5.4 thanks to the giant plenum allowing me to stuff a nitrous kit inside it. It's a well made unit and would be a fine addition to any 4.6 (or 5.4 with adapter plates).
 
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Old 09-04-2006 | 10:45 AM
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Make sure you do a good write-up on the performance/quality of this. Im sure you know the good intakes for our 2vs are contraversial. We need a good solid intake manifold.
 
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Old 09-04-2006 | 11:03 AM
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Yea, so you got 2 of them now?
 
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Old 09-04-2006 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by zigzagg321
...2 intakes in metal
Yep. I got them both for testing and development. At this point either is a good solution as a durable high performance replacement for the stock plasitc job and I think they're a little friendlier than the Bullit intake since you don't have to deal with different throttle bodies, alternators, or any of that junk. They both just bolt up in place and both have shown gains in line with the performance potential of the motor.

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...do a good write-up...
That's precisely the reason for having both (that and I'm developing/testing associated parts for them to be used as up-options). So far I've seen pretty sub-standard testing and reports on the aftermarket intakes for 2v. I don't trust testing done by magazines that have advertisements for the vendor in the same issue as the test article so I figure, why not just look at each objectively and give a good report on what's required to install them, how they perform and what they might be good for and give it to you guys to chew on.

I won't be looking for minor flaws to pick at but I won't be gentle about my reviews either.

At this point, after having inspected both intakes very thoroughly and seeing one of them installed and running I have to say that I'd recommend either one to anyone that wants something more durable than plastic but not as expensive as a Reichard or Bullit or Hogan. The PP seems to have gotten a bad rap from 2 guys that's not deserved.

One thing you should not expect is giant peak power gains out of either on a stock 4.6L. You need to have a motor capable of delivering the goods for the intake to be of any real benefit at all. If you have cams, ported heads, higher than stock compression, stroker kit, blower, etc.. you're likely going to appreciate the hell out of either.

At this time, another member of this board (who shall remain nameless, and if you happen to know who it is then please keep it quiet) has my PP intake and is testing it with some other products. He's seemed pretty happy with it from install to run-time. We'll have dyno results soon as well as a full review and pics and video.
 
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Old 09-05-2006 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by zigzagg321
cool stuff.

so you have 2 intake manifolds for a 4.6 in metal?

I have the plastic crossover and I bet I will need a new manifold sometime.
Mine's in the shop right now because of that plastic ****!

Looks good redneck!
 
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Old 09-05-2006 | 09:20 AM
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cool...

cly heads
 
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Old 09-05-2006 | 09:45 AM
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If you can afford to drop the 530-800 bucks on either of the intake types I've got I'd say do it. They're both really quite nice. The PP intake is the cheapest cost wise and is a good solid unit, the HPS has published dyno results that look really good but not startlingly impressive and it's just as high quality.

I've mounted my HPS intake on my mock up 5.4L motor with Reichard Racing adapter plates and it looks like it'll fit with almost no hassle. The coil packs require me to do a little trimming of their mounting bosses and also need stand-offs. I'll have an exact detailing of what and where and how in the coming weeks. For 4.6L it seems that it'll just drop right on with 0 hassle.
 
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Old 09-05-2006 | 09:51 AM
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uhh... greg, what is "cly heads" and what does it mean in this context? Just curious.
 
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Old 09-05-2006 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
uhh... greg, what is "cly heads" and what does it mean in this context? Just curious.
the top secret... wtf is that... a cly head?
 
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Old 09-05-2006 | 09:59 AM
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no it's not a cly head or a cylinder head (cyl head) it's a secret you tard... hahahahaha (just playin on the tard part...it reads funnier that way)

That's a part that I'm doing some R&D and testing work on for a vendor who shall remain nameless. Suffice it to say that it's a killer design and I've been in on it since day 1.
 
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Old 09-05-2006 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
no it's not a cly head or a cylinder head (cyl head) it's a secret you tard... hahahahaha (just playin on the tard part...it reads funnier that way)

That's a part that I'm doing some R&D and testing work on for a vendor who shall remain nameless. Suffice it to say that it's a killer design and I've been in on it since day 1.
ok... well then FU tard!

I figured if ya were doing intake manifolds you'd do cly heads... thats what I'd do...
 
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Old 09-05-2006 | 10:12 AM
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ok... I'll f me. I hope I'm good. You can't be taking the tard comment seriously BTW. I said it was just funnier to read with that in there and it's not meant as a personal attack. I promise.

Yes, I'm doing cylinder heads too but those are not yet finished and they're being custom ported to my specs. I'm really only even bothering to have them ported because I had a credit with my local master head porter that I needed to take advantage of and a spare set of heads laying around. I'm getting my heads ported for a total of 350 bucks so I figured what the hell.

Good guess though on what the part might be. It looks in the pic like a head greyed out but I assure you that's completely not what that part is. The actual part is even less exciting than that.
 
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Old 09-05-2006 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck
ok... I'll f me. I hope I'm good. You can't be taking the tard comment seriously BTW. I said it was just funnier to read with that in there and it's not meant as a personal attack. I promise.

Yes, I'm doing cylinder heads too but those are not yet finished and they're being custom ported to my specs. I'm really only even bothering to have them ported because I had a credit with my local master head porter that I needed to take advantage of and a spare set of heads laying around. I'm getting my heads ported for a total of 350 bucks so I figured what the hell.

Good guess though on what the part might be. It looks in the pic like a head greyed out but I assure you that's completely not what that part is. The actual part is even less exciting than that.
ok... tard... lol... i was jokin too... tard

edit ^ wtf is it... an oil pan or something... lol
 
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Old 09-13-2006 | 10:05 PM
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i think its something to do with nitrous, either a spider that goes under the intage, just a bottle, some solenoids and wires, or maybe its a spyder that feeds into the 5.4 adapters.
 
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Old 09-14-2006 | 10:27 AM
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no correct guesses so far but someday when the design goes public you'll all know.

I doubt you'd ever guess what it is... they're kind of an obscure part.

I'm making a nitrous kit for the HardBall'R intake. I've had to change the design so now it should accomodate from 50-300hp shots. Not like a 300 shot is a good idea in general but what the heck.. it'll do it.
 
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Old 09-14-2006 | 12:21 PM
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no correct guesses so far but someday when the design goes public you'll all know.

I doubt you'd ever guess what it is... they're kind of an obscure part.

I'm making a nitrous kit for the HardBall'R intake. I've had to change the design so now it should accomodate from 50-300hp shots. Not like a 300 shot is a good idea in general but what the heck.. it'll do it.
is it an engine part?
 
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Old 09-14-2006 | 12:37 PM
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I have seen the Power Plus T/B and Plenums on Ebay for almost half the price of other aftermarket combos. Why are they so inexpensive? I didnt want to say cheap because that would pertain to the quality also. I dont know anyone who has tried this product out. So, i cant wait until you bolt all of this stuff up and see what kind of power it puts out.

Good luck.
 
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Old 09-14-2006 | 12:50 PM
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I can't say why they cost less but having had one of the TB's and one of the Plenums in my hot little hands I can tell you that they're high quality and perfectly functional. I haven't done any comparo dynos for them individually but I'd imagine from just the size of the ports and my look at the internal shape of the flow paths that they flow better than stock by a ways. How much I can't be certain till I get some dyno time on them.

As for the part... it connects to an engine but I won't say in what capacity.
 
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Old 09-14-2006 | 12:52 PM
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Holy hell...how much was that HPS intake. Thats the only replacement I would get next to the bullit intake. Excellent choice. Let me know when you want to sell it to me...lol
 
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Old 09-14-2006 | 01:27 PM
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Old 09-14-2006 | 01:37 PM
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Adapter plates..I dunno
 
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Old 09-14-2006 | 04:10 PM
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no, not adapter plates... keep trying. This is getting fun. You guys got some skills though... you're picking up the shape and making good guesses but suffice it to say it's an evolutionary change that's been a long time coming.

The intake cost me exactly 0... it's a development sample so I can design the kitting for a nitrous system that goes inside it. I've pretty much settled on a quad spray bar system with 1 fuel and 1 nitrous bar per cylinder bank. The bulk of the system will be contained within the lower plenum so the kit will be easier to hide. It's a total cheater setup that I think will be popular with the heads-up racing crowd. You know... the run what ya brung types. When I've finished the design of the prototype and fabbed the custom tools to allow DIY'ers to install it, I'll send it back to HPS or I can buy it at retail.

I'm also going to be testing it on a 5.4L equipped mustang to see how it does against the stock PI intake and against the PP intake.
 
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Old 09-14-2006 | 05:30 PM
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no, not adapter plates... keep trying. This is getting fun. You guys got some skills though... you're picking up the shape and making good guesses but suffice it to say it's an evolutionary change that's been a long time coming.

The intake cost me exactly 0... it's a development sample so I can design the kitting for a nitrous system that goes inside it. I've pretty much settled on a quad spray bar system with 1 fuel and 1 nitrous bar per cylinder bank. The bulk of the system will be contained within the lower plenum so the kit will be easier to hide. It's a total cheater setup that I think will be popular with the heads-up racing crowd. You know... the run what ya brung types. When I've finished the design of the prototype and fabbed the custom tools to allow DIY'ers to install it, I'll send it back to HPS or I can buy it at retail.

I'm also going to be testing it on a 5.4L equipped mustang to see how it does against the stock PI intake and against the PP intake.

How bout you send it to me when your done and say it got lost in transit back to HPS...hint hint....seriously...what is it, it's killing me I just spent 10 min staring at the damn thing
 
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Old 09-14-2006 | 09:06 PM
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i know....i know....sorry guys i cant tell.....wait i dont know either, tell me tell me
 
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Old 09-14-2006 | 09:13 PM
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I know what it is!
He has ONE super valve cover! It also has quick release oil cap for super fast oil fill!

 
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Old 09-15-2006 | 09:48 AM
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you got me... it's a valve cover with a pop up cap.
 
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Old 09-15-2006 | 09:52 AM
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and no Icefreezen... I'm not sending it to anyone. My motor is getting pretty close to assembly and install time and I want to test it against the PI intake.
 
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Old 09-15-2006 | 11:59 AM
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I have seen the Power Plus T/B and Plenums on Ebay for almost half the price of other aftermarket combos. Why are they so inexpensive? I didnt want to say cheap because that would pertain to the quality also. I dont know anyone who has tried this product out. So, i cant wait until you bolt all of this stuff up and see what kind of power it puts out.

Good luck.
Is this their product, also?

 
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Old 09-15-2006 | 12:03 PM
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yep. THey looked really nice to me.
 
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