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Old 01-15-2006 | 02:25 PM
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We all know blowers are fun, but what about cams and heads? You know, old school.

I am gonna do something more serious to this car one way or the other and I think cams and heads would be a blast too.

I fyou have cams and heads on your car, please pipe up. I want to hear from you especially if it is a 99+
 
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Old 01-15-2006 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!
We all know blowers are fun, but what about cams and heads? You know, old school.

I am gonna do something more serious to this car one way or the other and I think cams and heads would be a blast too.

I fyou have cams and heads on your car, please pipe up. I want to hear from you especially if it is a 99+


I'm with you heads and cams or all the better get a new built motor from mph
 
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Old 01-15-2006 | 02:34 PM
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Just remember that once you do this it's going to be a permanent N/A car unless you have the money to buy a new motor. I'm debating on the same thing. To get the blower or cams. I'm probably going for VT Stage 2 cams seeing as how I have too many miles on my car for a blower and while I have the cam fun I'll be building a new motor with a roots style blower probably. I guess it's all in who wants what.
 
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Old 01-15-2006 | 03:54 PM
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blower...

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Old 01-15-2006 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by shad0wsGT
Just remember that once you do this it's going to be a permanent N/A car unless you have the money to buy a new motor. I'm debating on the same thing. To get the blower or cams. I'm probably going for VT Stage 2 cams seeing as how I have too many miles on my car for a blower and while I have the cam fun I'll be building a new motor with a roots style blower probably. I guess it's all in who wants what.
How many miles do you have on your car?

I am at 63k.

I also have another unusual situation. If I want to race AND not have a roll gage, I need to stay n/a. With a vert and the new regs, under 13.50 and you need a cage. But, I need to double-check.

See my delemma?
 
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Old 01-15-2006 | 04:23 PM
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Ive never seen any street supercharged mustang need a cage. I know guys running 12.3s and dont have cages.
 
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Old 01-15-2006 | 05:19 PM
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Ive never seen any street supercharged mustang need a cage. I know guys running 12.3s and dont have cages.
Well, if that is the case, they will not be allowed to race anymore from what I can tell. Tracks are getting more rigid due to insurance issues too.

http://www.nhra.com/2004/news/november/110102.html
 
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Old 01-15-2006 | 05:24 PM
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I read that and youve got a vert. I dont know any 99+ GTs that are verts with blowers. The guys I know have coupes.
 
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Old 01-15-2006 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!
How many miles do you have on your car?

I am at 63k.

I also have another unusual situation. If I want to race AND not have a roll gage, I need to stay n/a. With a vert and the new regs, under 13.50 and you need a cage. But, I need to double-check.

See my delemma?
LoL, I'm at 87K but this is my daily driver and it's a 99 so give me some slack.
 
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Old 01-15-2006 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by shad0wsGT
LoL, I'm at 87K but this is my daily driver and it's a 99 so give me some slack.
Slack granted!

So where you going for heads/cams?
 
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Old 01-15-2006 | 06:30 PM
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Umm, I'm going for some VT Stage 2 Cams and maybe some Heads if I'm willing to dish out that kind of money. But when I finally get serious about all this stuff and probably after I get out of UTI I'll go for MPH custom built motor and blower combo. My main focus right now is just cams, headers, exterior, and suspension. Just some stuff to keep me busy but mostly stuff that will help eventually with a new motor and blower.
 
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Old 01-15-2006 | 07:14 PM
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Get heads/cams... cast iron intake mainifold (when it comes out), run 125 shot and there ya go.

I have comp 262's, which are perfect for nitrous, which i plan on doin later on in the life of the car.

:bash: whistlers, lol
 
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Old 01-15-2006 | 09:13 PM
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Blake, get the blower. End of story. I guess its just cause Im still high on the race gas from dyno day, but hearing that Kenne Bell whine and put down 600 rwhp was enough for me. Now, I dont want anywhere near 600 rwhp, as to me, thats just not fun on the street anymore. BUT, if i were to do it, it would be a KB 1.7 and nothing else. I dunno though, I just want my car payed off this year or maybe a little into next. That is my only goal for the car right now, im tired of paying finance charges...
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by madmatt
Blake, get the blower. End of story. I guess its just cause Im still high on the race gas from dyno day, but hearing that Kenne Bell whine and put down 600 rwhp was enough for me. Now, I dont want anywhere near 600 rwhp, as to me, thats just not fun on the street anymore. BUT, if i were to do it, it would be a KB 1.7 and nothing else. I dunno though, I just want my car payed off this year or maybe a little into next. That is my only goal for the car right now, im tired of paying finance charges...
I agree with Matt.Get the S/C.Oh by the way Matt I have 0% on mine
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 05:15 AM
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I'm in the same boat.... I live like 20 mins from Steen Racing, and was really thinkin hard about getting a stage 2+ head port and stage 2 cams. The only problem is that all that would cost $2500 installed and tuned, and would put down a little over 300 rwhp, for a little over a grand more I can get a blower and put down close to 400 with a lot more room to grow, so now I'm just tryin to choose which one to go with!
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 06:35 AM
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I'd get the s/c.. either the kb 1.7 or a mongoose kit. and you can buy me one while your at it
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 06:56 AM
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Yea, thats the only problem I have with an n/a setup is that you are so close to a blower, you can taste it.
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 11:19 AM
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I would start with a MPH or VT shortblock and go from there.
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 02wt5sp
I'm in the same boat.... I live like 20 mins from Steen Racing, and was really thinkin hard about getting a stage 2+ head port and stage 2 cams. The only problem is that all that would cost $2500 installed and tuned, and would put down a little over 300 rwhp, for a little over a grand more I can get a blower and put down close to 400 with a lot more room to grow, so now I'm just tryin to choose which one to go with!
Wow, I think 2500 is cheap for parts and installed with tune. I think with install and tune on a blower you will be a lot more then $1000 more...more like almost $5,000.

I have quotes on blower kits...they are around $4,000 with everything. Shops charge about $1000 to install if there is a cooler and then $200 - $300 for a tune.
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 11:24 AM
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dont pay a shop to install it, make a freind who knows his ****, and have him help
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 11:24 AM
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for some strange reason...I vote blower. :shifty:
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GREG@94GT
i would redo the whole engine...

cams, heads, pistons, etc, etc, etc...

ya get a bit more horse like that...

more horse than what? a blower? um, no. what are you talking about?
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 01:06 PM
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do both

i bought a set of Steen Racing stage 3 blower purpose ported heads and a set of VT stage 2 blower cams assembled with comp springs. this combo will give me some hp n/a but once i get my blower on it'll be frickin' awesome. i can't wait! neither can my tuner haha.
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ponygrrl
do both

i bought a set of Steen Racing stage 3 blower purpose ported heads and a set of VT stage 2 blower cams assembled with comp springs. this combo will give me some hp n/a but once i get my blower on it'll be frickin' awesome. i can't wait! neither can my tuner haha.

hey ponygrrl, where did you go to tune your car? thunder? im looking for a tuner.

sorry about going off topic
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 01:15 PM
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my car hasn't been tuned yet, waiting to install everything. but yeah, Thunder is going to do it. i highly reccomend them. steve, the owner, knows his ****. he tuned eric's and his trucks but he specializes in mustangs. just tell him dave's auto sent ya. we're painting steve's car right now actually.
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 01:25 PM
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Pony, I just spoke to Jason at Steen about 2 hrs ago to ask questions and get pricing.

Are you doing headers too? I am not sure which heads/cams I would go with. I guess I should choose a blower setup, but if I never get a blower, then that is not the best option.

If I stay with my nitrous setup, then it really does not matter. While the blower cams/heads would be better for the nitrous, you don't get as much power n/a. For the few times I spray, I wonder if it is worth the loss when n/a.

Jason is saying with my car and headers (they claim the car will make more power with headers due to the new heads) I should get about 310 hp to the wheels. W/o headers, then I am looking at about 290 - 300.

Now, this is what I like, from stop light to stop light, this setup should walk on a car stock GT with a blower. But, the blower car will beat my butt pulling in 4th gear. Seems like the heads/cams might be a real fun setup for around town and still fun on the Interstate.

Jason also claims that my car would be very capable of mid to low 12's and he has customers running a lot faster then that with the right suspension and tires.
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 02:09 PM
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yeah i'm going to do longtubes + midpipe at the same time with a tune.
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 02:32 PM
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MPH stage 2.5 heads if your going that route...



but seriously, blake, just get a blower man....before you decide i think you should ride in a blower car...that will change your mind
 
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Old 01-16-2006 | 03:08 PM
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I have actually never road in either setup. I wish I had an opportunity to do that.
 



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