Plasma vs LCD
#31
12-14-2009, 03:20 PM
RebelYell
Here is some Solid Advice.
If you buy plasma, go for Panasonic Viera line FIRST.
If you buy LCD, go for Sharp FIRST
if they have neither, Samsung does awesome in either catagory.
Bargain brands that have "Big brand name" displays in them never include the rest of the electronics needed to pull the best out of those displays, and they are usually b-stock or surplus of yester-years displays, and are not on the current generation. You CAN get a great TV for a great price, but i would always preffer a well established name when buying something this expencive.
When looking at LCD, make SURE you get 120hz refresh rate.
There is a LOT of **** information out there on plasma. I have 2 panasonic viera plasmas and i can assure you the following.
1) They do NOT require a refill of the plasma. That is absolute horse ****.
2) They do NOT Flicker, if they flicker, you might want to get it serviced under warranty
3) They do NOT lose thier brightness after x amount of years. The halflife on Plasmas is insane, trust me, you will probably throw it away before it reaches its halflife in 15 years.
4) They use the same amount of power as 6 60watt bulbs, which is less than a lot of chandaliers.
5) Burn in is almost non existant, i play plenty of video games on mine with the static informational icons on the screen, i have never seen the slightest burn in, i have seen some ghosting on the screen when the TV is turned off, but that goes away faily quickly.
LCD Vs Plasma, dont waste your time worrying about it. LCD weigh less and use less power. Plasma has consitantly time and time again showing far better contrast ratios, less motion blur, better black levels, etc, etc.
in the real world when viewing them you wont see a scrap of difference. Go with what is in your budget, stay with brand names, and you cant go wrong.
ill admit, im a Plasma Fanboy, i have several friends with LCD and they look just as good. Anyone who claims to be able to visually determine the current lineup of LCD vs Plasma's on quality name brands is full of ****.
Here is some Solid Advice.
If you buy plasma, go for Panasonic Viera line FIRST.
If you buy LCD, go for Sharp FIRST
if they have neither, Samsung does awesome in either catagory.
Bargain brands that have "Big brand name" displays in them never include the rest of the electronics needed to pull the best out of those displays, and they are usually b-stock or surplus of yester-years displays, and are not on the current generation. You CAN get a great TV for a great price, but i would always preffer a well established name when buying something this expencive.
When looking at LCD, make SURE you get 120hz refresh rate.
There is a LOT of **** information out there on plasma. I have 2 panasonic viera plasmas and i can assure you the following.
1) They do NOT require a refill of the plasma. That is absolute horse ****.
2) They do NOT Flicker, if they flicker, you might want to get it serviced under warranty
3) They do NOT lose thier brightness after x amount of years. The halflife on Plasmas is insane, trust me, you will probably throw it away before it reaches its halflife in 15 years.
4) They use the same amount of power as 6 60watt bulbs, which is less than a lot of chandaliers.
5) Burn in is almost non existant, i play plenty of video games on mine with the static informational icons on the screen, i have never seen the slightest burn in, i have seen some ghosting on the screen when the TV is turned off, but that goes away faily quickly.
LCD Vs Plasma, dont waste your time worrying about it. LCD weigh less and use less power. Plasma has consitantly time and time again showing far better contrast ratios, less motion blur, better black levels, etc, etc.
in the real world when viewing them you wont see a scrap of difference. Go with what is in your budget, stay with brand names, and you cant go wrong.
ill admit, im a Plasma Fanboy, i have several friends with LCD and they look just as good. Anyone who claims to be able to visually determine the current lineup of LCD vs Plasma's on quality name brands is full of ****.
But, I disagree with you on the 120hz comment. LCDs have a rough time with 120hz typically.
For instance, with both Sony and Samsung's technology the 120hz is not a full screen refresh rate like you'll see in computer monitors or in plasmas. The 120hz processing only occurs on images that are moving, not across the entire screen background and all. This causes the "haloing" effect to where you get a super clear and focused picture on the moving subject and the "halo" around them, but not on the background that they exist on.
If you want to see proof of this. Get a 120hz LCD and buy Planet Earth on Blu-ray. Pause it on a part with something running across the screen and you'll see that the object that is moving is 10x more focused and sharpened than the background.
In other words you're getting ripped off. Because the 120hz technology you're paying for doesn't even work 50% of the time that it should be.
The Samsung LED that we have displayed in our main room at work plays blu-rays pretty much all day and has a PS3 hooked up to it that you can play as well, but every single time that people are watching it they complain about the 120hz because it makes it look messed up, even more so than just the regular 60hz would. So, every day I work I turn off the 120hz, and get tons of compliments from it.
Now, in retrospect LG's technology takes a different view on the technology. with their 120hz technology and their 240hz technology in their LEDs they throw a black frame in between every other frame to give it a less-harsh look when the 240hz starts to kick in.
The higher refresh-rate is a MUST, but should only be bought if you actually like it. If you're debating on getting an LCD with 120hz or 240hz, have them put on a blu-ray and let you watch it for a bit to see if you notice the harshness of the processing.
#32
12-14-2009, 03:50 PM
Higher refresh rate is a must! A tv that flickers has a low refresh rate. ALSO one very cool thing about a 120hz tv. The technology is still in development or done, but basically currently most lcd's and tvs run at 60hz, When you get a 120hz tv, theyve developed a way to display two images in each cycle IE Image A 1hz and Image B the next refresh, and people can put glasses on and play multiplayer and see two different images simultaneously without using splitscreen,, its pretty cool.
#33
12-14-2009, 03:57 PM
For instance, with both Sony and Samsung's technology the 120hz is not a full screen refresh rate like you'll see in computer monitors or in plasmas. The 120hz processing only occurs on images that are moving, not across the entire screen background and all. This causes the "haloing" effect to where you get a super clear and focused picture on the moving subject and the "halo" around them, but not on the background that they exist on.
The Samsung LED that we have displayed in our main room at work plays blu-rays pretty much all day and has a PS3 hooked up to it that you can play as well, but every single time that people are watching it they complain about the 120hz because it makes it look messed up, even more so than just the regular 60hz would. So, every day I work I turn off the 120hz, and get tons of compliments from it.
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The Samsung LED that we have displayed in our main room at work plays blu-rays pretty much all day and has a PS3 hooked up to it that you can play as well, but every single time that people are watching it they complain about the 120hz because it makes it look messed up, even more so than just the regular 60hz would. So, every day I work I turn off the 120hz, and get tons of compliments from it.
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i was suggesting 120hz refresh because the 60hz refresh seems to have motion blur on fast moving stuff like sports and such.
120hz does have a very strange look to it. i couldnt peg out exactly why it looked that way.
my friend has a samsung LCD with 120hz refresh rate and Blue Ray, At first i figured it was 1080P + 120hz that gave it a very un-lifelike fluidity, then one day he had an standard definition episode of seinfeld on and it had that same unrealistic supersmooth feel to it. I couldnt figure out why it looked that way, im definatly going to look at it harder next time.
it comes off very strange visually, it was cool with Transformers because it seems like you can see every last detail, yet, it still looked incorrect or un-lifelike...
#34
12-14-2009, 03:58 PM
Higher refresh rate is a must! A tv that flickers has a low refresh rate. ALSO one very cool thing about a 120hz tv. The technology is still in development or done, but basically currently most lcd's and tvs run at 60hz, When you get a 120hz tv, theyve developed a way to display two images in each cycle IE Image A 1hz and Image B the next refresh, and people can put glasses on and play multiplayer and see two different images simultaneously without using splitscreen,, its pretty cool.
#35
12-14-2009, 04:01 PM
Higher refresh rate is a must! A tv that flickers has a low refresh rate. ALSO one very cool thing about a 120hz tv. The technology is still in development or done, but basically currently most lcd's and tvs run at 60hz, When you get a 120hz tv, theyve developed a way to display two images in each cycle IE Image A 1hz and Image B the next refresh, and people can put glasses on and play multiplayer and see two different images simultaneously without using splitscreen,, its pretty cool.
I found this
All LCD HDTVs blur and jitter fast moving objects. In an attempt to compensate for these artifacts, LCD HDTV manufacturer's have been marketing products with 100/120 Hz refresh rates. They may do a good job with jitter removal, but they do next to nothing for motion blur.
Plasma TVs operate differently than an LCD HDTV because their plasma cells switch 1,000 times faster than the best LCD pixel. They do not need a 100/120 Hz refresh rate to compensate for induced motion artifacts because they don't produce these artifacts. The Panasonic "480 Hz sub-field" refresh rate is a bit of marketing.
Panasonic has divided their plasma screens into 8 sections or "sub-fields". Each section is refreshed at 60 Hz, therefore, 8 sub-fields times 60 Hz equals a 480 Hz sub-field refresh rate. It does not mean anything to the picture quality. Its just the way their TV's work. Just remember that plasma TVs switch 1,000 times faster than any LCD and, therefore, they do not need the expensive 120 Hz co-processors and the artifacts that come with those co-processors.
#36
12-14-2009, 04:04 PM
Wow, thank you for explaining that!
i was suggesting 120hz refresh because the 60hz refresh seems to have motion blur on fast moving stuff like sports and such.
120hz does have a very strange look to it. i couldnt peg out exactly why it looked that way.
my friend has a samsung LCD with 120hz refresh rate and Blue Ray, At first i figured it was 1080P + 120hz that gave it a very un-lifelike fluidity, then one day he had an standard definition episode of seinfeld on and it had that same unrealistic supersmooth feel to it. I couldnt figure out why it looked that way, im definatly going to look at it harder next time.
it comes off very strange visually, it was cool with Transformers because it seems like you can see every last detail, yet, it still looked incorrect or un-lifelike...
i was suggesting 120hz refresh because the 60hz refresh seems to have motion blur on fast moving stuff like sports and such.
120hz does have a very strange look to it. i couldnt peg out exactly why it looked that way.
my friend has a samsung LCD with 120hz refresh rate and Blue Ray, At first i figured it was 1080P + 120hz that gave it a very un-lifelike fluidity, then one day he had an standard definition episode of seinfeld on and it had that same unrealistic supersmooth feel to it. I couldnt figure out why it looked that way, im definatly going to look at it harder next time.
it comes off very strange visually, it was cool with Transformers because it seems like you can see every last detail, yet, it still looked incorrect or un-lifelike...
Nice find there Jack. That is exactly why I'm a plasma fanboy. Lol.
#37
12-14-2009, 04:07 PM
Damn, ok so next time im definatly going to pay attention to that. Back in the 90's there was a 3D pepsi commercial aird on tv with the superbowl and a 3d halftime superbowl if you had the right glasses, it had that very unnatural fluid movement to it i wonder if that had a similar but more crude version of that technology.
having 2 refresh rates one on background and one on fforeground would definatly explain why the 120hz LCD TV's have that problem. it just doesent look natural.
Hey RebelYell, Stick with the plasma, it is still better than LCD unless you are concerned with the extra 120watts to run the tv, or the weight.
#38
12-14-2009, 05:29 PM
man, im boggled... I dont get ANY of the visual issues you guys are talking about. I have a 1 year old Samsung LCD... it was their top-tier model one year ago...I have no idea what the refresh rate is...I think its 120, but I use it for HD tv, HD movies and as my PC monitor without ANY of the issues that are being talked about in this thread.
#39
12-14-2009, 05:44 PM
man, im boggled... I dont get ANY of the visual issues you guys are talking about. I have a 1 year old Samsung LCD... it was their top-tier model one year ago...I have no idea what the refresh rate is...I think its 120, but I use it for HD tv, HD movies and as my PC monitor without ANY of the issues that are being talked about in this thread.
are you sure it is 120hz then?
cause the srtrange unlifelike superfluid movement i see on my buddys LCD is VERY noticable, he doesent notice it much because he is so used to it, but he admitted it took a while to get used to.
#40
12-14-2009, 05:54 PM
yup, 120 hertz. so says the manual at least. I dont watch much sports other than UFC, so maybe thats why I have never noticed it.
#41
12-14-2009, 05:58 PM
maybe that affect is more prone on some TV's... if you have no idea what we are talking about then your TV is not doing what we are referring to, i mean, it is noticeable as hell. super fluid and unlifelike movement on damn near any moving image displayed on the tv.
#42
12-14-2009, 08:44 PM
maybe that affect is more prone on some TV's... if you have no idea what we are talking about then your TV is not doing what we are referring to, i mean, it is noticeable as hell. super fluid and unlifelike movement on damn near any moving image displayed on the tv.
its not doing those things...but I noticed something... when I have my tv on PC mode, it shows it at 60hz... when I have the dvd player on, it says 120hz. Every time I change the source, it displays the source and the hz's, and the hz's vary.
#43
12-14-2009, 09:18 PM
We're definatley going with the Panasonic Viera 50" plasma. And I think it will be the 60hz. 720p thing. Cost effective for us and they ******* look great IMHO. Truthfully though I didn't see any 50" tv's plasma or LCD that didn't look good. We are probably gonna get a 32" for my son too.. He deserves it. He didn't get into any trouble at all last week.. 
. Thanks again for all the help, and either way it will be up a big step from what I'm watching now. 
. Thanks again for all the help, and either way it will be up a big step from what I'm watching now.
#44
12-14-2009, 09:25 PM
We're definatley going with the Panasonic Viera 50" plasma. And I think it will be the 60hz. 720p thing. Cost effective for us and they ******* look great IMHO. Truthfully though I didn't see any 50" tv's plasma or LCD that didn't look good. We are probably gonna get a 32" for my son too.. He deserves it. He didn't get into any trouble at all last week.. . Thanks again for all the help, and either way it will be up a big step from what I'm watching now.
. Thanks again for all the help, and either way it will be up a big step from what I'm watching now. damn, all your kid has to do is be good for a week and he gets a 32'' plasma/LCD tv for xmas??
#45
12-14-2009, 10:57 PM
LOL. Plus it will get rid of his 32" Box TV.. I can't explain why he has it like this, but I agree ( Not that it matters) to it because I'm the keeper o' the peace, I'm outnumbered on the defense side.. Plus I love the ****** too.. Anyway 32" is only like 300 bucks.. 
#46
12-15-2009, 04:11 AM
I notice it a bit when I play video games on my 40" samsung I just got. It only has a 60hz refresh rate, but it was such a good price I can live with it.
#47
12-15-2009, 11:35 AM
I have a 46" LED TV from Samsung and all i have to say is, it took me a while to adjust to how clear and life like the image is. IMO i havent found a tv that has a picture like my Samsung Led has! Oh and you cant beat the weight or thickness of it either!
#48
12-15-2009, 01:54 PM
i have a 42" LG LCD 1080... only 60Hz. I love it. it is perfect for my xbox360 as it has HDMI and i have not had a issue with it yet. My mom me and my two older brothers are trying to get my Dad a Plasma for christmas. I am really interested to compair the two!
#49
12-15-2009, 07:09 PM
I am a big fan of plasma myself. I don't know if it was mentioned but panasonic rates their plasma TV's at a half life of 100,000 hours. The TCP50S1 is a great TV and has the tuff panel (6X more impact resistant than a traditional screen) if you are going to be playing Wii. I have the Samsung pn50b860 but I only bought that because I got it at cost, the Panasonic has a better value for the price IMHO.
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#50
12-15-2009, 08:33 PM
dont go plasma. glare, reflection, over heating. why do you think LCD, LED are becoming more popular and you can get plasmas so cheap!? cuz they are out dated!!
#51
12-15-2009, 08:49 PM
#52
12-15-2009, 09:12 PM
I see....didn't know that. I just keep hearing bad things about plasma. I have 6 LCDs in my house so I don't know plasma.
#53
12-15-2009, 09:25 PM
You aren't the only one, a lot of people only hear about the rumors or problems with the older Plasma's. Plasma's were not always great TV's, they had their problems in the early stages but have come a long way. LCD/LED TV's are great too they all have their good points and dawn sides I just prefer the plasma myself.
#54
12-15-2009, 09:46 PM
The plasma TV I have is amazing and big enough to hold me over. I bought the TV in November 2007 and its specs and price were second to none back then. 1000 bucks Hitachi 42" plasma 1080p 60hz contrast ratio is ridiculous. I havent even touched 1080p with it I only watch stuff in 480...my x-box is VGA so I do play games in 720p setting which is good enough.
My 32" LCD is retarded bright and flickers real bad on Dark to Bright scenes. Its annoying but doesnt flicker to the point where someone will have a seizure. Suppose thats what I get for buying some of the fisrt LCD screens built by panasonic. I use the **** out of it too...its my bedroom TV and I forget about the sleep button on occasion...I'm the type that falls asleep with a movie playing. I dont know why.
My 32" LCD is retarded bright and flickers real bad on Dark to Bright scenes. Its annoying but doesnt flicker to the point where someone will have a seizure. Suppose thats what I get for buying some of the fisrt LCD screens built by panasonic. I use the **** out of it too...its my bedroom TV and I forget about the sleep button on occasion...I'm the type that falls asleep with a movie playing. I dont know why.
#55
12-16-2009, 08:27 AM
I'm very happy with my 52" 1080p Samsung LCD. It's only 60hz, but a year ago when I got it, it was only $1300. The picture is great and I don't have any problems with it. My xbox runs great on it and watching blu rays is awesome. I know Plasmas are suppose to have the better picture, but I'm very happy with mine. I say, go find a tv you like in the price range you like whether it's plasma or lcd. I haven't watched football in 120hz, but when I see a blu ray played in 120hz, I can't stand it.
#56
12-16-2009, 04:51 PM
neither of my plasmas have any problems with glare, reflection or overheating.
LCD is still inferior to plasma on every test they perform. lower contrast ratio, weaker blaack levels, etc.
i cant comment on LED, other than it looks like it is the ****.
#57
01-01-2010, 10:37 PM
Got my new TV yesterday. 50" Panasonic Plasma, 720P. (on sale for $699)Took a while to decide, but we figured in 5 years we will probably upgrade and everything will better by then. TV looks great and we are very satisfied so far. Plenty of adjustments to make screen like you want. Glare is not a problem. plus my wii looks fcking awesome now.. Thanks again for all the advice. I really took heed to it all and it helped in our decision. You guys are good at advice and stuff.. 
#58
01-01-2010, 11:44 PM
Got my new TV yesterday. 50" Panasonic Plasma, 720P. (on sale for $699)Took a while to decide, but we figured in 5 years we will probably upgrade and everything will better by then. TV looks great and we are very satisfied so far. Plenty of adjustments to make screen like you want. Glare is not a problem. plus my wii looks fcking awesome now.. Thanks again for all the advice. I really took heed to it all and it helped in our decision. You guys are good at advice and stuff..
Wii bowling is actually fun with a big screen.
