What do you think?
#32
Lol..you're still missing something........ adding that FI to the GT will just add extra $$ to the cost, thereby making it significantly more expensive than a turbo'd or supercharged V6, you're spending more $$ on the GT no matter what you do, unless you find an amazing deal on one in the same price range as a V6 stang (highly unlikely, but sometimes people get lucky).
I'm not talking about mod for mod, I'm talking about cost effectiveness, take your car for example..you're trying to get what, 17.5 for it? My car was $7,200, if I wanted to dump 10G's into it I could make it run circles around a GT and run better 1/4 than a stock cobra, yes a terminator. And after all that it'd be the same as just buying your GT, but with a lot more power..see where this is going? A stock GT runs around 250rwhp 280rwtq, varying on transmission and condition, you could do an N/A buildup to a V6 and match that, or go FI and surpass it spending less than $4,500.
Yes, mod for mod a GT will win, but that's not the point, if it was then why bother modding any car?
I'm not talking about mod for mod, I'm talking about cost effectiveness, take your car for example..you're trying to get what, 17.5 for it? My car was $7,200, if I wanted to dump 10G's into it I could make it run circles around a GT and run better 1/4 than a stock cobra, yes a terminator. And after all that it'd be the same as just buying your GT, but with a lot more power..see where this is going? A stock GT runs around 250rwhp 280rwtq, varying on transmission and condition, you could do an N/A buildup to a V6 and match that, or go FI and surpass it spending less than $4,500.
Yes, mod for mod a GT will win, but that's not the point, if it was then why bother modding any car?
also, who is going to do the work? not to mention the cost of getting the tunes as major changes are done, there goes 400-500 a pop. Plus, how reliable will the v6 be after that much modding?
You want to talk cost effectiveness?
1989 Mustang 5.0 = Under 3,000
Anderson ford motorsports quickit 1 = 1,400, yields dyno proven 230whp
(intake, headers, xpipe, exhaust, plus more)
Anderson ford motorsports quickit 2 = 2,400, yields dyno proven 330whp.
(heads, upper/lower intake, cam swap, +more)
Basic 5psi paxton supercharger for 5.0, 2,000, hitting about 400whwp
So that is what, 9,000 bucks right? for a 400+whp supercharged mustang 5.0 with a built engine that can handle that power all day long.
(there is more than one reason im selling the GT )
How much did your V6 cost you?
more than 9,000?
this game can be played all day long, but the V8 has better potential for less cost. Thats all im saying.
So the whole cost thing down the toilet, MOD VS MOD the V8 will always out HP and out Tq the V6
#33
Well for us younger people, time is kind of an important factor on this hobby, Where will we be in terms of gas in 4 years? I know I don't want to be paying $6.00/gal on a Mach1 that gets 15mpg. Most of these guys in their late teens that somehow end up getting a Mach 1 or Cobra end up selling it because of that kind of stuff, and people really just get bored of them. The people on 3.8mustang who upgrade from their performance-stock v6's and get GTs usually end up selling them or trading them anyway. I'd rather just have this done now, in about a year I can have a decently quick V6 mustang that I don't have to worry about financing or increase insurance costs or any of the other bullshit you go through when buying a new car.
Gas will be 8 bucks a gallon, we will all have beat up 1984 honda civic commuters cause they get 40mpg and cruise the stangs around arounnd on weekends.
#35
First off, how will the tranny hold up? rear end? suspension? Cant just work the engine, gotta do other stuff too.
also, who is going to do the work? not to mention the cost of getting the tunes as major changes are done, there goes 400-500 a pop. Plus, how reliable will the v6 be after that much modding?
You want to talk cost effectiveness?
1989 Mustang 5.0 = Under 3,000
Anderson ford motorsports quickit 1 = 1,400, yields dyno proven 230whp
(intake, headers, xpipe, exhaust, plus more)
Anderson ford motorsports quickit 2 = 2,400, yields dyno proven 330whp.
(heads, upper/lower intake, cam swap, +more)
Basic 5psi paxton supercharger for 5.0, 2,000, hitting about 400whwp
So that is what, 9,000 bucks right? for a 400+whp supercharged mustang 5.0 with a built engine that can handle that power all day long.
(there is more than one reason im selling the GT )
How much did your V6 cost you?
more than 9,000?
this game can be played all day long, but the V8 has better potential for less cost. Thats all im saying.
So the whole cost thing down the toilet, MOD VS MOD the V8 will always out HP and out Tq the V6
also, who is going to do the work? not to mention the cost of getting the tunes as major changes are done, there goes 400-500 a pop. Plus, how reliable will the v6 be after that much modding?
You want to talk cost effectiveness?
1989 Mustang 5.0 = Under 3,000
Anderson ford motorsports quickit 1 = 1,400, yields dyno proven 230whp
(intake, headers, xpipe, exhaust, plus more)
Anderson ford motorsports quickit 2 = 2,400, yields dyno proven 330whp.
(heads, upper/lower intake, cam swap, +more)
Basic 5psi paxton supercharger for 5.0, 2,000, hitting about 400whwp
So that is what, 9,000 bucks right? for a 400+whp supercharged mustang 5.0 with a built engine that can handle that power all day long.
(there is more than one reason im selling the GT )
How much did your V6 cost you?
more than 9,000?
this game can be played all day long, but the V8 has better potential for less cost. Thats all im saying.
So the whole cost thing down the toilet, MOD VS MOD the V8 will always out HP and out Tq the V6
The stock 7.5" rear can handle upwards of 300rwhp without problems, some people including a member on this board has more power on his 7.5", maybe not with drag radials and launching at high RPMs, but if you aren't stupid with it you'll have no problems. Transmissions in the V6s are the same as GTs so whatever changes we'd have to make, you would too, useless point.
Lets take the Procharger kit from VMP tuning as an FI example, the kit's $4,500 and comes with everything needed including an Xcal 2 and remote tuning for the kit for your specific vehicle. That's everything you need right there and you're already faster than GTs, and have room with work with. You'll have to do some exhaust work for sure, which could be around $800-1000, but honestly..what mustang owner who mods their car doesn't eventually do exhaust work anyways?
Kind of pointless to bring a different completely different platform into the argument, yeah building a 5.0 is cheap, why? Because they're a lot older than SN95s, and not everyone and their brother has a high demand on aftermarket parts for them. Plus they're also ugly..lol
My V6 was $7,200.
#39
I learned to drive in my 95 v6, it had enough power for me at the time to have fun and not get in too much trouble. I quickly outgrew her performance, and even though she was sexy as hell, I traded her up for my GT. I couldnt be happier, if I had continued to mod my six, I can tell you I would NOT BE AS HAPPY. Yes, one man's experience, but it COULD BE YOU!
#40
Did you expect me not to be able to answer those questions? lol
The stock 7.5" rear can handle upwards of 300rwhp without problems, some people including a member on this board has more power on his 7.5", maybe not with drag radials and launching at high RPMs, but if you aren't stupid with it you'll have no problems. Transmissions in the V6s are the same as GTs so whatever changes we'd have to make, you would too, useless point.
Lets take the Procharger kit from VMP tuning as an FI example, the kit's $4,500 and comes with everything needed including an Xcal 2 and remote tuning for the kit for your specific vehicle. That's everything you need right there and you're already faster than GTs, and have room with work with. You'll have to do some exhaust work for sure, which could be around $800-1000, but honestly..what mustang owner who mods their car doesn't eventually do exhaust work anyways?
Kind of pointless to bring a different completely different platform into the argument, yeah building a 5.0 is cheap, why? Because they're a lot older than SN95s, and not everyone and their brother has a high demand on aftermarket parts for them. Plus they're also ugly..lol
My V6 was $7,200.
The stock 7.5" rear can handle upwards of 300rwhp without problems, some people including a member on this board has more power on his 7.5", maybe not with drag radials and launching at high RPMs, but if you aren't stupid with it you'll have no problems. Transmissions in the V6s are the same as GTs so whatever changes we'd have to make, you would too, useless point.
Lets take the Procharger kit from VMP tuning as an FI example, the kit's $4,500 and comes with everything needed including an Xcal 2 and remote tuning for the kit for your specific vehicle. That's everything you need right there and you're already faster than GTs, and have room with work with. You'll have to do some exhaust work for sure, which could be around $800-1000, but honestly..what mustang owner who mods their car doesn't eventually do exhaust work anyways?
Kind of pointless to bring a different completely different platform into the argument, yeah building a 5.0 is cheap, why? Because they're a lot older than SN95s, and not everyone and their brother has a high demand on aftermarket parts for them. Plus they're also ugly..lol
My V6 was $7,200.
pointless to bring up another platform? i thought this was about price?
well what is it? is it about engine superiority? or price? it has to be one or the other. You cant claim engine superiority because of price, when you could get a 5.0 for a lot less than the milkjug
the fact is if you want to go fast you have to spend money. You see it as pointless to start out with a better platform? then go trade in your mustang and get a honda, that is how your arguement sounds, the typical small engine with supercharger vs v8. but then throw on blinders and apparently refuse the concept of putting a supercharger on a v8.
anyways yeah, maybe it diddnt make sence to you to buy a GT, but it might for him, he is asking opinions i say start out with a bigger engine and work with that. He is looking at 3-4 years down the road, i fully 100% reccommend at LEAST a GT if not a Mach 1 or Cobra, or if money is an isssue go with one of those sweet oldschool foxbodys
Trust me gas isnt going anywhere in the next 4 years.
i just think if he is trying to plan out what he wants, and power is what he wants, it would be sort of dumb to start out with a v6 if he can afford the v8 and the drivetrain that comes along with it
#41
Damn, if you had another 1,800 you could have had something that could rape cobras for breakfast, but instead you got a 17 second car. lol.
pointless to bring up another platform? i thought this was about price?
well what is it? is it about engine superiority? or price? it has to be one or the other. You cant claim engine superiority because of price, when you could get a 5.0 for a lot less than the milkjug
the fact is if you want to go fast you have to spend money. You see it as pointless to start out with a better platform? then go trade in your mustang and get a honda, that is how your arguement sounds, the typical small engine with supercharger vs v8. but then throw on blinders and apparently refuse the concept of putting a supercharger on a v8.
anyways yeah, maybe it diddnt make sence to you to buy a GT, but it might for him, he is asking opinions i say start out with a bigger engine and work with that. He is looking at 3-4 years down the road, i fully 100% reccommend at LEAST a GT if not a Mach 1 or Cobra, or if money is an isssue go with one of those sweet oldschool foxbodys
Trust me gas isnt going anywhere in the next 4 years.
i just think if he is trying to plan out what he wants, and power is what he wants, it would be sort of dumb to start out with a v6 if he can afford the v8 and the drivetrain that comes along with it
pointless to bring up another platform? i thought this was about price?
well what is it? is it about engine superiority? or price? it has to be one or the other. You cant claim engine superiority because of price, when you could get a 5.0 for a lot less than the milkjug
the fact is if you want to go fast you have to spend money. You see it as pointless to start out with a better platform? then go trade in your mustang and get a honda, that is how your arguement sounds, the typical small engine with supercharger vs v8. but then throw on blinders and apparently refuse the concept of putting a supercharger on a v8.
anyways yeah, maybe it diddnt make sence to you to buy a GT, but it might for him, he is asking opinions i say start out with a bigger engine and work with that. He is looking at 3-4 years down the road, i fully 100% reccommend at LEAST a GT if not a Mach 1 or Cobra, or if money is an isssue go with one of those sweet oldschool foxbodys
Trust me gas isnt going anywhere in the next 4 years.
i just think if he is trying to plan out what he wants, and power is what he wants, it would be sort of dumb to start out with a v6 if he can afford the v8 and the drivetrain that comes along with it
you have me convinced jack. Yes on the show no on the go and save for a HOE!! hahaha id so rather wait a few years a get a 04 cobra. Be well worth the wait in my opinion than blowiing pointless time and money on a car that prolly wont do all that much for me.
I appreciate all of your peoples insights and i have looked at the numbers time and time again and modding a v6 is not all that worth it. I rather make my car look cool as **** and just let those v8s just parade around but when i am able to buy my own terminator it will sure as **** be pouncing on gts, mach1s, vettes you name it! I have stated my case
#43
it's gonna go up a hell of a lot for sure. I don't even want to think about what it will be at in 4 years. The markets were going crazy when a barrel of oil was about to break 100 and what less than a year later its around 120+. Can't wait for Memorial Day its already about $4
#45
I think you guys driving your V-6's should think about one thing, the torque factor, That's where you feel the "pinned me in my seat" feeling. V-8's do that on a stock level with GT's. Sure add more HP to the V-6. But a V-8 will still give you more torque, and that gives GT's the advantage when it comes to getting off to a really good start at any street light, stock or whatever. I've busted a few asses without actually racing just because I have a V-8 that's got pretty good torque for a stock GT.. By the the time I hit 60 to 80 mph I'll be slowing down. But you will have seen my rear bumper the whole time..
#48
Im almost 20 in college. Have my v6 stang and only required to pay for everything other than insurance. Two things have been on my mind:
1) Keep the v6 and continue modding it with eventual engine stroking and etc
OR
2) Save my money, hault the v6 mods
The job i am planning on getting in 3-4 years will pay me pretty well so i am leaning towards keeping the 6 because it is pretty baller. What do you guys think?
1) Keep the v6 and continue modding it with eventual engine stroking and etc
OR
2) Save my money, hault the v6 mods
The job i am planning on getting in 3-4 years will pay me pretty well so i am leaning towards keeping the 6 because it is pretty baller. What do you guys think?
#49
That is what I am doing, it is to the point where I am taking time off of work to play because I make more money that way. Sunday I went home after 2 hours and ended up winning $500 instead. Plus I got to watch the Boston Atlanta embarassment.
#50
Damn, if you had another 1,800 you could have had something that could rape cobras for breakfast, but instead you got a 17 second car. lol.
pointless to bring up another platform? i thought this was about price?
well what is it? is it about engine superiority? or price? it has to be one or the other. You cant claim engine superiority because of price, when you could get a 5.0 for a lot less than the milkjug
pointless to bring up another platform? i thought this was about price?
well what is it? is it about engine superiority? or price? it has to be one or the other. You cant claim engine superiority because of price, when you could get a 5.0 for a lot less than the milkjug
The 5.0 is a completely different car then an SN95 mustang, the only thing they share is the chassis, GTs and V6s of the SN95 series are a much more logical comparison than a 5.0 vs SN95 v6 since the two prior share pretty much every aspect except the motors. If you're going to start comparing the price of building a foxbody to an SN95, why not throw an old pushrod GM in there too, or maybe an LS1 which more powerful than any of the previously stated?
I don't know, maybe it's your kind of thing to drive around in a powerful yet over fair condition car (see 1980's honda civic ). Yeah the 5.0 will be fast but will it look/ride/feel good? Foxbodies aren't really my thing, I'd rather have a newer car, that has all of it's paint, a digital odometer and power windows, that's somewhat powerful..a little more balanced overall. You;'re also a lot older than me and your life's pretty much been established, you know what lays ahead of you (for the most part) so you can have the time and $ to do stuff like build a drag racing car in your garage in your spare time. I'm only 18 so it makes no sense whatsoever to do that, I have to have a car that I can always be driving and I don't have the time nor $ to start a project car right now, so buying a S/C and putting it on what I have now is a much more sound option for myself.
I think you guys driving your V-6's should think about one thing, the torque factor, That's where you feel the "pinned me in my seat" feeling. V-8's do that on a stock level with GT's. Sure add more HP to the V-6. But a V-8 will still give you more torque, and that gives GT's the advantage when it comes to getting off to a really good start at any street light, stock or whatever. I've busted a few asses without actually racing just because I have a V-8 that's got pretty good torque for a stock GT.. By the the time I hit 60 to 80 miles per hour I'll be slowing down. But you will have seen my rear bumper the whole time..
Unless you put an Eaton blower on the v6, then you'll have much more low end torque.
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#51
it's gonna go up a hell of a lot for sure. I don't even want to think about what it will be at in 4 years. The markets were going crazy when a barrel of oil was about to break 100 and what less than a year later its around 120+. Can't wait for Memorial Day its already about $4
we have been spoiled a long time, the glory days are gone, but gas will level out, the economy will learn to work with it, and we will survive.
i really do believe mosst people who want a V8 will also have a commuter.
#52
agreed, everyones going to be driving around in Honda's lol and then the v8 sports cars will be for the weekends haha
#56
No thanks man. I'd take the 10k and the Cobra and build a better looking and faster car.
#58
in defense of the V6 option look at stangcharger, 430rwhp, yeah thats alot out of the V6, obviously he has significant mods, but the V6 can be built just as well as the GT can.
Although, personally this summer I am looking at the V8 option, just because I hate my auto tranny, and love the sound of a cammed V8. But in the end it all boils down to cost and what do you feel is reasonable to spend on a car. I mean yeah my V6 cost 7k, but dropping another 4-7k into it isnt' going to make it worth any more, and when you are all done are you going to be truly satisfied with it, or still wishing/wondering if you should have upgrade to a V8 model. I can't see spending 4k on a Vortech when my entire car was only 3k more, idk maybe it is just me, but all this kind of stuff has been going through my mind as I try to decide what to do. and I am still torn!
Although, personally this summer I am looking at the V8 option, just because I hate my auto tranny, and love the sound of a cammed V8. But in the end it all boils down to cost and what do you feel is reasonable to spend on a car. I mean yeah my V6 cost 7k, but dropping another 4-7k into it isnt' going to make it worth any more, and when you are all done are you going to be truly satisfied with it, or still wishing/wondering if you should have upgrade to a V8 model. I can't see spending 4k on a Vortech when my entire car was only 3k more, idk maybe it is just me, but all this kind of stuff has been going through my mind as I try to decide what to do. and I am still torn!
#59
hell yeah i would take the z06 those are ******* badass..and they are alittle more well built in my opinion in all areas lol
#60
if you got a cobra and a ZO6 and put the same about of money in both the corvette would win. now i love mustangs and im a hard core fan and could never see my self not having one. but the a corvette is one the best cars of all time imo, and you cant lose with GM engines.