I dont know if you guys keep up with politics but this issue directly effects us.

http://themustangnews.com/fomoco_07/st-1207cafe.htm

The above article talks about a bill called Cafe (escalating Corporate Average Fuel Economy) It will force starting 2011 that all car makers raise their average fuel economy by 40% up from the 27.5 that it is now and by 2020 the average mpg must be 35mpg! The bill was signed 12/19/07 It looks as if the past is going to repeat itself. Have a read. Any thoughts?

 

The government is full of ****..

 

oh come on now. Car companies can 35 mpg out of there cars now they just dont its not that hard it just costs them more to do it so they dont.

im not worried about it they will never get rid of the V8 ever!!!

 

yeah im not so sure about that... i think its just a load of bullshit

 

They've been "talking" about this forever.. still hasn't happened....

 

LOL we'll see about that...

 

...its not possible.. I mean...wtf are people going to do without v8 trucks? get 8 hondas to pull the same thing? ;x

 

i love my 13 mpg car! haha. This just means all of our cars will go up in value b/c they will became rare. They should just go back to a four cylinder mustang and make it so it gets 35mpg. Nothing says we cant swap a v8 into it after it leaves the dealership. I will keep my v8 forever, but maybe pick up a STI or something like that down the road as well...

 

nooo i would die if this happened. im still in high school and im lucky and happy to have my sixer. but i would totally rather have a GT. and was planning to get one when i graduated from college. but i gotta go for six years....


and yeah if this did happen old gt's would be rare. and to buy a v8 and get it installed would cost an arm and a leg

 

should I be glad I"m 55 and likely might miss most of this ****?

 

i dont think we have any thing to worry. about the 8 will all ways be the king of the street i think if they make this happen they will just put some kind of tax on the 8s.

 

cafe is fleet average for included vehicles. it will never remove larger engines but it will increase the requirement to get alternative fuels out and accepted.

 

great post!!

 

todd, your need to post one more time. Look at your post count....666....

 

Thanks dude!!!

Noticed you are in Evansville, my favorite baseball player is from there!!

 

Well the bill has already been passed and its a average mpg for all the cars in a givin company just one 500hp gt500 with 15mpg will bring down their average by a lot and dont forget ford doesnt have a single car with 35 mpg they are going to have to invest a lot of their revenue to meet these new requirments i personally think the day of "new" muscle cars is over at least they will be few and far between to many people scared of global warming so buy the perfect mustang you want in the next few years instant classics!

 

Well, I guess that would depend upon what their definition of "Brand" is... The ford "family" includes Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Jaguar and Land Rover..

As far as ford not having any 35mpg vehicles..

Focus = 35Mpg
Escape Hybrid = 34Mpg

Obviously that's not much to work with, but with alternative fuels and innovation, 35Mpg Average within 12 years shouldn't be much of an issue..

 

I fully support laws to increase mpg. Getting to 35 mpg by 2020 is sad if you ask me. It should be more like 50 mpg.

Did you know that VW has a car in Europe that gets 65 mpg? And you can buy it right dam now if you are over there.

I think these laws are healthy in a lot of ways, because it forces a fleet average. It also means that they have to build affordable, high-milage vehicles, because otherwise they won't sell.

Keep in mind that gas prices could be twice what they are now by 2020. Look at what has happened in the last 12 years. Gas was $1.40 a gallon (in today's dollars)....now it is $3.00. Don't think $6.00 can't happen.

If we start bombing Iran, we will all be taking the bus to work. In 1981 when the Iran/Iraq Wa started, gas prices jumped $1.00. If we were to bomb Iran today, I would expect prices to jump in the $5.00 range over night.

This is EXACTLY why we need to improve fuel efficiency. Not because of price, but so we can stop relying on foreign oil. Guys, this is an accident waiting to happen and it is going to happen.

 

w00t

I can't wait for E85 myself. Sure I'll have to install a 25 gallon tank and 42lb injectors but it's 120 octane... I can have 14:1 compression on the street.

 

Don't get too excited. I live in the land of E-85! It is everywhere here, but the quality is too variable to be reliably used the way you would want it. The ethonal concentration can range from 70 to 85% and so the octane changes from 105 to about 120. The changes are pretty much seasonal as there are different blends. Perhaps in Ca this would not be too much of an issue, but can you imagine having a 120 octane tune, but then pump 105 into the car?

 

gulp... BANG!

 

Exactly! Already been happening. There is a tuner in the area that is doing pretty well with E-85 tunes. I may actually do it in the summer. The trick is to tune the car for worst blend, but then you leave power on the table. Follow me?

 

I don't have a problem with the law....I'm sure they will continue to produce the V-8, but add a nice gas guzzler tax to it or something, which they already do. (at least in Cali). Or what if they produced V-8's that would allow the owner to shut off 4 of the cylinders on the freeway and achieve the goals? I think Chevy might be doing that already with some of their trucks

 

I think they call that DOD "Displacement on Demand" or some ****, and there was speculation of it being in the 010 mustangs

 

Chevy and Chrysler are doing that now on most if not all of their V-8's. Just keep in mind, you only save if you keep your foot off the gas.