take a minute to wrap your mind around this

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...ref=newssearch


now any of us in military or intell positions know that nothing is made public until after its been done so lets think about this...animal human hybrid babies? thats where we are now? if they are at the point where they are discussing it in public then that means that somewhere out there in some base theres a kid saying moo while hes shaving...wow...what a world we live in...
Doctor Moreau is out there..lol...WHAT IS THE LAW?

 

oh the bible thumpers are going to love this! I say we master cloning and then find the ultimate soldier and clone him....then we could have clone wars! ha ha ha

 

All they are doing is taking human DNA and putting it in an animal egg with no DNA. I don't see a real issue with this unless you have a problem with playing with human DNA in the first place.

The Creationists will no doubt have a problem with it, but it is science plain and simple. I am sure someone had a problem with the first surgical procedure 1000 years ago by saying "hey, if God wanted him to live he would not have made him sick". Seriously, definitions change over time.

 

Sounds weird. I wonder how thats going to turn out. What would happen if they let the egg keep growing?

 

bingo...thats my point...i wonder...you wonder....anyone would wonder....except they dont have to wonder...they have a lab in europe where none of our silly laws apply...so you know that if they say it can be done...it HAS BEEN done

 

so soon...humans will have hoofs instead of feet.

 

Hypothetical situation......

You have a young child who gets in an accident, breaks his spine and is burned from the head to toe. Due to advances in stem cell research, the doctor says "we can grow new skin and mend the spine. Your baby will by 95% as good as new and can live a normal life. BUT, the governement just past a law that won't allow us to use any of the technology anymore."

How will you feel?

Looks, I don't want anyone making kids with hoofs, but there are tons of benefits to this stuff. ****, the religious fanatics used to believe the world was flat and it was blasphemy to say otherwise. In fact, they used to believe that the Earth was also the center of the universe.

Let's stop abortion first and stop worrying about science trying to make our lives better.

 

people have been getting pigvalves installed in thier hearts for a long time now. i dont see what the big deal about this is.

 

Lets not.

im tired of seeing 17 year old teenagers with kids who are not going to be able to live a good life because her mom phucked some guy for crack and she got pregnant.

Accidents happen, my ex had to get an abortion, do i regret it no. That kid would of had a terrible life, not only are we not together anymore so that kid would of lived a life without both his parents but we both are not at the level to have a child.

 

remember a while back when we had this conversation since im pro-choice, and yer pro-life and you said the second i looked at my baby i would change my mind?

i diddnt. lol. im still very pro-choice.

not sure what the whole abortion thing has to do with any of this anyways.

Personally i think that people should have to have a Permit to have a child anyways. too many people ruining perfectly good babies and turning them into shitty people who will in return ruin more perfectly good babies. Good babies are good babies, but there aint enough good parents to go around.


As far as stem cells and stuff, well, why not? All these people who are uncomfortable with this research and opposed to it would probably start singing a different song if thier kid was in waterdr's hypothetical situation.

Here is another hypothetical situation that actually just happened a few days ago.

A kid my wife works with, a 17 yr old gay boy died this weekend. Well. he diddnt die right then. really, but is quite dead now.
He was with his boyfriend and 2 female friends. His boyfriend was driving and they ran a stop sign and were broadsided by a full sized refridgerated truck that was going fast enough to demolish the truck, killing the 2 teenage female passengers in the rear immediatly. His boyfriend the driver looks like he will make it. There was no achohol or drug use involved. Danny suffered severe brain damage, to the point where his body was not much more than a bag of living organs with a "as far as medical technology could determine" non functioning brain. .

So they chopped little danny up and started handing out his organs like a corndog vendor at a carnival.

So. Was danny dead? Nobody seemed to have an issue with giving out his organs. an 11 year old girl is alive today because she got his heart.

So we have already determined that a "living person" seeing as how his body is alive is quite ok to chop up and put to donor uses. However a miscarridge or dead foetus is NOT ok. While little girl gets his heart, a person who could benefit from stem cells to repair thier spine cant have it done because it is from a baby/foetus/embro rather than an adult?

Why not?

The embryo's have no sence of self being. If you want to sat Prove they dont, well, prove danny diddnt. They could not detect any through process, but his body is alive.

He couldnt live without life support maybe? Well, show me an embro or a hard-core premie that CAN live without life support.

babies while alive and concious are not NEARLY at the same level of conciousness as an adult is. I guess it would be safe to assume lesser developed foetuses are even less concious.

i dont see anything wrong with stemcell research. It can save lives. Just like chopping up ol dannyboy saved a bunch of lives.

i guess whenever something has anything to do with a baby it is wrong, but adults are fair game.

 

actually my point wasnt abortion or even stem cells...its the abuse that any wise man knows is going on...and lets not pretend that we dont believe those scientists have a colony of freaks somewhere underground...somewhere out there is a halfman halfcow sitting in a cage gettin poked and prodded...or a man/pig...a girl/sheep (ultimate fantasy for a hillbilly)...thats what bothers me...these guys arent stoppin at stem cell research...why should they...thats the whole point of the european lab...just sux when ya think about it

 

or maybe they made a real life goatboy!

 

im cereal guyths! manbearpig is out there!

 

Oh ****, here we go again.......

Anyway, lets look at this from an ethics issue, rather then a morale one. While ethics are based on morality, it uses logic rather then just belief which is the heart of morality.

So, here goes....

The ethical difference between abortion, stem cell research, and organ donating has to do with benefiting the greater good and the basis for the action in the first place..

A dead person is dead.....if something good can come from it, that is positive, but the person is already dead. The benefit of using organs was NOT the reason why the person was killed. Using someone's organs does not make the actions of a drunk driver just EVEN if 10 people benefit, because the death took place for the wrong intention. So, while it is wrong to die in a wreck, it is ethically fine to use the organs UNLESS the person was killed just for the organs.

Stem cell research provides a great deal of potential benefit to society. The issue to me is where do the cells come from in the first place. Taking stem cells from a placenta is fine IMO. ****, taking them from an aborted fetus may also be ethically OK, so long as the fetus was not harvested JUST for the cells.

Abortion is purely a selfish act in nearly all cases. Some people say it is not CLAIMING it is done for the betterment of the child. However, from an ethical standpoint one could make the point in certain situations that life would be soo horrible that the only conclusion would be death such as in the case of an awful birth defect or disease. BUT, as long as there are people who come from crappy situations with all strikes against them who go on to do great things, I say 99% of people who abort are only trying to make their own situation better.

One thing that I find appalling about the logic of the Pro-Choice group, is that the focus on the "choice" is given to the Mother. Where is the choice of the fetus? This is one of the main reasons why abortion is thically wrong, selfish, and hippocrtical. Choice is choice. When you make a choice which prevents the choice of another, that is selfish.

 

BTW Jack, you still may change and I am betting you will.