the saleen mustang. It's Extreme saleen throws down 550 hp from the crank, has completely done bodywork, 6 speed tranny, everything you need. The only thing it doesnt have is the popularity of a cobra. And with what some people are paying over the shelby's msrp(10-20k OVER, which makes about 60 grand fully loaded), why not just get the extreme saleen? Its msrp on the site goes for right around 70 grand. It weighs 400 lbs more than the new z06 and has 50 more hp(and 50 more than the shelby as well). Enough to makeup for the weight difference? It's weight-to-power ratio is verrrry close(just a hair more, and in this ratio, more = not as fast) All my question is, is why are all eyes on the new cobra and how IT is gonna be the vette beater when you alrady got a special edition mustang readily available to the public for a comparable price

 

One word..................................

SHELBY!!!!

 

It's at saleen.com You can find info on all the saleen cars. Theres a 400+hp, decked out saleen that goes for $50 grand.

My main pondering was that everyone seems to be waiting on their toes for the new shelby to come out, and when it does, how hard it will be to get ahold of. However, for a little more money, you can very easily get a car that will be a little faster than the shelby, and rarity for both would be about the same.

 

for value longterm the shelby is going to be tough to beat without question. Modding wise it will be interesting to see how easy it will be to change the pulley etc on the new shelby and see what that motor is capable of handling/producing.

 

Personally, I think Saleens are outrageously over priced. Also, the quality is nowhere near what it should be for a 60k dollar car, so ill pass on that. Once the prices on the GT500 level out, there will be a distinct difference.

 

It's what Lance said "one word...Shelby". As in," I own a Shelby". I like the Steedas and most of the specs, repeat MOST. Foose, as much as I like his work, could have done better, just my op.

 

hmm, 3v 4.6 or the 5.4 with gt40 takeoff parts. hmm, tough question.

yeah the shelby hands down. you ever slap a pulley, intake, exhaust, and retune on that car and you will put down 600 at the wheels without a sweat.

 

and you cant swap pulleys on the saleen? Engine size doesnt really matter because the saleen is 550hp/500tq and the shelby is 500hp/470tq(give or take). and who's to say the quality of parts arent as good on the saleen? I'm not on saleen's side, I just wasnt sure why everyone is going crazy over the shelby's power when you got one with even more power already available. True that the price is high, but a comparable viper costs 10 grand more and 50 less hp without even having a backseat. So in comparison to that, its still a good deal.

 

Good point on the viper though, WTF does dodge plan to do in all of this? I guess most people think "OMG a mustang that can compete with the new Vette z06!" but no one thinks about the viper... poor little guy (510hp 535tq)

 

you cant say the shelby holds its value better. Show me a cobra and I'll show you a comparable saleen of thew same years thats worth the same or more. As for "potential", **** potential. With boost and storng internals, it doesnt matter how small your engine is. Sure, if you throw 15 lbs of boost in each, the 5.4 may have more torque, but tuned well enough, the 4.6 wil perform about the same.

 

SVT is always going to be better than Saleen in my book.

 

Saleen Mustangs are an even worst investment then a GT. Saleen is in real trouble in my opinion. Watch the prices drop on their products at the Shelby hits the showrooms.

 

I've said this in MPH and I'll say it here. The bang for the buck factor made the 03/04 Cobras so appealing. But the ridiculous markups will ruin that for the new Shelby.

I personally find the Saleen E to be more appealing. The Shelby has the displacement advantage but BOTH still have the potential to produce "enough" (600+) hp when modded. The Saleen has better brakes, suspension, interior, plus it looks more exotic IMO, and is more rare. Looks are subjective but I think the Saleen is a better overall package, performance-wise.

 

Which car is "better" is purely subjective. Which car will be a better investment (ie, not loose money as fast)....the Shelby is the clear winner UNLESS you pay too much for it to begin with.

 

thats point #2 of my discussion. The shelby value at msrp would kill saleen's value. But the markup kills shelby's value. And with some paying $50 grand+ for their shelby, dont expect it to drop to below 30 for quiiiiiiiiite some time.

Ang greg, wtf was so dumb about my statement? You can throw a massive turbo on a 2 liter ricer, turn up the boost, and you'll have more torque than a 5.4 liter. The motto is correct "No replacement for displacement", when you're N/a. But once you go forced induction, anything is fair game. Just bc you're hardcore ford, hardcore shelby, hardcore old school muscle, doesnt mean its necessarily THE best, always and forever.

 

What are you talking about Danny, the 4v 5.4 and the 3v 4.6 aren't even in the same league.

 

you're right. When they're n/a the 5.4 kills it. But both the shelby and saleen are supercharged, so anything goes. If you want more power on a 4.6, turn up the boost, upgrade the internals. For the added cost of a 5.4, just slap a s/c on and for the same amount, you have a 4.6 with equal horsepower.

 

You're right. You can make a smaller displacement engine faster than a larger displacement engine with enough money. But the point we're all trying to make to you is that if you put the same upgrades on each engine, the 5.4 is ALWAYS going to make more power.

 

You are correct. But ricers cant fit v8's into their civics so they do the next best thing.

 

Cars are poor investments, especially Mustangs. I buy a car to drive, not sell.

Stock versus stock, the Saleen E will outhandle, outbrake, and most likely outdrag the Shelby.

 

good point. resale value shouldnt be someone's priority when buying a car. Its something some people spend 2 hours a day in so it should be something you enjoy to drive, not something that will giev you the best possible gas mileage while looking like crap. When I pass people with priuses, I always look at them and laugh. Such an ugly, slow car and it costs more than my car, so the money in gas that theyre saving is the money that ive already saved when i bought the car

 

it depends on people's prioroties...resale is one of the top selling points of cars in this nation, to most car enthusiasts it couldn't matter less...but we're the minority in that case