LOL, you say I don't know anything but I know the answer to that question

The Pro 5.0 will work with just about any handle designed for the stock-style shifter.

hhaha this is funny...not even going to respond to that

didn't say you dont know anyhting i said i thought you were wrong about the short shifter.

I didnt say i knew all

:hahaha: I see an argument? *Grabs popcorn*

wow, anyway now what I need to know is is it hard to install a short sifter? Will I need to drop the trans, or can you do it from the inside of the car. After removing the console.

work is done from inside the car, NO tranny removal. Its really too easy. took me about 30 mins, while drinking a beer and BS'n with a buddy.

nope, no argument, no sense in arguing, we just don't agree with each other so you can trash your popcorn:)

Im not trying to stir shit, this was copied and pasted from the Hurst web site. This is the shifter for the 3650 trans.

http://www.hurst-shifters.com/images...mon/spacer.gifBILLET/PLUS SHIFTERhttp://www.hurst-shifters.com/images...mon/spacer.gifhttp://www.hurst-shifters.com/images...mon/spacer.gifHurst Billet/Plus Shifters incorporate a high ratio pivot mechanism for reduced shifter throw and are sturdily constructed for a more positive precise feel when shifting. Self centering alignment improves 2nd to 3rd up-shift gear changes to reduce the chance of “missed shifts”. Patented adjustable bias spring loads on most models allow stick tension to be tailored to drivers preference.
Dedicated applications assure a custom fit and eliminate any vehicle modifications for ease of installation.

i did mine in about an hour, with two different sized sockets and wrenches. the shifter generally comes with instructions, and its pretty straight forward. you do it from inside the car.

unscrew the shift ball, and you've got to use a little force to snap off that piece of the console. be careful because the leather boot is connected to that piece, and unfortunatly is attached by flimsy and easy to break snaps. also, depending on the year, your cigarette lighter is in that console but is connected by some wires that have some slack, so just pull the piece out a little and disconnect the lighter.

good luck and enjoy!

ppl that research = "i couldn't do it myself but i read about other ppl doing it"

the short shifters shift shorter because the fulcrum is higher than stock. lets say on a stock shifter the ball moves 2 inches and the top of the handle moves 6inches (just makin up the numbers). then use the SAME length handle on a short shifter. the ball will still move the same 2 inches but because the fulcrum is higher the top of the handle might move only 4 (again just makin up numbers but the principle is sound).

Now put a longer handle on the short shifter. the ball will still move 2 inches but the top of the handle will move more than it did with the shorter handle and maybe more than stock even.

If you put a 4 foot handle on a tri-ax or pro5.0 the throw would be quite long.
Conversely, if you just grab the stub of the stock shifter the throw is pretty short.

there are 2 variables in play here. the fulcrum point and the length of the handle.

for any given shifter a longer handle means a longer throw (think about an old school bus). but between different shifters the position of the fulcrum comes into play as well as the length of the handle.

short handle =short throw but more importantly higher fulcrum=shorter throw

but the ball does always move the same as some pointed out. that's a function ot the tranny internals not the shifter.

That Hurst handle WILL shift shorter on a short shifter than it would if you put it on a stock shifter

and i slept at a holiday inn express last night

i was gonna swap out my shifter as well, but wasnt sure what type of transmission was stock for my mustang('99 V6). to be honest, i dont know all that i should about my mustang

You have a T45/T5 manual transmission.

I'm glad someone finally said it correctly. I didn't want to type all that.
And by the way, the fellow with the '99 V6 does not have a T45. That was only behind the 4.6L. He's got the old T5.

You sir are correct. I hit the 4 when I hit 5 and didn't see it. I changed it because they both use the same shifter anyhow. Thanks for correction. :)

I'm just curious, as I'm thinking about a short shifter being one of my next mods, what would the fulcrum be in this point? My brain is pretty mushy after work.

http://www.mgwltd.com/images/mustang_shifter_3650.jpg

Would this fulcrum on this MGW short-throw shifter be the base of the threaded rod in which the shifter handle affixes to or the part where the orange handle affixes to the rest of the shifter?

I read this entire thread, thinking "What a bunch of idiots"........Until TNell posted, and then a few others posted up. The guy who said there's not difference obviously knows nothing about nothing. TNell is exactly right. By changing the fulcrum height, it effectively changes the length of the shifter throw.

The fulcrum is in the base, where the pivot point is. If dude had ever held both shifters in his hands together, he would never say they are the same except for bushings.

As far as recommendations of the Hurst and the Pro 5.0.............If you recommend the Hurst or Pro 5.0, it's because that's the only aftermarket shifter you've ever used. I've had Mustangs for 20 years, and tried almost every shifter on every transmission, and can't recommend either of those to anyone.

If you want one of the best shifters on the market, there's only 2 in my eyes to ever recommend. The Steeda TriAx, which I had in my GT, and the MGW, which I have in my Bullitt. They both feel different, but are equally good. It all comes down to which one you like better. I would definately recommend that you find someone with each one of them, and row the gears a couple times. At first, I liked the Steeda better, but after getting used to the stiffness of the MGW, whenever I drive with the Steeda, I miss the MGW. But in all honesty, either of those two are leaps and bounds above everything else offered currently.

The worst shifter I've ever laid hands on is the UPR Blue Thunder shifter. Absolutely horrible. 3rd gear is harder to hit than with the factory garbage.

I wouldn't take the MGW out of the Bullitt for any other shifter........period. But if I had a Steeda TriAx in there already, I wouldn't have bought the MGW to begin with. Either are that good.

you can't see the fulcrum in that picture, it's inside the black base, where the pivot point is.

They have to have the same travel inside the transmission, or else it wouldn't shit gears.....:confused:

Now, take measurements from the handle, and tell me the difference between how far the stock handle vs. the aftermarket handle moves. Use the same handle on each shifter just to make sure there's no difference in handle length that would affect throw, and tell me what you come up with.

I already know the answer, as I did it when I bought my first Pro 5.0 years ago. Then you can come back and tell me where the difference is made up at.

Ah, alright! Just curious... so in case anyone asks me why I decided to get a short shifter I truly know the answer. It's always good to know exactly how something works ;)