Is Shaker worth it?
#1
05-12-2005, 03:05 PM
Is Shaker worth it?
Did you have it installed or did the work yourself? What was install like, or how much was it? Did you notice a large increase in power? Is it meant for S/c only? I would want it for perfomance, not really looks.
#2
05-12-2005, 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by 01ARM
Did you have it installed or did the work yourself? What was install like, or how much was it? Did you notice a large increase in power? Is it meant for S/c only? I would want it for perfomance, not really looks.
#3
05-12-2005, 06:39 PM
Ok being that Myself and MachGT i believe are the only ones with this installed on our cars, i would also ask him since we have this first hand.
I have the shaker ram air scoop, steeda hiflow cold air intake.
In total i spent about 1,000 dollars on my setup.
New mach 1 hood,
hood painted
scoop system
steeda cold air hiflow mach intake
the install was easy for me because i got mine from karkraft.com and they make a bracket that will fit it to your GT.
MacGT had to make his own bracket.
with my setup i was probably getting a 20-30hp gain
now keep in mind i have an o/r exhaust headers, x-pipe and super 40's from flowmaster
i can notice a difference in mine also from the fact that it is getting air from fenderwall and ram air.
I disconnected the ram air just to test and there was a noticable loss in power. even when going 35mph
you dont have to go 90mph to get gains.
install was about 1 1/2 hours, for hood removal and install scoop install and cold air. that was by myself, get some helping hands when putting on your hood it will help go quicker.
all in all i have decent gains and a hot looking car.
I have the shaker ram air scoop, steeda hiflow cold air intake.
In total i spent about 1,000 dollars on my setup.
New mach 1 hood,
hood painted
scoop system
steeda cold air hiflow mach intake
the install was easy for me because i got mine from karkraft.com and they make a bracket that will fit it to your GT.
MacGT had to make his own bracket.
with my setup i was probably getting a 20-30hp gain
now keep in mind i have an o/r exhaust headers, x-pipe and super 40's from flowmaster
i can notice a difference in mine also from the fact that it is getting air from fenderwall and ram air.
I disconnected the ram air just to test and there was a noticable loss in power. even when going 35mph
you dont have to go 90mph to get gains.
install was about 1 1/2 hours, for hood removal and install scoop install and cold air. that was by myself, get some helping hands when putting on your hood it will help go quicker.
all in all i have decent gains and a hot looking car.
#5
05-12-2005, 08:27 PM
its all in ones opinion, i did it mostly because i like the look of the mach 1 hood and it sets me appart from the look that most GTs have.
You might say it is not worth it, but to someone else it is.
You might say it is not worth it, but to someone else it is.
#7
05-15-2005, 07:45 AM
Im glad you like it and I think it loosk awesome, but there is no way you are getting 20-30hp from ram air, just no way. Get some dyno numbers with the tubing from the scoop hooked up and some with it un hooked and then we can see proof.
#10
05-17-2005, 06:37 AM
Old Tech
Originally Posted by 01ARM
Did you have it installed or did the work yourself? What was install like, or how much was it? Did you notice a large increase in power? Is it meant for S/c only? I would want it for perfomance, not really looks.
The truth is that even the shaker systems on the Mach 1 (all OEM) don't work very well, and the addition of a CAI to the cars DOES work. If the shaker was doing its job, a CAI would not be needed.
Multiple examples of dyno runs with and without shaker setups have demonstrated that any gain or benefit is negated by the necessity of pushing the raw incoming air through a torturous route to the air filter. Race cars go directly into the intake, but then, they only go 1/4 mile at a time.
Us old guys remember REAL ram air systems that, when compared to an intake that was crude beyond belief, were genuine power-adders. With the advances made in fuel/air mixture management, these differences are dead as the dinosaurs.
I had a shaker rig on my 02 GT briefly (sourced through Year One), and I compared it carefully on a dyno before and after. AFTER I bought it I did my usual thorough research and read all the data that indicated it would probably not add any power. The dyno showed that it cost me 9 hp, and I pulled it off and sold it immediately (thank god, before I cut up my hood).
If you want a certain retro-look for your car, by all means do a quality shaker kit - just don't expect it to gain you any hp. If you're careful with your tune, you shouldn't lose much, but there's no denying that the money (including bodywork and paint, my install was going to cost me over $1100) could be spent elsewhere to produce real power (you can get your heads ported at Fox Lake for $750, for instance).
As for comparing to race cars that use ram air, look carefully at how high, wide and handsome those ram air rigs are. Even at 150mph, you need a big, tall scoop to get the gain.
tripleblack
#11
05-17-2005, 06:46 AM
Originally Posted by tripleblack
I'm an old mechanic, so I sort of like old technology, but the new systems really don't benefit from the shaker systems. There's a thread on www.allfordmustangs.com on this topic that's been argued back and forth for over a year. Scan for all the dyno results, with the most believable ones clearly indicating that street shakers just don't work, and often as not, constitute dead weight with solely decorative value.
The truth is that even the shaker systems on the Mach 1 (all OEM) don't work very well, and the addition of a CAI to the cars DOES work. If the shaker was doing its job, a CAI would not be needed.
Multiple examples of dyno runs with and without shaker setups have demonstrated that any gain or benefit is negated by the necessity of pushing the raw incoming air through a torturous route to the air filter. Race cars go directly into the intake, but then, they only go 1/4 mile at a time.
Us old guys remember REAL ram air systems that, when compared to an intake that was crude beyond belief, were genuine power-adders. With the advances made in fuel/air mixture management, these differences are dead as the dinosaurs.
I had a shaker rig on my 02 GT briefly (sourced through Year One), and I compared it carefully on a dyno before and after. AFTER I bought it I did my usual thorough research and read all the data that indicated it would probably not add any power. The dyno showed that it cost me 9 hp, and I pulled it off and sold it immediately (thank god, before I cut up my hood).
If you want a certain retro-look for your car, by all means do a quality shaker kit - just don't expect it to gain you any hp. If you're careful with your tune, you shouldn't lose much, but there's no denying that the money (including bodywork and paint, my install was going to cost me over $1100) could be spent elsewhere to produce real power (you can get your heads ported at Fox Lake for $750, for instance).
As for comparing to race cars that use ram air, look carefully at how high, wide and handsome those ram air rigs are. Even at 150mph, you need a big, tall scoop to get the gain.
tripleblack
The truth is that even the shaker systems on the Mach 1 (all OEM) don't work very well, and the addition of a CAI to the cars DOES work. If the shaker was doing its job, a CAI would not be needed.
Multiple examples of dyno runs with and without shaker setups have demonstrated that any gain or benefit is negated by the necessity of pushing the raw incoming air through a torturous route to the air filter. Race cars go directly into the intake, but then, they only go 1/4 mile at a time.
Us old guys remember REAL ram air systems that, when compared to an intake that was crude beyond belief, were genuine power-adders. With the advances made in fuel/air mixture management, these differences are dead as the dinosaurs.
I had a shaker rig on my 02 GT briefly (sourced through Year One), and I compared it carefully on a dyno before and after. AFTER I bought it I did my usual thorough research and read all the data that indicated it would probably not add any power. The dyno showed that it cost me 9 hp, and I pulled it off and sold it immediately (thank god, before I cut up my hood).
If you want a certain retro-look for your car, by all means do a quality shaker kit - just don't expect it to gain you any hp. If you're careful with your tune, you shouldn't lose much, but there's no denying that the money (including bodywork and paint, my install was going to cost me over $1100) could be spent elsewhere to produce real power (you can get your heads ported at Fox Lake for $750, for instance).
As for comparing to race cars that use ram air, look carefully at how high, wide and handsome those ram air rigs are. Even at 150mph, you need a big, tall scoop to get the gain.
tripleblack
#12
05-21-2005, 02:50 PM
I have it on my car. Installed it myself. I bought it mainly for looks, not for HP. I picked mine up brand new for 350 shipped from someone who bought it a long time ago and then realized he bought it and then just wanted to get rid of it a year later or two.
My father and I cut up my stock hood. I sold my hood scoop to get the cost back down to 250. Not a bad investment I think, but then you might now like the way my car looks
My father and I cut up my stock hood. I sold my hood scoop to get the cost back down to 250. Not a bad investment I think, but then you might now like the way my car looks
#13
05-22-2005, 08:46 AM
Thanks For The Awsome Looking Pics Of Your Car. I Agree That There Is Better Horespower To Be Made With A Cold Air Intake,like Mac,c And L Or Kand N Fipk. The Shaker Is Just A Awsome Retro Cosmetic Look In My Opinion. P.s. I Used To Own A 70 Plymouth 440 6 Pack Cuda With A Factory Shaker. (wish I Still Had It!)
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