pepsiaddict

I just ordered H&R super sports, by accident. I thought they were H&R sports. Are they going to be too low on my vert? Will my wheels scrape my wheel wells (17" rims). I'm a little worried, I must say, but I'm sure they will look damn good.

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'99 GT Vert

pepsiaddict

I've been reading a bunch of threads on springs and I'm starting to panic now. Alignment issues, having to replace shocks, struts, caster camber plates, etc. I really don't want to do any of this, am I best off canceling the supersports and getting sports elsewhere? (I don't think MT has sports)

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'99 GT Vert

Stan

I have the supersports and i think its the perfect drop, and the replacing shocks and crap thats going to happen no matter how much u lower it because lowering it puts more strain on the suspension which will wear stuff out quicker..

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blackstang01

yeah there maybe an issue with having to much negitive camber. This means the top of your wheels are leaning to far in. Caster/camber plates will fix this problem. As far as shocks you dont have to replace them, but like the post before me said it wont be long before they wear out.

wnracing

Where did you order them from??

pepsiaddict

I ordered them from AmericanMuscle.com

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'99 GT Vert

Rejekt

I just did the H&R SS's and am waiting on installing my Maximum Motorsports caster / camber plates. You will need new caster / camber plates because you'll need the extra degrees to properly align your wheels. You won't need new struts / shocks.

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2002 Mineral Grey Mustang GT - Mods - K&N FIPK, SLP Loudmouth Catback, Roush Stage 3 front fascia, Front - 18x9 Rear -18x10 Deep dish black bullitts, Bullitt gas cap, Mach 1000, Grill delete, H&R Super Sport Springs, Maximum Motorsports 4 bolt caster / camber plates.

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wnracing

If you're that worried just call tomorrow and cancel.

pepsiaddict

I think I'm going to keep them and order some C/C plates. How long will my stock shocks/struts last?

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'99 GT Vert

Rejekt

Contact Maximum Motorsports. They're extremely helpful with any questions you might have. I was impressed with them. They're the experts, you'll get a million different answers elsewhere.

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r3dn3ck

there's no telling how long your stockers will last wtih the new springs. That's not the issue... the issue is that the stockers weren't designed to dampen those much more aggressive spring rates and not from that low in the compression stroke. Your car will not handle to its potential and will probably be a little twitchy at the limit without the improved dampers. I'd probably suggest either bilsteins (I use and LOVE them) or Tokico Illuminas. And CC plates as soon as you can.

pepsiaddict

I canceled them and ordered Sports from a different site. Should I still be thinking about new shocks and struts down the line? I don't need C/C plates ever with these, right?

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'99 GT Vert

r3dn3ck

Yes you should still be looking for shocks/struts and sooner rather than later if you can. 79-93 struts and 99-04 shocks. Tokico HP or Illumina or Bilsteins.

I would not agree with that statement about plates. CC plates are a way to improve a bad situation... how bad you let it get is up to you. I think a car is not lowered correctly until the CC plates are on it. Too many attempts to do it without has lead me to the firm belief that you just can't get the alignment to stick in a good spot without them.

LOOT

hmmmm... I've been thinking seriously about ordering some H&R Sports but after reading this I'm not sure I wanna mess with it. I think they look sick lowered but sounds like a lot of other things to worry about.

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Lances03SVT

I had H&R Sport's on my GT and had no problem's at all.

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r3dn3ck

stick with sports and it's no problem. you'll get more benefit from adding the nice to have bits like cc plates and such but just do the lowering and enjoy it. It's important that you understand that you're changing it and re-learn the handling characteristics but that's the only real caution you should be worrying about.

Get some H&R sports, save up for some tokico hp's or a take-off set of bullit or mach 1 shocks and struts and go nuts. Enjoy the car... don't be afraid of it.

LOOT

Thanks a lot guys. I really appreciate the help. That pic that Lances02SVT posted is exactly how I pictured my car to look lowered. To me that looks perfect.

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Ironwarrior

You "Had" HR Sports... What do you have now?
ANd those are some pretty bad ass looking wheels and tires.
What kinds and size are they? I like the deep offset look in the rear.

I'm still tossing up between ordering HR sport or Super Sport? Anybody with testimonials on their experiences with both? I just want to make sure if I get the sports I am not sorry I didn't drop a bit more like with the Super Sports despite them having a higher spring rate.. Also wondering how the Sports handle in mountain roads and under more severe cornering? Also if I went with the super sports would the bilstein HD dampning be sufficient?

Also any recommendations on rear LCA's I was leaning toward the MMRLCA-5 which comes with perch and swaybar mount. Are these overkill for a stock car that is not being raced? I want to get the nice drop and corner good.
If this was a good choice, would the adjustable ones be a better choice for the money?

machnjo

Lance sold his GT to buy a Cobra. I'm running H&R sports on the Mach and am pretty happy with them.

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Ironwarrior

Your wheels on your yellow mach are 18's right? I have 17's on my GT.
I'm just worried that the Sports may not provide enough drop. Do they handle well in extreme cornering conditions for you?

machnjo

The rear rims are 18x10 and the front rims are 17x9. I wanted a lil bit of a raked look with the Mach. As for the cornering, the H&R Sport springs work just fine. Cornering for me is more of a matter of tire selection. I ran with GY GSD3s for a couple of years and I can't say enough how badass those tires are when it comes to handling dry/wet roads and cornering. A friend talked me into getting BFG KDW2s and it was like night and day. Corners I was previously taking at 60mph, I had to slow down to 45 miles per hour because I'd loose traction on the rear and it would put me into some serious oversteer. In wet conditions, I drive like I have DRs on the back. I'm really dissappointed in the KDW2s and I can't wait to get them off of my car.

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r3dn3ck

jeebus... people really gotta start reading the informational stickies.

You don't choose springs because other people have them. you choose them because the spring rate and size matches your need.

Please save us all the hassle of trying to convince you of any actual correct way to do things and call Maximum Motorsports. Tell them you are ride quality sensitive and you'd like a nice lowering setup with rear control arms and caster camber plates. They'll give you a perfect setup. I could do the same thing but i did... in the sticky.

Ironwarrior

Hellos R3D,

I was waiting for you to blow.. I know I have been a pain asking all these questions. I actually did read the stickies, and have been reading everyones comments as well as yours. I've been taking in all this information so that I can get peoples reactions to how they feel with the various springs on their cars with their setups... As for my need, that is the problem. I really don't have a specific need, or am trying to determine what need would fit my situation the best. This may sound funny, but my car really isn't a Daily Driver. My car doesn't get driven much. It is a 2000GT with 6000 miles on it and is garaged all the time. I wanted to lower it ideally to get rid of the 4x4 look and get the nice stance.. I was then disappointed to find that by going as low as I wanted I would be stuck with dealing with a lot of things that would make this unbearable. I continued messaging to try to find a happy medium. As much as I wanted to go low, I was told most were not happy, including the comments from you advising me against it. But one persons opinion may not be the same as others so that is why I continued asking others. I think I have finally made up my mind to go with the HR Sport Springs now.

Now I have a new obstacle though... I had considered getting a set of lower rear control arms since I would have everything apart and could just toss them in at the same time. But now I read something where it was important to get adjustable LCA's to eliminate the changing angle of the pinion as a result of lowering the car.. Do you know anything about this? Is this something that is necessary? It sucks when you think you are doing your going the extra mile by adding a vital component and then find that to do this you have to spend even more money and add more parts to make it right. Hell many don't replace the LCAs at all.

This is why I ask a lot of questions and get others opinions.. If I could made a lot of wrong choices and bought parts that I would regret. After all for someone like myself that knows nothing about suspensions as with many that do these projects themselves, it can be a very expensive mistake if you make the wrong decision. And by not knowing all you can do is probe others for their opinions to formulate your own. I did call MM as well and they too have their own opinion. Theirs is different than yours and others here. That made it even harder. They were recommending the HR Race springs to me. I figured if that was the case, why not go with the HR Super Sports since the spring rate was almost identical.. Again that compelled me to ask more questions too. Just kidding.

r3dn3ck