why ford and svt piss me the hell off

trnin · 03-22-2006, 04:03 PM

dont get me wrong....i love mustangs, i have my whole life....but why does ford always puss out on the power and size of the engine....give one good god d-a-m-n reason why ford couldnt at least stick a 5.4. litre into a mustang.....how come almost any stock mustang can be beaten by the camaro in the same price range.....think about it.....v6 stang v. v6 camaro.....dead stang......z 28 v. gt.....z28 victory.....ss v. cobra {not 03-04}......cobra de fanged.......... s/c cobra v. formula t/a ..........a little closer.....and as if that werent enough ford is doing the same damn thing with the next gen muscle cars.......06 gt v. gto.....charger...new camaro....winner:not the mustang! god dam it, just throw a friggin 5.4 in thre and at least try to hang with the competition.....the mustang has always dominated the competion looks-wise...but how bout a little factory go too????? doesnt it make you're blood boil to know that you have to throw at least a thousand bucks into your gt to regularly hang with an ss......its enogh to almost make me wanna buy a bowtie.......and then use the 1000 bucks to get a gun and ease my misery......just kidding....:wallbash: but still pissed

whitethunder46 · 03-22-2006, 04:06 PM

To me, a Mustang is built from Ford to be somewhat of a family sports car as well. Look how many stangs are on the road, cant be said from other sport cars. The camaro/vette/ such is more of a true sport car, not saying that the mustang isnt.

trnin · 03-22-2006, 04:14 PM

a true sports car doesnt have a back seat.....lets face it...if the camaro of the past 15 years wasnt butt ass ugly, the mustang would have been the car that got outsold and ultimatly shelved.

trnin · 03-22-2006, 04:16 PM

also...then why the hell doesnt ford have a real sports car????......wouldnt that be nice.....and dont evn say ford gt cuz good luck finding or affording one......

95bstallion · 03-22-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by trnin

also...then why the hell doesnt ford have a real sports car????......wouldnt that be nice.....and dont evn say ford gt cuz good luck finding or affording one......

Findlay ford dealer has one. 160,000

CCM · 03-22-2006, 04:58 PM

I think it would be sweet if after releasing the GT500, Ford released a Boss 330 Mustang instead of doing a Mach 1. It could have an N/A 5.4 with something like 375-400HP. That would be sweet as hell.

03-22-2006, 05:15 PM

Yah. We have the slowest fast car there is! <laugh>

sonicblue04gt · 03-26-2006, 12:12 PM

My Ford dealer has 2 GTs, 1 yellow/black, 1 white/blue. We also just got the 05 3dCarbon SEMA winner car (not a replica, but the ACTUAL one minus the Whipple). We also have a couple custom built 06s with 400+hp on our lot right now.

04DarkShadowGT · 03-27-2006, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by trnin

dont get me wrong....i love mustangs, i have my whole life....but why does ford always puss out on the power and size of the engine....give one good god d-a-m-n reason why ford couldnt at least stick a 5.4. litre into a mustang

Ever heard of the new shelby

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Originally Posted by trnin

.....how come almost any stock mustang can be beaten by the camaro in the same price range.....think about it.....v6 stang v. v6 camaro.....dead stang......z 28 v. gt.....z28 victory.....ss v. cobra {not 03-04}......cobra de fanged.......... s/c cobra v. formula t/a ..........a little closer.....

The V6 argument who cares, both are slow.

But generally the mustangs where much more affordable than the fbodies which is the main reason they are not made anymore. Imo the mustang is nicer inside as well. Obviously opinions differ but imo the stang is a better value. A 99+ GT will run close with a stock LT1 fbody, but not with an LS1.

But my question is, how do you figure a Formula and SC Cobra are close? The cobra if driven properly would rape a stock fbody any year or trim level. You are comparing a low 13 second car to a mid 12 second car with good drivers.

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Originally Posted by trnin

and as if that werent enough ford is doing the same damn thing with the next gen muscle cars.......06 gt v. gto.....charger...new camaro....winner:not the mustang!

Again there are huge price differences. The 06 GT starts at 25-26K while the GTO is 33K base. Also the GTO because of weight isnt a whole lot faster than the GT. Now comparing the new Challenger and Camaro which arent even made nor have any legit specs released at this time is spotty at best. We have no idea what ford will come up with in 2008 or 2009.

Look at the prices of the charger RT and SRT-8, they are both 30K+ cars and the RT is not in the same league as the GT or GTO. The SRT-8 is 40K. That is Shelby territory and I would rather have 475hp in a 3900lb car than 450hp in a 4200lb car

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Originally Posted by trnin

god dam it, just throw a friggin 5.4 in thre and at least try to hang with the competition.....the mustang has always dominated the competion looks-wise...but how bout a little factory go too????? doesnt it make you're blood boil to know that you have to throw at least a thousand bucks into your gt to regularly hang with an ss......its enogh to almost make me wanna buy a bowtie.......and then use the 1000 bucks to get a gun and ease my misery......just kidding....:wallbash: but still pissed

Yeah I understand what you are saying but when your GT is nearly 2-5K cheaper than a Z28 or SS of the same year when new, it leaves money left to add those parts. Also again see Shelby for the 5.4 in a stang. I would say 475+hp mustang is probably more than hanging with the competiton.

That being said, the main point of the GT is affordable performance, where else can you get 300hp, rwd, good looks, competent suspension, and the pedigree of a mustang for 25K. Yeah no where.

MattJ · 03-27-2006, 10:51 AM

I see fast mustangs all the time. we have a smaller engine. If you want a fast car, you dont buy a v6. simple as that. and lets see. we have a 281 compared to a 350. I see a little bit of displacment range here between the two engines.

Look where the camaro is. gone, but mabye coming back
GTO? Gone...
Trans Am? Gone...

dannyb785 · 03-27-2006, 07:38 PM

You wanna know why mustang is still around? Affordable and quick. you wanna know why its affordable and quick? The 4.6 liter. You wanna know why they use a 4.6 liter? It's built for a darn low price and is quick. For a car that costs $25,000(say, a new 06 GT), going 0-60 under 6 seconds is fuggin good. And also keeping a back seat, good looks, v8, cool interior, etc...it's brilliant.

You also gotta think in respect to the Ford GT. It has 550 hp. The shelby gt500 will have 475. the 03/04 cobra has 390. the 01 cobra has 320. Mach 1 has 305. GT has 260. And with the v6(which nobody cares about) has 190. It's all about the totem pole. It'd be stupid of ford to give the GT a 5.4 liter because power output n/a would kill any mach 1 OR 01 cobra, and at a cheaper price, ford wouldnt have sold any mach 1's or cobras. You gotta give people a reason to buy a cobra/mach 1. The N/A tuned 5.4L cobra R pumped 385 hp. Anywhere close to that in a GT and ford would have a bunch of mach 1's and a buncha cobras sittin and collecting dust at the dealerships because for 5 grand+ cheaper they would be able buy a faster car.

jacliff_3521 · 03-27-2006, 08:06 PM

Who else out there has a same sized engine in the same class as a mustang that can push the power that this lil 4.6 can? Yeah i understand where everyone is coming form with the bigger engine crap. If ford keeps the same equations and makes a 427ci engine and s/c it, it would make about 600hp

MattJ · 03-27-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jacliff_3521

Who else out there has a same sized engine in the same class as a mustang that can push the power that this lil 4.6 can? Yeah i understand where everyone is coming form with the bigger engine crap. If ford keeps the same equations and makes a 427ci engine and s/c it, it would make about 600hp

Whos going to buy a 40,000 dollar mustang though? Not many people... thats why the mustang has been such a sucessfull car for 45 years. Its Affordable, and fast for what it is, and the aftermarket selections for these cars are at the top. With 600 HP, you have a lot of upgrades that have to be done and they arent cheap. And that final cost is passed onto you, the consumer.

Ive learned something special working at a automobile dealership about people complaining and whining about everything...

You can have WHATEVER you like, as long as you have the money.

whitethunder46 · 03-27-2006, 08:20 PM

Those are actually two very very good points. I've never thought about it in the way that all the mustangs are 4.6 from cobra supercharged to the base GT's (I'm not including the Cobra R's).

Unlike GM and Mopar they'll up the engine from a 5.7 to a 6.1 like the new dodge charger.

Blue02GT · 03-27-2006, 08:44 PM

The GT is an affordable sport sedan with an honest 315 hp motor. It's not 300 as Ford says, they dyno 265-275, do the math. We have more aftermarket support than any other car out there. You can bolt on a few parts and some sticky tires and run 12's. I did with the wussy 2v motor. The GTO is ugly and plain with 400 hp is only marginally faster than a stock GT. Ford will be releasing two specialty models in the next couple years, a Mach and Bullitt or Boss. They will make more power than a GT and cost more. The GT is not Ford's top Mustang it's the middle of the road. The over priced Shelby GT500 is the new top dog but only rich old farts will buy them and they will sit in garages with dust covers over them. The new Camaro will not be cheap neither will the Challenger, they will make cheaper models that are slower for the masses.
The SRT Chargers are 40k plus so you can keep them. I think the new GT's are an awesome car for the price and I bet I can make one go real fast pretty easy.

whitethunder46 · 03-27-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue02GT

The GT is an affordable sport sedan with an honest 315 hp motor. It's not 300 as Ford says, they dyno 265-275, do the math. We have more aftermarket support than any other car out there. You can bolt on a few parts and some sticky tires and run 12's. I did with the wussy 2v motor. The GTO is ugly and plain with 400 hp is only marginally faster than a stock GT. Ford will be releasing two specialty models in the next couple years, a Mach and Bullitt or Boss. They will make more power than a GT and cost more. The GT is not Ford's top Mustang it's the middle of the road. The over priced Shelby GT500 is the new top dog but only rich old farts will buy them and they will sit in garages with dust covers over them. The new Camaro will not be cheap neither will the Challenger, they will make cheaper models that are slower for the masses.
The SRT Chargers are 40k plus so you can keep them. I think the new GT's are an awesome car for the price and I bet I can make one go real fast pretty easy.

I'm sry, but I like the GTO design... a lot actually

Blue02GT · 03-27-2006, 08:52 PM

I am sorry to hear that now you must be banned.

03-27-2006, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue02GT

I am sorry to hear that now you must be banned.

Whitethunder,

Im afraid this guy is right. We will remember you fondly.... whoever the hell you are...

ROFL

MattJ · 03-27-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by whitethunder46

I'm sry, but I like the GTO design... a lot actually

:ban: :ban: :ban:

whitethunder46 · 03-27-2006, 09:07 PM

Come on guys! It's opppsite day!

"I'm sorry, but I like the GTO... a lot actually"
equals..
"I agree, the GTO looks like poo... the poo that Greg lost to in that fight"

03-27-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by whitethunder46

Come on guys! It's opppsite day!

"I'm sorry, but I like the GTO... a lot actually"
equals..
"I agree, the GTO looks like poo... the poo that Greg lost to in that fight"

Oh yaah, you mean THIS poo??? Cause that is the poo that beat greg

whitethunder46 · 03-27-2006, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper

Oh yaah, you mean THIS poo??? Cause that is the poo that beat greg

That's the exact poo I'm tlaking about

03-22-2006, 04:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
trnin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: rapid city sd Posts: 154	why ford and svt piss me the hell off dont get me wrong....i love mustangs, i have my whole life....but why does ford always puss out on the power and size of the engine....give one good god d-a-m-n reason why ford couldnt at least stick a 5.4. litre into a mustang.....how come almost any stock mustang can be beaten by the camaro in the same price range.....think about it.....v6 stang v. v6 camaro.....dead stang......z 28 v. gt.....z28 victory.....ss v. cobra {not 03-04}......cobra de fanged.......... s/c cobra v. formula t/a ..........a little closer.....and as if that werent enough ford is doing the same damn thing with the next gen muscle cars.......06 gt v. gto.....charger...new camaro....winner:not the mustang! god dam it, just throw a friggin 5.4 in thre and at least try to hang with the competition.....the mustang has always dominated the competion looks-wise...but how bout a little factory go too????? doesnt it make you're blood boil to know that you have to throw at least a thousand bucks into your gt to regularly hang with an ss......its enogh to almost make me wanna buy a bowtie.......and then use the 1000 bucks to get a gun and ease my misery......just kidding....:wallbash: but still pissed __________________ 2001 mustang gt, automatic C&L intake plenum helix throttle body & intake spacers mac throttle body k&n cai diablo predator tune slp loudmouth cat back tokico illumina shocks&struts tokico lowering springs 1.25 4.10 gears vcn 1000 nitrous 1964.5 mustang 55 thousand orginal miles on bone stock 260 v-8 all stock &midnight blue/caspian blue sold

03-22-2006, 04:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	To me, a Mustang is built from Ford to be somewhat of a family sports car as well. Look how many stangs are on the road, cant be said from other sport cars. The camaro/vette/ such is more of a true sport car, not saying that the mustang isnt. __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

03-22-2006, 04:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
trnin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: rapid city sd Posts: 154	a true sports car doesnt have a back seat.....lets face it...if the camaro of the past 15 years wasnt butt ass ugly, the mustang would have been the car that got outsold and ultimatly shelved. __________________ 2001 mustang gt, automatic C&L intake plenum helix throttle body & intake spacers mac throttle body k&n cai diablo predator tune slp loudmouth cat back tokico illumina shocks&struts tokico lowering springs 1.25 4.10 gears vcn 1000 nitrous 1964.5 mustang 55 thousand orginal miles on bone stock 260 v-8 all stock &midnight blue/caspian blue sold

03-22-2006, 04:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
trnin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: rapid city sd Posts: 154	also...then why the hell doesnt ford have a real sports car????......wouldnt that be nice.....and dont evn say ford gt cuz good luck finding or affording one...... __________________ 2001 mustang gt, automatic C&L intake plenum helix throttle body & intake spacers mac throttle body k&n cai diablo predator tune slp loudmouth cat back tokico illumina shocks&struts tokico lowering springs 1.25 4.10 gears vcn 1000 nitrous 1964.5 mustang 55 thousand orginal miles on bone stock 260 v-8 all stock &midnight blue/caspian blue sold

03-22-2006, 04:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
CCM Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 1,382	I think it would be sweet if after releasing the GT500, Ford released a Boss 330 Mustang instead of doing a Mach 1. It could have an N/A 5.4 with something like 375-400HP. That would be sweet as hell. __________________ 2001 MINERAL GRAY GT (5-speed) H&R SuperSports MM 4-Bolt CC Plates Stoptech SS Brake Lines '03 Cobra Brakes Spec Billet Steel Flywheel Spec Stage 2 Clutch FRPP 4.10s X-Calibrator 2 Full Length Subframes Corbeau Legacy Racing Seats 18" Gunmetal Saleen Rims w/ Nitto 555s

03-22-2006, 05:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jack The Ripper Posts: n/a	Yah. We have the slowest fast car there is! <laugh>

03-26-2006, 12:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
sonicblue04gt Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 25	My Ford dealer has 2 GTs, 1 yellow/black, 1 white/blue. We also just got the 05 3dCarbon SEMA winner car (not a replica, but the ACTUAL one minus the Whipple). We also have a couple custom built 06s with 400+hp on our lot right now.

03-27-2006, 10:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
MattJ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 10,243	I see fast mustangs all the time. we have a smaller engine. If you want a fast car, you dont buy a v6. simple as that. and lets see. we have a 281 compared to a 350. I see a little bit of displacment range here between the two engines. Look where the camaro is. gone, but mabye coming back GTO? Gone... Trans Am? Gone... __________________ 2001 Mustang GT Premium - Mineral Grey

03-27-2006, 07:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
dannyb785 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,176	You wanna know why mustang is still around? Affordable and quick. you wanna know why its affordable and quick? The 4.6 liter. You wanna know why they use a 4.6 liter? It's built for a darn low price and is quick. For a car that costs $25,000(say, a new 06 GT), going 0-60 under 6 seconds is fuggin good. And also keeping a back seat, good looks, v8, cool interior, etc...it's brilliant. You also gotta think in respect to the Ford GT. It has 550 hp. The shelby gt500 will have 475. the 03/04 cobra has 390. the 01 cobra has 320. Mach 1 has 305. GT has 260. And with the v6(which nobody cares about) has 190. It's all about the totem pole. It'd be stupid of ford to give the GT a 5.4 liter because power output n/a would kill any mach 1 OR 01 cobra, and at a cheaper price, ford wouldnt have sold any mach 1's or cobras. You gotta give people a reason to buy a cobra/mach 1. The N/A tuned 5.4L cobra R pumped 385 hp. Anywhere close to that in a GT and ford would have a bunch of mach 1's and a buncha cobras sittin and collecting dust at the dealerships because for 5 grand+ cheaper they would be able buy a faster car.

03-27-2006, 08:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
jacliff_3521 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Port FL. Posts: 156	Who else out there has a same sized engine in the same class as a mustang that can push the power that this lil 4.6 can? Yeah i understand where everyone is coming form with the bigger engine crap. If ford keeps the same equations and makes a 427ci engine and s/c it, it would make about 600hp

03-27-2006, 08:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	Those are actually two very very good points. I've never thought about it in the way that all the mustangs are 4.6 from cobra supercharged to the base GT's (I'm not including the Cobra R's). Unlike GM and Mopar they'll up the engine from a 5.7 to a 6.1 like the new dodge charger. __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

03-27-2006, 08:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	The GT is an affordable sport sedan with an honest 315 hp motor. It's not 300 as Ford says, they dyno 265-275, do the math. We have more aftermarket support than any other car out there. You can bolt on a few parts and some sticky tires and run 12's. I did with the wussy 2v motor. The GTO is ugly and plain with 400 hp is only marginally faster than a stock GT. Ford will be releasing two specialty models in the next couple years, a Mach and Bullitt or Boss. They will make more power than a GT and cost more. The GT is not Ford's top Mustang it's the middle of the road. The over priced Shelby GT500 is the new top dog but only rich old farts will buy them and they will sit in garages with dust covers over them. The new Camaro will not be cheap neither will the Challenger, they will make cheaper models that are slower for the masses. The SRT Chargers are 40k plus so you can keep them. I think the new GT's are an awesome car for the price and I bet I can make one go real fast pretty easy. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

03-27-2006, 08:52 PM	#17 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	I am sorry to hear that now you must be banned. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

03-27-2006, 09:07 PM	#20 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	Come on guys! It's opppsite day! "I'm sorry, but I like the GTO... a lot actually" equals.. "I agree, the GTO looks like poo... the poo that Greg lost to in that fight" __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272