Venom VCN 1000 Nitrous Kit

SnTBakosFinest · 10-29-2006, 11:09 PM

Says fits on the GTs..so what about the v6s? Would anything have to be changed or what?

Too big of a shot? ... someone..throw somethin out there...i'm lost ;x

jeredan2003 · 10-30-2006, 09:03 AM

just dont do it. Get an NX wet kit....

SnTBakosFinest · 10-30-2006, 09:37 AM

I see. I dunno I was browsing around. Its still going to be a month or so before I can throw nitrous in.. exhaust comes this weekend, gears around the 24th of nov. along with pausi .. and then for christmas i think the old man is buying me nitrous..

So a wet shot from NX?

What else would I be needing ..as far as a bottle warmer, ect.

jeredan2003 · 10-30-2006, 10:39 AM

youll need (in order): #1 window switch. 2. bottle heater 3. Fuel pressure safety switch

Those are pretty much necessary for a safe system. I would include an electronic TPS switch instaead of the little manual WOT switches.

Keep it at 75hp or below.

spike_africa · 10-30-2006, 04:10 PM

there are alot more kits out there then just NX.

WaterDR · 10-30-2006, 05:26 PM

You need to get a Venon kit appropriate for the model. These are computer programmed kits and are specific for the car. No offense intended, but the fact that you asked this questions means that you don know how they work. Be sure to educate yourself completely before getting nitrous and do not listen to anyone that advocates one particular system for you w/o even asking about what your goals are, experience level, how much you want to spray, if you are concerned about warranty etc...

READ, then READ some more then ask LOTS of questions.

SnTBakosFinest · 10-31-2006, 06:22 AM

Water: yes I do intend to educate myself on what I'm getting. Especially since i have no experience with using nitrous.. I've read some of the things on here about it, but I do know that I need to read alot more and find out everything I can so that I understand what I'm using..

thanks.

jeredan2003 · 10-31-2006, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by spike_africa

there are alot more kits out there then just NX.

yes but why settle for anything less than NX? The quality just shows in every part they sell. Its not any more expensive.....do you think you can get more performance from another kit?

spike_africa · 10-31-2006, 12:03 PM

I wont even bother with this. I know how you NX nut swingers are. Same with anyone who owns a certine blower type, exhaust type etc... they all think there the best.

And yes i think there is better for the same and less money.

cuban3jumper · 10-31-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by spike_africa

I wont even bother with this. I know how you NX nut swingers are. Same with anyone who owns a certine blower type, exhaust type etc... they all think there the best.

And yes i think there is better for the same and less money.

Dyno Tune for one has great kits. I've heard cold fusion kits are nice too. I personaly own a NX mainline kit but I don't swing from anyone's nuts LOL.

And as far as that list I would list the FPSS before the heater or window switch. Especially since if you have an auto a window switch is almost useless.

jeredan2003 · 10-31-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cuban3jumper

Especially since if you have an auto a window switch is almost useless.

cuban3jumper · 10-31-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jeredan2003

Um yea it is

What's the point? An auto doesn't miss shifts. You can spray in between shifts unlike on a 5-speed. And how hard is it to flip the arming switch after you reach 2500 or if you so choose the spray off the line just flip the switch and go? I know I do it this way. A window switch on an auto has almost no purpose.

SnTBakosFinest · 10-31-2006, 03:22 PM

so..anyone got good reading material for me? =( (Already read nitrous 101 a few times.)

But I figure theres more ;x

jeredan2003 · 10-31-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cuban3jumper

Um yea it is

What's the point? An auto doesn't miss shifts. You can spray in between shifts unlike on a 5-speed. And how hard is it to flip the arming switch after you reach 2500 or if you so choose the spray off the line just flip the switch and go? I know I do it this way. A window switch on an auto has almost no purpose.

It is more risky to just flip the switch or push the button. What if you accidentaly push it when you dont want to? People make mistakes, but the window switch doesnt. I mean at least have a WOT switch on it before you use a pushbutton. When you have a window switch/WOT combo, the n20 kit pretty much handles its own and you just sit back for the ride. Its much safer and more fun to drive the car that way. Thats why I think it should be the first thing to go on any n20 kit.

WaterDR · 10-31-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SnTBakosFinest

Water: yes I do intend to educate myself on what I'm getting. Especially since i have no experience with using nitrous.. I've read some of the things on here about it, but I do know that I need to read alot more and find out everything I can so that I understand what I'm using..

thanks.

My post came off high and mighty. I did not mean it that way.

What is your budget?

You can get a nice, entry level type setup for about $600....or you can get all the bells and whistles from NX for about $2,000. Do you want to race, or just want a kick in the pants for the street? Do you plan to upgrade later? Because if so, start building a good base-system now.

When it comes to how nitrous systems are rated, the more juice and fuel you add, the more power you make. No system makes more power then another...nitrous brands don't create energy. A good tune will make the system more efficient and thus make optimal, safe power.

SnTBakosFinest · 10-31-2006, 07:58 PM

Well Water, the fact is is I don't have experience with nitrous, aside from riding in my friends car when he hit it.

I would like to know what it is I'm getting, and how it operates and what potential damage could be caused.

My budget will be 600-800 dollars.

I would like to go to the track frequently and run a decent time. But its not like I want a 10 second v6 or something. Its going to be more of something on the street and a little to show off, but still have it functional ect.

As far as upgrading, probably not. I plan on doing some work to my car, but once i take over payments (in about 2 years) I plan on getting a GT or if I can afford it, a Cobra.

I just want to be above average in my town for a v6. I want to be safe for sure.

I have my exhaust coming this weekend, my intake coming later in nov. Gears coming in december, and nitrous, as a possible christmas present.

But before I say yea thats what I want, I just want to find out what brand, and get a few little whistles with it, if possible. I also want to figure out what else i'm going to need before I run it through my car..

WaterDR · 10-31-2006, 08:17 PM

OK....that tells me a lot.

Before you go down the nitrous road, ask yourself this question: Can you afford a new motor if you break it? There are LOTS of guys running nitrous for many years w/o a problem, BUT there is always risk even if you do everything right.

A V-6 with a nice 60 - 75 HP shot of juice and gears would be a nice way to give a GT a surprise. Sounds like that might be what you are looking for.

The ONLY way you can do nitrous with that budget is to go either with something like a ZEX dry setup or a Venom-1000 (dry also). If you keep your shot relatively conservative (75 hp MAX) you can get away w/o a tune. These kits are designed to run w/o a tune, but they are not as efficient this way. They error on the side of running rich, but are subject to lean spikes.

A chip and dyno tune will add $550 to your cost which is nearly your budget. If you are want to go down the NX Ford EFI route, you can be prepared to spend $1200 for everything you need plus a chip and dyno tune. The, there are gauges, purges systems etc... and the price just keep going up. In my opinion that is WAY too much to spend for a 75 shot...and is serious overkill. If you were running a 200+ shot or even a 150 shot, this system is a much better option.

For $2200 or so you can buy a S-Trim super charger for your car and have the power available all day long for your car (plus install and plus tune). Figure on about $1000 for a shop to install and tune it. So, you can spend $2500 on nitrous, or $3,000 on a blower....see what I mean?

This is why for a street-driven V-6 that can run only a 50 or 75 shot, these Zex or Venom kits are about the best possible choice.

cuban3jumper · 10-31-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jeredan2003

It is more risky to just flip the switch or push the button. What if you accidentaly push it when you dont want to? People make mistakes, but the window switch doesnt. I mean at least have a WOT switch on it before you use a pushbutton. When you have a window switch/WOT combo, the n20 kit pretty much handles its own and you just sit back for the ride. Its much safer and more fun to drive the car that way. Thats why I think it should be the first thing to go on any n20 kit.

First off if youdon't have a WOT switch or a TPS switch you shouldn't be using nitrous. Second how hard is it to flip a switch and not flip a switch. Just place it somewhere you wouldn't accidentaly trip it. I have mine right next to the cig lighter. If I flip it it's because I meant to flip it. A window switch is next to useless on an auto.

SnTBakosFinest · 10-31-2006, 09:38 PM

Yea Water I do see what you mean, I'm basically going for a quick and cheaper way to gain horsepower. I mean, I thought it was a quick and cheaper way.

Its not like I can't save up the money for something bigger and better.. if it came down to it i could have the money saved up by the latest spring.

Its just my budget for my car will be cut for a while due to me moving out of my house ect.

And yea a blown motor IS a biggie ..

How much h/p would that supercharger add on?

Should I go supercharged or turboed? I mean.. they DO sound alot better, and yea, its constant power..

WaterDR · 10-31-2006, 09:50 PM

I don't have much experience with blowers on a V-6. There are some guys here with them. A basic super charger would be the least expensive option and should be good for 80 - 90 hp I would think.

SnTBakosFinest · 10-31-2006, 09:53 PM

i see, well, i'll read up on it all.. start looking at prices and start saving.. thanks alot though.. really helps when theres someone around to help me out .. if i would've had it bought..i probably would've been in trouble lol.

WaterDR · 10-31-2006, 10:04 PM

That is what we are here for. But, don't take my word as law....listen to other opinions and formulate what is best for you.

SnTBakosFinest · 10-31-2006, 10:13 PM

Well, so far you're the only one whos given the in-depth advice. Unfortunately, I was just surfing. Saw a procharger for a v6..4k for it.. but a total of 345hp on my car, at 11psi. and apparently..rpmoutlet.com doesn't have a section up for nitrous oxide yet.. lol.

jeredan2003 · 11-01-2006, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaterDR

My post came off high and mighty. I did not mean it that way.

What is your budget?

You can get a nice, entry level type setup for about $600....or you can get all the bells and whistles from NX for about $2,000. Do you want to race, or just want a kick in the pants for the street? Do you plan to upgrade later? Because if so, start building a good base-system now.

When it comes to how nitrous systems are rated, the more juice and fuel you add, the more power you make. No system makes more power then another...nitrous brands don't create energy. A good tune will make the system more efficient and thus make optimal, safe power.

$2,000 ?! You cant be serious, right? The base NX kit costs $500 on ebay and maybe $550 anywhere else. You buy the GenX2 kit for it which includes every safety thing you need minus a window switch for $250. The window switch costs $75..... So in total for a badass NX kit thats rated from 50-150 hp with all the bells and whistles end up costing....$825. That even comes with a purge kit and these are new prices. Where did the extra $1175 come from Water?

10-29-2006, 11:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
SnTBakosFinest Nitrous Injected 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,589	Venom VCN 1000 Nitrous Kit Says fits on the GTs..so what about the v6s? Would anything have to be changed or what? Too big of a shot? ... someone..throw somethin out there...i'm lost ;x

10-30-2006, 09:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
jeredan2003 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 1,788	just dont do it. Get an NX wet kit.... __________________ 2003 DSG GT 5-speed Hellion 62mm and Flowmaster catback..... My bonestock 2v engine had been through 2 years of NX 100 shot, 3 years running 8-12lbs vortech s-trim, got into boost daily while racing on the weekends, had 157,000 miles on it, and was running like new

10-30-2006, 10:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
jeredan2003 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 1,788	youll need (in order): #1 window switch. 2. bottle heater 3. Fuel pressure safety switch Those are pretty much necessary for a safe system. I would include an electronic TPS switch instaead of the little manual WOT switches. Keep it at 75hp or below. __________________ 2003 DSG GT 5-speed Hellion 62mm and Flowmaster catback..... My bonestock 2v engine had been through 2 years of NX 100 shot, 3 years running 8-12lbs vortech s-trim, got into boost daily while racing on the weekends, had 157,000 miles on it, and was running like new

10-30-2006, 04:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,061	there are alot more kits out there then just NX. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

10-30-2006, 05:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,366	You need to get a Venon kit appropriate for the model. These are computer programmed kits and are specific for the car. No offense intended, but the fact that you asked this questions means that you don know how they work. Be sure to educate yourself completely before getting nitrous and do not listen to anyone that advocates one particular system for you w/o even asking about what your goals are, experience level, how much you want to spray, if you are concerned about warranty etc... READ, then READ some more then ask LOTS of questions. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

10-30-2006, 09:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
SnTBakosFinest Nitrous Injected 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,589	I see. I dunno I was browsing around. Its still going to be a month or so before I can throw nitrous in.. exhaust comes this weekend, gears around the 24th of nov. along with pausi .. and then for christmas i think the old man is buying me nitrous.. So a wet shot from NX? What else would I be needing ..as far as a bottle warmer, ect.

10-31-2006, 06:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
SnTBakosFinest Nitrous Injected 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,589	Water: yes I do intend to educate myself on what I'm getting. Especially since i have no experience with using nitrous.. I've read some of the things on here about it, but I do know that I need to read alot more and find out everything I can so that I understand what I'm using.. thanks.

10-31-2006, 12:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,061	I wont even bother with this. I know how you NX nut swingers are. Same with anyone who owns a certine blower type, exhaust type etc... they all think there the best. And yes i think there is better for the same and less money. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

10-31-2006, 03:22 PM	#13 (permalink)
SnTBakosFinest Nitrous Injected 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,589	so..anyone got good reading material for me? =( (Already read nitrous 101 a few times.) But I figure theres more ;x

10-31-2006, 07:58 PM	#16 (permalink)
SnTBakosFinest Nitrous Injected 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,589	Well Water, the fact is is I don't have experience with nitrous, aside from riding in my friends car when he hit it. I would like to know what it is I'm getting, and how it operates and what potential damage could be caused. My budget will be 600-800 dollars. I would like to go to the track frequently and run a decent time. But its not like I want a 10 second v6 or something. Its going to be more of something on the street and a little to show off, but still have it functional ect. As far as upgrading, probably not. I plan on doing some work to my car, but once i take over payments (in about 2 years) I plan on getting a GT or if I can afford it, a Cobra. I just want to be above average in my town for a v6. I want to be safe for sure. I have my exhaust coming this weekend, my intake coming later in nov. Gears coming in december, and nitrous, as a possible christmas present. But before I say yea thats what I want, I just want to find out what brand, and get a few little whistles with it, if possible. I also want to figure out what else i'm going to need before I run it through my car..

10-31-2006, 08:17 PM	#17 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,366	OK....that tells me a lot. Before you go down the nitrous road, ask yourself this question: Can you afford a new motor if you break it? There are LOTS of guys running nitrous for many years w/o a problem, BUT there is always risk even if you do everything right. A V-6 with a nice 60 - 75 HP shot of juice and gears would be a nice way to give a GT a surprise. Sounds like that might be what you are looking for. The ONLY way you can do nitrous with that budget is to go either with something like a ZEX dry setup or a Venom-1000 (dry also). If you keep your shot relatively conservative (75 hp MAX) you can get away w/o a tune. These kits are designed to run w/o a tune, but they are not as efficient this way. They error on the side of running rich, but are subject to lean spikes. A chip and dyno tune will add $550 to your cost which is nearly your budget. If you are want to go down the NX Ford EFI route, you can be prepared to spend $1200 for everything you need plus a chip and dyno tune. The, there are gauges, purges systems etc... and the price just keep going up. In my opinion that is WAY too much to spend for a 75 shot...and is serious overkill. If you were running a 200+ shot or even a 150 shot, this system is a much better option. For $2200 or so you can buy a S-Trim super charger for your car and have the power available all day long for your car (plus install and plus tune). Figure on about $1000 for a shop to install and tune it. So, you can spend $2500 on nitrous, or $3,000 on a blower....see what I mean? This is why for a street-driven V-6 that can run only a 50 or 75 shot, these Zex or Venom kits are about the best possible choice. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

10-31-2006, 09:38 PM	#19 (permalink)
SnTBakosFinest Nitrous Injected 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,589	Yea Water I do see what you mean, I'm basically going for a quick and cheaper way to gain horsepower. I mean, I thought it was a quick and cheaper way. Its not like I can't save up the money for something bigger and better.. if it came down to it i could have the money saved up by the latest spring. Its just my budget for my car will be cut for a while due to me moving out of my house ect. And yea a blown motor IS a biggie .. How much h/p would that supercharger add on? Should I go supercharged or turboed? I mean.. they DO sound alot better, and yea, its constant power..

10-31-2006, 09:50 PM	#20 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,366	I don't have much experience with blowers on a V-6. There are some guys here with them. A basic super charger would be the least expensive option and should be good for 80 - 90 hp I would think. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

10-31-2006, 09:53 PM	#21 (permalink)
SnTBakosFinest Nitrous Injected 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,589	i see, well, i'll read up on it all.. start looking at prices and start saving.. thanks alot though.. really helps when theres someone around to help me out .. if i would've had it bought..i probably would've been in trouble lol.

10-31-2006, 10:04 PM	#22 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,366	That is what we are here for. But, don't take my word as law....listen to other opinions and formulate what is best for you. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

10-31-2006, 10:13 PM	#23 (permalink)
SnTBakosFinest Nitrous Injected 3.8 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,589	Well, so far you're the only one whos given the in-depth advice. Unfortunately, I was just surfing. Saw a procharger for a v6..4k for it.. but a total of 345hp on my car, at 11psi. and apparently..rpmoutlet.com doesn't have a section up for nitrous oxide yet.. lol.