Can a Muslim be a good American??????
 

CAN A MUSLIM BE A GOOD AMERICAN?


* Better think about this long and hard.....*

Can a Good Muslim be a Good American?

Interesting questions for the Muslim Community to discuss & for
research on our part also.

Can a good Muslim be a good American? I forwarded that question to a friend
who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years . The following is his forwarded
reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon
God of Arabia. Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by
his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)


Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam
and the Quran (Koran). Geographically - no. Because his
allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make
friends with Christians or Jews. Politically - no. Because he must submit
to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and
Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and
beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 ).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American
Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the
Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist.
Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no Because when we declare "one nation under God," the
Christians God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as
heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Qurans 99 excellent
names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very
suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both
"good" Muslims and good Americans.

Call it what you wish..its still the truth. You had better believe it!
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements,
perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand
this, the better it will be for our country and our future. Pass it on
Fellow Americans. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.

*And Braack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our President...*

that's like saying catholics can't be good americans because their overall allegiance is to the Pope. Kinda free-tarded.

Does following fundamentalist Islam make it hard to live in a liberalized western secular society.. sure as hell does. It'll still end up like all the other religions... a failure destroyed by rediscovered history and ignored except on the sabbath.

You know I know a lot of very religious jews that eat bacon cheeseburgers. They've simply decided that the dietary laws don't apply to their relationship with <insert non-existant deity here>.

thats a bit retarded...theologically, religiously and spiritually sort of fall under the same umbrella...as for muslims being good americans? why the hell not? what difference does religion make? these days we can barely get away with saying god in school...and that "one nation under god" line is just about outlawed anyway...why pretend we are gods country now? better hope muslims can be good americans...cause last time i checked in at my doctors office it was almost 80% of them

a fanantical muslim cannot be a good American.

all the "regular" muslims...dont see why not.

Are there any "regular" ones? Its pretty much all fanantical,just not all will say it.

I work next to a guy from Dubai...he is muslim. He's a cool dude. peaceful, helpful, courteous etc.

Hell, Americans have a hard time being "good" Americans

yeah thats what people thought about Hitler before he went on a rampage

and you don't know what he does behind closed doors.

I live a couple of miles down the road from the apartments and Mosque that 3 of the 911 hijackers lived in and no one thought they were bad Muslims. My point is they cant be trusted

People thought that about Hitler because one of the first things Hitler did was to control the media and information. He also unified the German people by creating an external threat to their beliefs and way of life. He gave the german people a common enemy to focus all of the fear and hatred on while he forged and solidified an evil, war mongering empire. His solution, known as "The Final Solution", caused the near genocide of the jewish population from Europe and sent millions to their deaths.
Using Hitler as an example is a very poor chose when referring to the current world political state.

A little girl was kidnapped from an alley on the 4th of July right behind her house. The suspect was driving a grey van. So, anyone that drives a grey van can't be trusted.

Two teenage girls robbed a bank not too long ago, so, teenage girls can't be trusted.

A U.S. Senator was caught with his hand in the prostitute cook jar, now they can't be trusted.

We live in a volitile, open society, its easy to put the blame on all of our problems with just one part of it.

Muslims cant be trusted. they want to kill and destroy all non Muslims conversion is not an option

come on man that is rediculous, my buddy audil is muslim, and he is far from fanatical. you really cant be that ignorant to think they are all crazy can you?

it is a religion, but how many people on here are christian, catholic, and jewish and 100% adhere to the writings and teachings? there is just as much shit in christianity about killing and dominating and stuff. how much blood is on the hands of the christian religion?

Hell, most religious people (christians/catholica/jews) i know still do things that are against the religion, or just choose to ignore certain beliefs and aspects of the religion because they choose to. They figure the teachings are there for moral lessons, some things are no longer valid, and they make individual decisions on thier own accord as to what is and what is not valid in a religion. This is common, extremly common. Or else all the "christians" woudl be out there killing all the homosexuals.

Why cant muslims take the religion as guidlines and make thier own decisions as to what to believe and ignore?

You have GOT to be kidding me right?

Since the bible talks about "Stoning homos" then all fags should not trust christians because none of them can be trusted not to throw rocks at fags?

seriously cheds, that is without a doubt the dumbest thing you have ever said, and you have never stuck me as a stupid person.

have you ever bothered to meet a muslim? or do you just make these assanine assumptions based off some rediculous claims from some other idiot who spouted them out?

Democrats can't be trusted.


This is a proven fact.

:tongueout:

there is no good muslims they hate us and they hate americans any 1 whos not a muslim is there enemy any we should wach this religion be cuz it can be dangerous to r values :nono:

lol.... i dont trust anyone who is far right or far left.

leaning too heavy on any side clouds judgement in my view. Cause that is when people call others wrong not because of a flaw in thier opponents logic, but simply because the opponent is not of the same side, regardless to the merrits of the ideas.

Well I know plenty of muslins who know how to type.

i wasent insulting you so you should leave me be and ill leave you be all camel jocky r evil

That's a pretty g'damned ignorant thing to say right there

What if I told you I was arabic?

well i wouldnt trust you if you were and i would think you might use your mustang as a bomb or some thing :flamed:

lol.... cant argue with that logic....

lmao

Hahaha....

My family lived in Saudi for 12 years. We had many great Muslim friends. Behind the doors these people are no different than you and I . The Sheik who owned the compound even allowed us to have Catholic worship, as long as it was not publically displayed. He was of the opinion that Christians and Muslims believed in the same God.

The problem is with the Religious Police, who are usually un-educated thugs brain washed with a fanatical Islam point of view. IMO, the official Religious enforcement is driving the fanatical Muslim to be intolerant.

I may be too extreme. I just get a horrible evil feeling of non trust with them. Some may be good people but its just the bad ones that cancel out all the good too me. I dont know what to think of them.

Yes I have met an muslim

this is what i should have said Jack

you know 80% of muslims support bombings. and why do the other 20% ever stand up and say its wrong :shakeno:

consider this: I personally think religion is nothing more than cowardice in the face of an impending answer to an unknown question. I think the most fanatically religious are possibly the most cowardly.

Backing it up: One of you has got to be a psych major. If you were to profile a coward, they would always long for control over others since they feel a lack of power and control over their own life. Thus the super religious are simply grasping at some control in an uncertain world.

Taking it one step further: So, we should expect that those with the absolute best reason to try to effect their will on others would be the biggest pusses and the most likely to swallow a HUGE load of BS like you can find in any major religion. They're by extension also the most likely to internalize and moralize any bizarre or inhumane actions they might take as "the only weapon they have".

Blowing the whole argument: The two nicest guys I've ever met are 1, an incredibly faithful orthodox Jew and 2, a Shi'a Muslim (to his credit he disregards ALL of the really wacky chit as archaic). The biggest piece of crap I've ever met is a fundamentalist born-again Christian. The jew and the muslim are some of the best Americans I know and their faith does not interfere with their respect and sense of duty to their country.

It's disrepectful to them and to everyone else to label them evil because they like a different book than your dad did. Fundamentalist christians are just as big a problem but we call them that instead of abortion clinic terrorists, serial bombers, mass murderers or other slurs. It's all in the PR.

just remember you dont hear about jews and other religions bombing women and children for there god

yeah.. all they ever did was kill jesus... :kekekegay:

thats not the same :nono:

Islam actually has the bible as one of there history books.

so are you saying Christians are mass murderers??

no im saying muslims r thay r the killers you just don't hear of other religions killing ppl for there religions thats the point im trying to make

christian crusades......

slaem witch trials....

the spanish inquisition.....

im sure i could think of another dozen examples of catholics and christians killing in the name of god if i wasnt in a hurry

lol

yeah they think jeebus was a prophet rather than God incarnate though. They consider the christian doctrine of trinity (not to mention the whole son-o God thing) to be something like heresy.

And yeah... christians are historically mass murdering f\/ckheads if you read the history books. So are: jews, hindus, bhuddists, shinto's, and people from new jersey. See... religion is bad. No doubt about it. Don't worry though... I hear there's a special place in hell for religious people. I understand it's supposed to be quite nice. Satan is said to have popped for a Ferrari cake.

Uh... read much news of the past say... 1000 years? Wikipedia yourself up some history before you pop off with dumb stuff like that. Try the zealots, the assiens, ROME, the army of f\/cking DAVID KING OF THE JEWS wiping out the residents of Canan, crusades (there were several of these blood lettings), the whole damned history of Egypt, Salem witch trials, the reason the Mormons moved to BFE fuggin Utah, need I go on. It's endemic to religion that people will take it too far. People become morons when they believe BS stories that seem to require tithing to get more of.

woot... preach it brutha!

lol... Yeah, Any religion can be a great thing for moral guidance, and all relgiions have had thier share of mass murders and genocides in the name of thier gods.

all religions have hit both ends of the spectrum. To sit there and say islam is the most violent religion is absolutly ludacris. do some reading of the history of the other major religions and you will see there is not much difference. The only REAL difference is back when the christians were mass murdering people they diddnt have explosives, so they just had to hack and slash thier way through the women and children rather than blow themselves up.

I'm Catholic, I'll kill all you ****ers in the name of the Pope.:nunu:


BRING IT! :tongueout:

We don't need to worry about Catholics killing us. We just need to worry they are going to rape our little kids in the butt.Thats their real threat.hahaha:kekekegay:

Your Californian little boys can do that all on their own :tongueout:

you keep forgetting were straight here

If you dont believe in religion or a god how can you believe in a "hell"

The same was said about some of the guys who flew planes into the World Trade Center.