Bring the troops home??
 

Regardless if you think we should have went to Iraq or not.....do you think it's time to bring the troops home? Why or why not?

We need to finish the job. Leaving now would make us the laughing stock of the world for investing billions of $$ and several years into a foreign country, only to pull out of it like that.

Exactly. We dont go somewhere, tear it to hell, and then dip out. GW is very adament about finishing what was started.

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stay til the end... don't need to pull the same stupid move that we pulled in 'Nam

Ok, let me ask this question and obviously none of us are foreign policy experts by trade, but for arguments sake..... what does "finish the job" mean? We went there, we beat the crap out of the Iraqi army....we got Saddam.

I'm just frustrated because I'm now reading stories about our troops killing alleged innocent people....... yeah, I don't think that should happen, but what do people expect when our troops are under the stress of constantly having to watch their back because every single person you come in contact with MIGHT blow you up!

Finish the job ie: get Iraq started again, right now, they aren't producing jack or doing anything for themselves, we're doing it for them. Once their army is fully trained, maybe start rebuilding their market and let them be independent, instead of dependent on the US

My opinion on finished. A strong, stable democracy, and get rid of a large portion of the insurgents. Also, train the Iraqi's to handle themselves in combat situations, so that a week after they elect a new leader, he doesnt get capped...

I agree. The only problem is, it'll take atleast a decade to establish a stable government and military/police force in Iraq. I think it was a ****-for-brains decision to blow the **** out of Iraq in the first place, but I do agree that we can't just leave now. We got butt-****ed by Bush because now that we've put billions into destroying the country, we have to put billions into rebuilding; not counting the lives lost in destroying and trying to rebuild.

Yeah, we don't go somewhere, tear it to hell and then leave. We go somewhere, tear it to hell, end up losing hundreds of our soldiers, then pay billions to rebuild, become victims of more terrorist attacks and then go back in yet again. The war is all crap and Bush isn't gonna bring the soldiers home unless he was a soldier or his kids were. We all know what his kids are though lol

eh...i say pull the troops out and nuke the mutha ****as

Yah... shoulda done that on 9-12

Yea that'll be grand. Then when we're not expecting it all the big countries in the Middle-east can send their nukes at us at one time so we get ****ed. SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN! :poke:

I hear people say that **** all the time. That could be the dumbest, most arrogant solution I've ever heard. Not to mention the fact that the U.S. already has a bad rep as the bully of the world. Just nuking the **** outta them would turn our allies against us and eventually start a world war, which we would not win because we'd be by ourselves.

You're an idiot for taking me seriously.

I know you are kidding. But I do hear that a lot and I have actually said it a few times but..damn..we are constantly busting other countries balls for them producing nuclear weapons and here we go using them lol. How hypocritcal would that be lol.

Anyway I agree with staying till the job is done. This all started because of Osama so we need to bust his ass and get that place cleaned up.

It would be nice to just nuke them with no repercussions..but unfortunatley that could never be so :(

Yeah but....if you knew something about our nuclear weapons and what it TAKES to use them, it's not as easy as a flick of the switch. The president can't just go "Hey lets nuke those bitches!" he's under check by other people. Whereas in other countries..for example - Iran, that crazy old bastard can do whatever he wants whenever he wants and no one in his country can stop him.

Now, we gave Saddam his ultimatum, he thought we were full of crap, and got his army and his own ass handed to him.

Yeah, started because of the Sept. 11th attacks and went from Osama and the taliban to Saddam and Iraq, convenient isn't it? Amazes me that we can find Saddam in a hole in the ground and yet we can't find an old man surrounded by other people who is sick..... Amazing. The job has been done, the job was done the first day we bombed Afghanistan. The rest is just Bush trying to impress daddy at the expense of the American people. We need another Ronald Regean.

I wasn't taking you seriously, you're an idiot for thinking I did. I give you more credit than that. It's not even funny to joke about because it's the most retarded statement I've ever heard. Just the fact that that solution is in people's minds supports the stereotype of arrogant and selfish Americans.

We nuked Japan twice in world war 2, and then occupied the country.

We are STILL there.




We will be in iraq a long time. America has never really been into the Hit & Leave thing. We are still in korea... germany.... japan... we will be in iraq for quite a while.

Ya kno if we wouldn't have nuked Japan.. you'd be driving a Honda Civic right now instead of a Mustang. :helpsmili Think about it, lol

And, it doesn't really matter that we still have military forces in Japan, or Germany...the forces over there are about 2% of our military and it's not like they're there for a combat role.

They are over there to prevent the need for a combative role. The whole issue is that they shouldn't be over there in the first place. There is no need to be in Germany because we aren't at war with them and they aren't near any areas of conflict.

True. They went from a combat role to an enforecer role to a peace keeping role to a defencive role. its changed.

There is a show on Comcast On-Demand im been wanting to get around to seeing. It is about how the Japanese tested thier own nuclear device 6 days after we bommed hiroshima. You bet your ass if we would have waited a week or two they would have beat us to the punch.
VVVVWWAAAP!!!!!!!! There goes NJ! Sorry Greg!

I think it is a lot more than 2% over there though. There are a bunch of bases out there. Yokota AB, Misawa AB, Yokuska Naval Base, and more. Not to mention the base we have in okinawa. Its a good stratigic place.

Iraq would be strategic to stick around in too.

dont get me wrong, i'd like to see our troops come home. i just dont see it happening anytime soon. we will have troops out there for the next 10-20 years easily. Hopefully in the next 5 years though the Iraqui's will start to get used to our presence and things will mellow a bit.

Japanese hated us when we arrived. They love us now.

then again..... there are some severe cultural differences between the japanese and iraquis. lol

I think germany would get pretty pissed if we just pulled out.
Same with japanese. They have been relying on the US military for defence, it has been a nice free ride for them when it comes to defence.
Thing about germany is the geneva convention stated they were not allowed to have a military. lol...

From what i know, of all the people i have talked to in the various liocations the US miitary has presence, almost ALL of them are happy to have us there.

The germans might not like the US's policy, but they love that we have a buttload of military weaponry to protect them. Plus they seem to like americans individually. Japanese are the same. We are in Saudi, Turkey, England, we are EVERYWHERE.....

The Idea of bailing out of Iraq sounds like a good one, however, i get a feeling that if we just "upped and out" that things there would get a lot worse. The fractured nation would have civil war, territorys and boundrys will be divided, and IF saddam REALLY DID have WMD and hid them, and one of those groups gets a hold of them, they will happily nuke the bejesus out of the other group and probably try to find a way to hit us with one of them too.


I still think we will eventually find WMD's,.... might not be anytime in the future, but why else would saddam time and time again dodge the weapon inspectors? They have either been moved to another country, destroyed, buried, or hidden somewhere remote. The idea that there are none there?
Saddam KNEW what he was facing if he diddnt cooperate. Why was he so insistant to NOT cooperate?
they are these somewhere.
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Ya, the Germans love us... slick - think back to pre WWII...berlin..berlin wall. East Berlin (Russian controlled) = prison, West Berlin (US controlled) = heaven.

They love us :D

I agree that they love us, but we (the tax payers) need to stand up because this is bull**** that we are putting millions into protecting Germany, which is doing nothing for us. We need to quit this :icon_bs: and stop baby-sitting these countries. They have an established government and some sort of law enforcement. Back in 1776 did we have anyone baby-sitting us? Nope, infact we had the number one world power fighting us. I just think before we go into the 22nd century, we'll be occupying 50%-75% of the entire world. We're pretty damn close right now.

Oh come on now. Germany does all kinds of wonderful things for us. Such as allowing us to over-pay for thier crappy cars..
And then there is sourkraut.....

actually... german food sucks ass. ive had several german dishes... smelled like vomit......

You know what? Yer right dude. i cant think of a single thing they do for us.


Well.... they did take david hasslehoff away... that has to count for something

I'm pretty sure we traded David Hasselhoff for 3 Ruppels and a chicken. Other than that...

Damn that was a great deal we got too!

Oh come on Night Rider was sweet! ha ha ha.

I mean to say.. POST WWII ** woopz

Oh and around 1776/ our independence.....we had this country called France that pretty much saved our arses from British reinforcements

DAMN right...It worked with Japan. I don't recall anymore attacks from Japan since Pearl Harbor.

We were attacked first, and yet people think that we shouldn't retaliate. Why don't we just bend over and take it in the ass again. With no retaliation, the attacks would continue until we were taken over. As far as killing their innocent people, they killed our innocent people so what is good is for the goose is good for the gander. Let's nuke em and speed this process along.

If we diddnt retaliate they maay just have nuked us. apparently they tested a nuclear weapon 6 days after we vbombed hiroshima.
wish there was a better way to do it though, lotta innocent japanese civilians killed.
nukes are such messy weapons.

So, that has nothing to do with the troops in Iraq. :confused: The war in Afghanistan was for when we got ****ed during 9/11. That war was abandoned a few years ago so that we could lead on to a better, more profitable one in Iraq. BTW, by profitable I mean oil for Bush's buddies. I know you guys are sick of hearing everyone say that and that's all the war leads to, but it's true and it's not a reason to go to war with a country.

please quit spreading mis-information and conspiracy theories....

even it if WAS true, which it's not..why the hell would you be complaining? more oil = CHEAPER GAS prices = your v8 last another 10 years.

HAHAHAHHAAH!!!!! I'm sorry but that was the dumbest ****ing statement I've heard in a few years. CHEAPER GAS PRICES?!?!?! You haven't noticed that since the war in Iraq has been going on that gas prices have more than doubled? The reason is because now we are paying for the protection that the gas companies are using on their oil rigs.

Actually i believe the gas prices are higher do to the fact that Hurricane Katrina F'd up are oil rigs in the gulf. We actually do supply some of our own oil that was one of the major reasons why it sky rocketed last year.

Think of it this way if Bush would have done nothing about 9/11 he would be wrong but he didn't he retaliated back and he was wrong no matter what he does he is wrong. It's a lot easier to sit back as a civilian and not know the whole story and say man that president's an idiot. If you are getting your info from the news you are seeing what they want you to see. when do they ever report something good. NEVER!!!!! There are alot of Iraqis who are happy we are there. I hope we take over the middle east and make it a better place so they stop coming here. If america is so horrible for attacking these countries then why do they come here to live and raise their families. TO GET AWAY FROM THOSE HELL HOLES. One day it will be the UNITED COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD. THere is nothing wrong with that because we offer opportunities for everyone.

Even after the troops leave there will be a perminent base setup just like everywhere else. We also have embassies all over the world why do you think they are there to make sure we know what that country is up to. Everyone has always been jealous of america that's were the hate comes from.

I think that's enough said.

You know, if the Arab/Muslim countries would just freaking loosen up a bit, things would be just fine......they need mustangs, strip clubs, coors light, vodka, football, baseball, bars, clubs ect....then they won't sit around thinking about how much they hate america! ha ha ha

Actually i just got back from Bahrain and There where bars and clubs everywhere. Prostitutes too. I felt like i was in america. That's the other thing i forgot to mention all the countries have our restaurants and they don't have too but they do. Everyone wants the american way but don't admit it.

Nice, I think Isreal is the same way also.....they have malls and all kinds of american type stuff......but now if we can just get IRAN to loosen up....Hell, I read something the other day they don't let women attend soccer games because they don't want them to see bare legs! WTF people, go have a beer and relax!

Actually only about 20% of oil we import is refined in the Gulf area and about 75% of them are already up and running because they put that before the cities.

As far as us producing our own oil, you're right, the only thing is... WE DON'T GET ANY OIL FROM THE GULF! The only substantial amount of oil we get from domestic locations is in Alaska, all away across the country. 75% of what we get comes from the Persian Gulf area, about 20% is from Alaska, and then the remaining 5% comes from various areas aroung the world such as Venezuala and Nigeria.

Bush did retaliate, and I was with him on that one. You keep coming back to this, but infact the retaliation was against Afghanistan because Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. This war has nothing to do with 9/11 but some of you guys keep going back to what Bush's decision was to retaliate. I agreed with him that we should have went to war with Afghanistan, but I don't think we should have called it Mission Accomplished in '03 then went to war with Iraq. We never found Osama and we didn't accomplish anything. So I suggest you get off the whole 9/11 thing because it has nothing, ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to do with the war in Iraq.