Bring the troops home??
#5
05-31-2006, 05:07 PM
Ok, let me ask this question and obviously none of us are foreign policy experts by trade, but for arguments sake..... what does "finish the job" mean? We went there, we beat the crap out of the Iraqi army....we got Saddam.
I'm just frustrated because I'm now reading stories about our troops killing alleged innocent people....... yeah, I don't think that should happen, but what do people expect when our troops are under the stress of constantly having to watch their back because every single person you come in contact with MIGHT blow you up!
I'm just frustrated because I'm now reading stories about our troops killing alleged innocent people....... yeah, I don't think that should happen, but what do people expect when our troops are under the stress of constantly having to watch their back because every single person you come in contact with MIGHT blow you up!
#6
05-31-2006, 05:41 PM
Finish the job ie: get Iraq started again, right now, they aren't producing jack or doing anything for themselves, we're doing it for them. Once their army is fully trained, maybe start rebuilding their market and let them be independent, instead of dependent on the US
#7
05-31-2006, 06:01 PM
My opinion on finished. A strong, stable democracy, and get rid of a large portion of the insurgents. Also, train the Iraqi's to handle themselves in combat situations, so that a week after they elect a new leader, he doesnt get capped...
#8
06-03-2006, 07:16 AM
Originally Posted by madmatt
My opinion on finished. A strong, stable democracy, and get rid of a large portion of the insurgents. Also, train the Iraqi's to handle themselves in combat situations, so that a week after they elect a new leader, he doesnt get capped...
#9
06-03-2006, 09:12 AM
Yeah, we don't go somewhere, tear it to hell and then leave. We go somewhere, tear it to hell, end up losing hundreds of our soldiers, then pay billions to rebuild, become victims of more terrorist attacks and then go back in yet again. The war is all crap and Bush isn't gonna bring the soldiers home unless he was a soldier or his kids were. We all know what his kids are though lol
#12
06-03-2006, 11:17 AM
Originally Posted by Badfish
eh...i say pull the troops out and nuke the ***** ****as
I hear people say that **** all the time. That could be the dumbest, most arrogant solution I've ever heard. Not to mention the fact that the U.S. already has a bad rep as the bully of the world. Just nuking the **** outta them would turn our allies against us and eventually start a world war, which we would not win because we'd be by ourselves.
#13
06-03-2006, 12:21 PM
Originally Posted by SlicK
Yea that'll be grand. Then when we're not expecting it all the big countries in the Middle-east can send their nukes at us at one time so we get ****ed. SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN!
I hear people say that **** all the time. That could be the dumbest, most arrogant solution I've ever heard. Not to mention the fact that the U.S. already has a bad rep as the bully of the world. Just nuking the **** outta them would turn our allies against us and eventually start a world war, which we would not win because we'd be by ourselves.
I hear people say that **** all the time. That could be the dumbest, most arrogant solution I've ever heard. Not to mention the fact that the U.S. already has a bad rep as the bully of the world. Just nuking the **** outta them would turn our allies against us and eventually start a world war, which we would not win because we'd be by ourselves.
#14
06-03-2006, 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by Badfish
You're an idiot for taking me seriously.
Anyway I agree with staying till the job is done. This all started because of Osama so we need to bust his *** and get that place cleaned up.
#16
06-03-2006, 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Slither
I know you are kidding. But I do hear that a lot and I have actually said it a few times but..damn..we are constantly busting other countries ***** for them producing nuclear weapons and here we go using them lol. How hypocritcal would that be lol.
Anyway I agree with staying till the job is done. This all started because of Osama so we need to bust his *** and get that place cleaned up.
Anyway I agree with staying till the job is done. This all started because of Osama so we need to bust his *** and get that place cleaned up.
Now, we gave Saddam his ultimatum, he thought we were full of crap, and got his army and his own *** handed to him.
#17
06-03-2006, 08:23 PM
Yeah, started because of the Sept. 11th attacks and went from Osama and the taliban to Saddam and Iraq, convenient isn't it? Amazes me that we can find Saddam in a hole in the ground and yet we can't find an old man surrounded by other people who is sick..... Amazing. The job has been done, the job was done the first day we bombed Afghanistan. The rest is just Bush trying to impress daddy at the expense of the American people. We need another Ronald Regean.
#18
06-04-2006, 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by Badfish
You're an idiot for taking me seriously.
#19
06-05-2006, 12:07 PM
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We nuked Japan twice in world war 2, and then occupied the country.
We are STILL there.
We will be in iraq a long time. America has never really been into the Hit & Leave thing. We are still in korea... germany.... japan... we will be in iraq for quite a while.
We are STILL there.
We will be in iraq a long time. America has never really been into the Hit & Leave thing. We are still in korea... germany.... japan... we will be in iraq for quite a while.
#20
06-05-2006, 01:40 PM
Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper
We nuked Japan twice in world war 2, and then occupied the country.
We are STILL there.
We will be in iraq a long time. America has never really been into the Hit & Leave thing. We are still in korea... germany.... japan... we will be in iraq for quite a while.
We are STILL there.
We will be in iraq a long time. America has never really been into the Hit & Leave thing. We are still in korea... germany.... japan... we will be in iraq for quite a while.
And, it doesn't really matter that we still have military forces in Japan, or Germany...the forces over there are about 2% of our military and it's not like they're there for a combat role.
#21
06-05-2006, 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by PColav6
Ya kno if we wouldn't have nuked Japan.. you'd be driving a Honda Civic right now instead of a Mustang. :helpsmili Think about it, lol
And, it doesn't really matter that we still have military forces in Japan, or Germany...the forces over there are about 2% of our military and it's not like they're there for a combat role.
And, it doesn't really matter that we still have military forces in Japan, or Germany...the forces over there are about 2% of our military and it's not like they're there for a combat role.
#22
06-05-2006, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PColav6
Ya kno if we wouldn't have nuked Japan.. you'd be driving a Honda Civic right now instead of a Mustang. :helpsmili Think about it, lol
And, it doesn't really matter that we still have military forces in Japan, or Germany...the forces over there are about 2% of our military and it's not like they're there for a combat role.
And, it doesn't really matter that we still have military forces in Japan, or Germany...the forces over there are about 2% of our military and it's not like they're there for a combat role.
There is a show on Comcast On-Demand im been wanting to get around to seeing. It is about how the Japanese tested thier own nuclear device 6 days after we bommed hiroshima. You bet your *** if we would have waited a week or two they would have beat us to the punch.
VVVVWWAAAP!!!!!!!! There goes NJ! Sorry Greg!
I think it is a lot more than 2% over there though. There are a bunch of bases out there. Yokota AB, Misawa AB, Yokuska Naval Base, and more. Not to mention the base we have in okinawa. Its a good stratigic place.
Iraq would be strategic to stick around in too.
dont get me wrong, i'd like to see our troops come home. i just dont see it happening anytime soon. we will have troops out there for the next 10-20 years easily. Hopefully in the next 5 years though the Iraqui's will start to get used to our presence and things will mellow a bit.
Japanese hated us when we arrived. They love us now.
then again..... there are some severe cultural differences between the japanese and iraquis. lol
#23
06-05-2006, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SlicK
They are over there to prevent the need for a combative role. The whole issue is that they shouldn't be over there in the first place. There is no need to be in Germany because we aren't at war with them and they aren't near any areas of conflict.
Same with japanese. They have been relying on the US military for defence, it has been a nice free ride for them when it comes to defence.
Thing about germany is the geneva convention stated they were not allowed to have a military. lol...
From what i know, of all the people i have talked to in the various liocations the US miitary has presence, almost ALL of them are happy to have us there.
The germans might not like the US's policy, but they love that we have a buttload of military weaponry to protect them. Plus they seem to like americans individually. Japanese are the same. We are in Saudi, Turkey, England, we are EVERYWHERE.....
The Idea of bailing out of Iraq sounds like a good one, however, i get a feeling that if we just "upped and out" that things there would get a lot worse. The fractured nation would have civil war, territorys and boundrys will be divided, and IF saddam REALLY DID have WMD and hid them, and one of those groups gets a hold of them, they will happily nuke the bejesus out of the other group and probably try to find a way to hit us with one of them too.
I still think we will eventually find WMD's,.... might not be anytime in the future, but why else would saddam time and time again dodge the weapon inspectors? They have either been moved to another country, destroyed, buried, or hidden somewhere remote. The idea that there are none there?
Saddam KNEW what he was facing if he diddnt cooperate. Why was he so insistant to NOT cooperate?
they are these somewhere.
#24
06-06-2006, 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper
I think germany would get pretty pissed if we just pulled out.
Same with japanese. They have been relying on the US military for defence, it has been a nice free ride for them when it comes to defence.
Thing about germany is the geneva convention stated they were not allowed to have a military. lol...
From what i know, of all the people i have talked to in the various liocations the US miitary has presence, almost ALL of them are happy to have us there.
The germans might not like the US's policy, but they love that we have a buttload of military weaponry to protect them. Plus they seem to like americans individually. Japanese are the same. We are in Saudi, Turkey, England, we are EVERYWHERE.....
The Idea of bailing out of Iraq sounds like a good one, however, i get a feeling that if we just "upped and out" that things there would get a lot worse. The fractured nation would have civil war, territorys and boundrys will be divided, and IF saddam REALLY DID have WMD and hid them, and one of those groups gets a hold of them, they will happily nuke the bejesus out of the other group and probably try to find a way to hit us with one of them too.
I still think we will eventually find WMD's,.... might not be anytime in the future, but why else would saddam time and time again dodge the weapon inspectors? They have either been moved to another country, destroyed, buried, or hidden somewhere remote. The idea that there are none there?
Saddam KNEW what he was facing if he diddnt cooperate. Why was he so insistant to NOT cooperate?
they are these somewhere.
Same with japanese. They have been relying on the US military for defence, it has been a nice free ride for them when it comes to defence.
Thing about germany is the geneva convention stated they were not allowed to have a military. lol...
From what i know, of all the people i have talked to in the various liocations the US miitary has presence, almost ALL of them are happy to have us there.
The germans might not like the US's policy, but they love that we have a buttload of military weaponry to protect them. Plus they seem to like americans individually. Japanese are the same. We are in Saudi, Turkey, England, we are EVERYWHERE.....
The Idea of bailing out of Iraq sounds like a good one, however, i get a feeling that if we just "upped and out" that things there would get a lot worse. The fractured nation would have civil war, territorys and boundrys will be divided, and IF saddam REALLY DID have WMD and hid them, and one of those groups gets a hold of them, they will happily nuke the bejesus out of the other group and probably try to find a way to hit us with one of them too.
I still think we will eventually find WMD's,.... might not be anytime in the future, but why else would saddam time and time again dodge the weapon inspectors? They have either been moved to another country, destroyed, buried, or hidden somewhere remote. The idea that there are none there?
Saddam KNEW what he was facing if he diddnt cooperate. Why was he so insistant to NOT cooperate?
they are these somewhere.
They love us
#25
06-06-2006, 09:32 PM
Originally Posted by PColav6
Ya, the Germans love us... slick - think back to pre WWII...berlin..berlin wall. East Berlin (Russian controlled) = prison, West Berlin (US controlled) = heaven.
They love us
They love us
and stop baby-sitting these countries. They have an established government and some sort of law enforcement. Back in 1776 did we have anyone baby-sitting us? Nope, infact we had the number one world power fighting us. I just think before we go into the 22nd century, we'll be occupying 50%-75% of the entire world. We're pretty damn close right now.
#26
06-07-2006, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SlicK
I agree that they love us, but we (the tax payers) need to stand up because this is bull**** that we are putting millions into protecting Germany, which is doing nothing for us. We need to quit this and stop baby-sitting these countries. They have an established government and some sort of law enforcement. Back in 1776 did we have anyone baby-sitting us? Nope, infact we had the number one world power fighting us. I just think before we go into the 22nd century, we'll be occupying 50%-75% of the entire world. We're pretty damn close right now.
and stop baby-sitting these countries. They have an established government and some sort of law enforcement. Back in 1776 did we have anyone baby-sitting us? Nope, infact we had the number one world power fighting us. I just think before we go into the 22nd century, we'll be occupying 50%-75% of the entire world. We're pretty damn close right now.And then there is sourkraut.....
actually... german food sucks ***. ive had several german dishes... smelled like vomit......
You know what? Yer right dude. i cant think of a single thing they do for us.
Well.... they did take david hasslehoff away... that has to count for something
#27
06-07-2006, 01:47 PM
Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper
Oh come on now. Germany does all kinds of wonderful things for us. Such as allowing us to over-pay for thier crappy cars..
And then there is sourkraut.....
actually... german food sucks ***. ive had several german dishes... smelled like vomit......
You know what? Yer right dude. i cant think of a single thing they do for us.
Well.... they did take david hasslehoff away... that has to count for something
And then there is sourkraut.....
actually... german food sucks ***. ive had several german dishes... smelled like vomit......
You know what? Yer right dude. i cant think of a single thing they do for us.
Well.... they did take david hasslehoff away... that has to count for something
#30
06-07-2006, 11:57 PM
Originally Posted by PColav6
Ya, the Germans love us... slick - think back to pre WWII...berlin..berlin wall. East Berlin (Russian controlled) = prison, West Berlin (US controlled) = heaven.
They love us
They love us
Oh and around 1776/ our independence.....we had this country called France that pretty much saved our ***** from British reinforcements
