I'm being realistic now = staying NA

csledd · 02-09-2006, 03:37 PM

well, the truth is I'm never going to save enough money to fullfill my dream of owning a KB... not for at least 2 more years at least (because of finishing school, having to take a million certification tests which cost money, moving, getting a new job). So in the ultimate goal to obtain more power for my car I've decided on the ultimate NA mod.. cams of course. (again)

ok. I'm thinking if I do this I need to go all out.. which I'm thinking VT Stage 2, so I would need new springs and valves, correct? Anything else I should replace? stock cam gears are alright? I'm hoping to hit 300 at the wheels with some luck of the tuners, we'll see.. should I be concerned with replacing anything else because of the horsepower?

Badfish · 02-09-2006, 03:39 PM

screw KB, why does everyone and theyre mom think KBs are the greatest blowers of all time??? theyre over rated...

get a Novi 2000 mongoose kit and dont look back

csledd · 02-09-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SpringsStang

screw KB, why does everyone and theyre mom think KBs are the greatest blowers of all time??? theyre over rated...

get a Novi 2000 mongoose kit and dont look back

They are NOT overrated when it comes to the street

WaterDR · 02-09-2006, 04:03 PM

Christie, cams are never going to get you where you want and only delay saving for a blower even more. I think you might be a bit caught up in "I have to get a KB or nothing". Why not get a nice used Vortech for about $2500? It's gonna cost you over a $1000 for the cams (cams+springs+tuning) anyway. And that's installing yourself.

*4.6 Love* · 02-09-2006, 04:10 PM

Kb's are overrated imho...and yes you will need new valvesprings..

jeredan2003 · 02-09-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!

Christie, cams are never going to get you where you want and only delay saving for a blower even more. I think you might be a bit caught up in "I have to get a KB or nothing". Why not get a nice used Vortech for about $2500? It's gonna cost you over a $1000 for the cams (cams+springs+tuning) anyway. And that's installing yourself.

I actually think it would be a good idea. Shes prolly already thought of the used blower idea. Dont get ripped off on a used blower thats prolly almost croaked.

spike_africa · 02-09-2006, 04:19 PM

You do not need to replace the valves they are fine just the cams and springs need to be replaced.

And people like the KB because it makes crazy power down low that street cars love. drag racers will take that power up top so you can get out of the hole and move it. Me i wouldnt use anything but ATI.

jeredan2003 · 02-09-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spike_africa

You do not need to replace the valves they are fine just the cams and springs need to be replaced.

And people like the KB because it makes crazy power down low that street cars love. drag racers will take that power up top so you can get out of the hole and move it. Me i wouldnt use anything but ATI.

Prochargers whine too much.

csledd · 02-09-2006, 04:49 PM

well I won't buy used parts, I've been down that road once and was burned. I'd rather just fork out the extra cash for new parts and not have to worry about it. I have considered S/C's other than the KB. Yeah cams will cost me around $1k, but I'd have to save almost another $3k past that just for a mongoose kit. With all the money I have to dish out on just my certification tests I'll be taking over the next year I'll never be able to save that much. But just doing cams I could do. and then after I'm done with certs, school, and get moved and into a new job hopefully making some decent money i can afford a new block and any s/c i want lol

*Lances03SVT* · 02-09-2006, 04:52 PM

Sounds good to me Christie.Get it done before STL?

csledd · 02-09-2006, 04:53 PM

yeah should be done in April I think, gonna try to FINALLY do my DD's by WFC also lol

JayC · 02-09-2006, 04:54 PM

TRANSLATION: I'm being realistic now = staying SLOW

Nitrous is a great option if the funds for a blower aren't available....unless you wanna stay SLOW

Jay

*Lances03SVT* · 02-09-2006, 04:55 PM

That would be awesome.We could get some killer pic's with our DSG's

csledd · 02-09-2006, 05:00 PM

yeah.. my car will be slow, I know.. but I have too many other things to focus on for now

TEXASPAUL · 02-09-2006, 05:49 PM

shes teh smert oen!!!!!

*madmatt* · 02-09-2006, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JayC

TRANSLATION: I'm being realistic now = staying SLOW

Nitrous is a great option if the funds for a blower aren't available....unless you wanna stay SLOW

Jay

EXACTLY. Have you thought about the giggle gas Christie. Hell, you could do both cams AND the spray for less than the blower cost. VT stg 2's LOVE nitrous. Friend of mine is making 415 rwhp and over 500 lbft through an automatic with a set of VT's and a 100 shot. Something to mull over, I think you are making the right decision. School > KB anyday of the week. Hell, you may finish school and come across a nice clean 03 Cobra...

csledd · 02-09-2006, 06:42 PM

at what hp do you generally need a new fuel pump? and what about fuel injectors? I know the 03's have the pink which are.. 24lb? I can't remember, but when do those have to be upgraded. and what about MAF? I'm trying to make my shopping list

I don't really care much for nitrous right now, but I wouldn't rule it out for the future because I'm more fond of it now than in the past.

*madmatt* · 02-09-2006, 06:48 PM

Front what I understand, when you do the 100 shot, its a good idea to get the focus pump, but as far as I know, the stock injectors are fine.

MattJ · 02-09-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by csledd

at what hp do you generally need a new fuel pump? and what about fuel injectors? I know the 03's have the pink which are.. 24lb? I can't remember, but when do those have to be upgraded. and what about MAF? I'm trying to make my shopping list

I don't really care much for nitrous right now, but I wouldn't rule it out for the future because I'm more fond of it now than in the past.

Our fuel system is adequate untill around 350 rwhp. You might want to get a SVT Focus pump which can take about 425 rwhp.

Mug11 · 02-09-2006, 08:13 PM

NA + Spray > blown

i'm poor also

WaterDR · 02-09-2006, 08:57 PM

Actually Christie, spray might be a great option for you. Why? It has a low set up cost, gets great power for when you want it, AND you can pull it all off and sell it when you have the money for something else.

S****, I have a complete system off my car. For probably less then $600 you could get a nice setup (hint hint), make 350 rwhp no problem and not have to worry about killing the car.

jeredan2003 · 02-10-2006, 07:12 AM

If you do go with nitrous then NX is the only way to go.

I think ported heads and cams would be a nicer addition than a blower or nitrous though. Your not adding something that puts tons of stress on the motor. Plus you get a brand new valvetrain. And I think the cams would sound so good at idle.

02-09-2006, 03:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
csledd DSG!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 3,074	I'm being realistic now = staying NA well, the truth is I'm never going to save enough money to fullfill my dream of owning a KB... not for at least 2 more years at least (because of finishing school, having to take a million certification tests which cost money, moving, getting a new job). So in the ultimate goal to obtain more power for my car I've decided on the ultimate NA mod.. cams of course. (again) ok. I'm thinking if I do this I need to go all out.. which I'm thinking VT Stage 2, so I would need new springs and valves, correct? Anything else I should replace? stock cam gears are alright? I'm hoping to hit 300 at the wheels with some luck of the tuners, we'll see.. should I be concerned with replacing anything else because of the horsepower? __________________ CAP DSG Registry 2003 Mustang GT - daily driven check out my cardomain for more info 296 rwhp / 310 rwtq Money spent @ AM: $4623.20 1984 Mustang Hatch - low budget project

02-09-2006, 03:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
Badfish Listen to reggae. Join Date: May 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 8,889	screw KB, why does everyone and theyre mom think KBs are the greatest blowers of all time??? theyre over rated... get a Novi 2000 mongoose kit and dont look back __________________ '04 2.3l Evo '86 GSXR 750

02-09-2006, 04:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,374	Christie, cams are never going to get you where you want and only delay saving for a blower even more. I think you might be a bit caught up in "I have to get a KB or nothing". Why not get a nice used Vortech for about $2500? It's gonna cost you over a $1000 for the cams (cams+springs+tuning) anyway. And that's installing yourself. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

02-09-2006, 04:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
4.6 Love Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mexico Posts: 6,153	Kb's are overrated imho...and yes you will need new valvesprings.. __________________ Go Cowboys! X pipe and flows

02-09-2006, 04:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,367	You do not need to replace the valves they are fine just the cams and springs need to be replaced. And people like the KB because it makes crazy power down low that street cars love. drag racers will take that power up top so you can get out of the hole and move it. Me i wouldnt use anything but ATI. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

02-09-2006, 04:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
csledd DSG!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 3,074	well I won't buy used parts, I've been down that road once and was burned. I'd rather just fork out the extra cash for new parts and not have to worry about it. I have considered S/C's other than the KB. Yeah cams will cost me around $1k, but I'd have to save almost another $3k past that just for a mongoose kit. With all the money I have to dish out on just my certification tests I'll be taking over the next year I'll never be able to save that much. But just doing cams I could do. and then after I'm done with certs, school, and get moved and into a new job hopefully making some decent money i can afford a new block and any s/c i want lol __________________ CAP DSG Registry 2003 Mustang GT - daily driven check out my cardomain for more info 296 rwhp / 310 rwtq Money spent @ AM: $4623.20 1984 Mustang Hatch - low budget project

02-09-2006, 04:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lances03SVT Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Carthage, Missouri Posts: 9,244	Sounds good to me Christie.Get it done before STL? __________________ _______________________ 2003 Cobra SOLD

02-09-2006, 04:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
csledd DSG!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 3,074	yeah should be done in April I think, gonna try to FINALLY do my DD's by WFC also lol __________________ CAP DSG Registry 2003 Mustang GT - daily driven check out my cardomain for more info 296 rwhp / 310 rwtq Money spent @ AM: $4623.20 1984 Mustang Hatch - low budget project

02-09-2006, 04:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
JayC Cage Fighter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 200	TRANSLATION: I'm being realistic now = staying SLOW Nitrous is a great option if the funds for a blower aren't available....unless you wanna stay SLOW Jay __________________ 12.70@106 N/A 11.55@118(Stock Longblock & NX)

02-09-2006, 04:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
Lances03SVT Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Carthage, Missouri Posts: 9,244	That would be awesome.We could get some killer pic's with our DSG's __________________ _______________________ 2003 Cobra SOLD

02-09-2006, 05:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
csledd DSG!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 3,074	yeah.. my car will be slow, I know.. but I have too many other things to focus on for now __________________ CAP DSG Registry 2003 Mustang GT - daily driven check out my cardomain for more info 296 rwhp / 310 rwtq Money spent @ AM: $4623.20 1984 Mustang Hatch - low budget project

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TEXASPAUL official youngest member! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 983	shes teh smert oen!!!!! __________________

02-09-2006, 06:42 PM	#17 (permalink)
csledd DSG!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 3,074	at what hp do you generally need a new fuel pump? and what about fuel injectors? I know the 03's have the pink which are.. 24lb? I can't remember, but when do those have to be upgraded. and what about MAF? I'm trying to make my shopping list I don't really care much for nitrous right now, but I wouldn't rule it out for the future because I'm more fond of it now than in the past. __________________ CAP DSG Registry 2003 Mustang GT - daily driven check out my cardomain for more info 296 rwhp / 310 rwtq Money spent @ AM: $4623.20 1984 Mustang Hatch - low budget project

02-09-2006, 06:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
madmatt Traitor...lol Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 7,929	Front what I understand, when you do the 100 shot, its a good idea to get the focus pump, but as far as I know, the stock injectors are fine. __________________ RPMPlanets

02-09-2006, 08:13 PM	#20 (permalink)
Mug11 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lubbock/Houston, TX Posts: 909	NA + Spray > blown i'm poor also __________________

02-09-2006, 08:57 PM	#21 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,374	Actually Christie, spray might be a great option for you. Why? It has a low set up cost, gets great power for when you want it, AND you can pull it all off and sell it when you have the money for something else. S****, I have a complete system off my car. For probably less then $600 you could get a nice setup (hint hint), make 350 rwhp no problem and not have to worry about killing the car. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

02-10-2006, 07:12 AM	#22 (permalink)
jeredan2003 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 1,788	If you do go with nitrous then NX is the only way to go. I think ported heads and cams would be a nicer addition than a blower or nitrous though. Your not adding something that puts tons of stress on the motor. Plus you get a brand new valvetrain. And I think the cams would sound so good at idle. __________________ 2003 DSG GT 5-speed Hellion 62mm and Flowmaster catback..... My bonestock 2v engine had been through 2 years of NX 100 shot, 3 years running 8-12lbs vortech s-trim, got into boost daily while racing on the weekends, had 157,000 miles on it, and was running like new