car-part.com if you can't find a motor there you didn't look. You'll need a hand from a friend on a couple occasions and air tools are really going to be handy. Otherwise it's not at all difficult. Yours will be more involved than a straight gt swap as you'll have to change out basically the entire vehicles wiring harness pack and you'll need a v8 tune on the computer to even begin to start it. None of that is super hard. It all only fits 1 way. OEM rocks.

For the wiring go to MPS and get a v8 swap kit. You'll pay a good lump for it but it's a complete donor car pull out so you'll get all the little bits. If you can pull it off find a wrecked car and buy the salvage on it. Yank what you need and toss the rest to your local scrap dealer.

 

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I think like 5 of us got a set of these. i know I have a set in my motor.
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Thats what I got in mine!

 

In Sean Hyland's book, he says the dish sizes of NPI headed engines was 11cc I believe and 17cc for PI (somewhere around there, I don't have the book on hand so I'm doing this by memory). For 4V, it's 3cc except for the 03-04 Cobra (might be 3cc dome instead of dish, once again, this is by memory). Personally, I wouldn't even consider stock unless you're on a really tight budget but it's cheap insurance to get forged since if forge pistons fail, they'll just deform, not shatter.

 

perfect gonna go check a engine this weekend!

 

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You guys checked these rods out yet? Lightweight 4340 i beams. Id really like to get ahold of some stock 3v pistons to put the comp about 11.5:1. Every little bit helps right! I mite be the first on here to give the lightweight rods a shot.

Also, how about a 5.4 swap that will make an easy 450rwhp for under $2000? 5.4 engine, B heads and adapters to run the 03-04 cobra blower? Any interest in such a kit? Price may be slightly higher depending on what all you do(stock or aftermarket internals, etc...), but I know the b-heads are cheap and easier to find than the newer 4v heads and with the stock eaton with a pulley upgrade and a good tune should make a NASTY street car with a tq curve out of this world! Making the adapters shouldnt be an issue either for me.

 

BTW anyone have an extra 5.4 crank they wanna get rid of or see one forsale shhot me a pm if you dont mind, mines toast
thanks!

also, do the 5.4s and 4.6 use the same rods?

one more thing, do you have to change springs when installing cams? Please forgive me for all the newb questions, I just really dont know jack about modulars(as you can tell Im sure)

 

03/04 cobra upper set-up will not fit onto the B heads. i kow there are adapters for 4.6 B heads, but to my knowladge there are no 4.6/5.4 adapters that also adapt C intakes to B heads.

with porting on the cobra lower and adapters, you can put the terminator stuff on some Navi tumble ports... which i'm sure would be one awsome combination.

 

TooSlow I am talking about making the adapters to mat the intake for the 03 cobra to the b heads. With a cnc machine allmost anything is possible

 

i might still have a 5.4 crank. i'll check the shop where i collect all my stang parts.

 

it is possible, of course. but there is no such adapter on the market is what i'm saying. if you have a CNC, go for it man.

 

I would sure appreciate that man!

toofast, yessir I am talking about making them myself(and others if the market is there)

 

sounds good to me.

my .02, would be great for 96-98 cobra owners with B headed cars who want a 5.4 AND a blower. But those Al blocks aren't cheap and their light wieght makes them hard to get rid of. so i don't see many cobra owners jumping on the swap bandwagon. That said, if i were to do a 4v 5.4l build from scratch for my GT, i would make it a must to use Navi tumble port heads.

 

no crank but a buddy that has posted on here before has one and might sell it.

 

i have one needs cleaning and possibly turned $120 shipped

 

update: we fired up R3D's 5.4. everything is good to go. we just have to finish up a couple of x pipe issues and she'll be on the road. I'll post some pics/vids tomorrow.

 

lil tidbit of info for anyone needing a crank, you can buy a brand new one for $214 from your local parts place. id highly recommend buying new unless you can find one on the net that needs nothing but instalation that someone is damn near giving away. even if you found one for $50, turn it for $100 then shipping you still have more invested into it than buying brand new. Anyone need the part number and Ill be glad to dig it up.

 

BADASS!

I bought my block and forged crank for $350 and put $50 in work in the crank.

Are you pricing a forged or a cast crank ?

 

Spoke with Bob at HPS. Turns out they do a bit of work with a major aftermarket exhaust manufacturer. Looks like we may just have a way to get retail longtubes. I'll hopefully need to drop my car off at their R&D shop for a few weeks here pretty soon so they can mock them up and get the pattern down.

Also, we're looking at just a couple months for the first batch of intakes to be ready so I need to get a head count of those that desire to purchase one. This isn't a thinking-about-it count.. this is a count of those that are pretty sure they're going to plunk down 600-800 bones (GET YOURS EARLY! The first batch of 4.6 intakes sold at a substantial discount over retail) in as little as 2 months.

We need to have accuracy in this head count as it will define the size of the first batch of intakes and I need to give Bob an idea of how many to produce in the first run. This is your chance to save on total cost and get in on it early. With some adaptation you can even use it on a pickup (you'll have to make several modifications as it sits but we're working on that).

I'll post a new thread in the 4.6 tech section and there will be threads on other boards. Please post only once with "I'll take one" if you plan on being in the first run.

Lastly, don't chicken out. The intake is your single best option to fit the thing under the hood and make the swap that much easier.

 

Hey... 2eighty1, could you cross post the thread I put in the build-ups section at WMR into any better suited sections on that forum? I want to make sure everyone sees it.

 

i'll take one. i just need to know how much so i can get some green together.

 

figure 6-800. I can't be sure yet but that's close. I'm betting the first run will be on the lower end of that range.

 

awesome that you have the beast in its place. timeline for a tune and numbers, or still not sure yet?

sadly, i wont make the first round. good luck, i've been telling everyone who'll listen to me about the HPS intake. i hope its a hit, because i want it to still be around when i'm ready to build.

 

Looking at getting it on the dyno in the next few weeks. Need to find another tuner... the local places have ummmm.... lost my business to put it politely. I won't get into why but suffice it to say it's personal and not due to their quality.

I've got a pretty good butt-dyno so I'll have an idea of numbers just on feel. Break-in is going to be my first concern.

Do you know your timeline for getting the intake? It may still require that I count you to make sure one's ready when you want it.

 

just to prevent unnecessary production cost on their part, and a bit of misleading i'm going to say not in due time.

an unpredicted and unwanted turn of events with a few things have set me back quite a bit recently. it may be a year or 2 before i start playing with car projects again. school and the necessities are my sole concern right now.

 

w00t. Understood. Good luck on it. Keep the faith.

 

will do

 

I will take an intake when they are available

 

so red your saying it will be a couple months for the intake to be ready?

 

YEAH!

Is it 6 months or a couple of months??????

I'm shelling money on the build now for the S/C and would have loved to be able to say "YES" for the first HPS intakes!

Maybe I could get some more work in and some how claim the intake still. When is the dead line for the "YES" claiming the intake.

 

I'm talking January-ish was the time Bob was looking for. I'd figure shipping to purchasers by at worst feb.

Let me be frank for a moment... we know for a fact that at least 50% of those that say they'll buy a first run will not. That's life. So if you really really want a first run, you'll find a way to finance it by then... hell put 50 bones a week aside and you're half way there in the WORST of cases. We're going to basically take the number of peeps that say they'll take one and cut that number in half then add a couple units for slop. I'm betting they FLY off the shelves since it's the absolute first intake made for the application.

There is no real deadline for pre-order. I need to try and have a good solid estimate by end of week since the order has to be placed at the foundry. I've got 4 100% solid takers not including me at this point. I'd like to be able to tell Bob to produce at least 15 or 20 as that makes it more worth it but I don't want to inflate the numbers either. In 24 hours we've got 5 units basically sold so I have high hopes.

If you think you might be able to pick up a first run and you're intent on one day owning one... put your name down and I'll take care of the rest. Each yes answer is only going to be 50% of a yes anyway so you'll not be held accountable to your intention. There's no way to lose out. Also... this is something you can buy and sell on ebay if you want.