I bet this guy knew everything about the ford engine since birth. its pethedic how people would rather spend there time typing pointless put downs rather then helping. dont you think i have people in my town who have rebuilt engines? dont be an *******. and no my engine isnt completely torn apart. its just the block, heads, and manifold, plus the scraps(oil pan, water housing, waterpump, so on)
I was hoping to get support hopping on this forum, considering most dumb asses my age spend all there money on decoration rather then HP.

 

i had to special order 2 different flexplates, one was for a 4r100, Part No fra443 from kragen, and the 4r70w, part fra438, also from kragen as auto zone doesnt carry any, and the one in the motor itself is the e40d

it was out of an e150 but i tried the 4r70w and the 4r100 flexplates also with no prevail


i was only considering it if i couldn't get the auto to work, but idk about that

 

mizz... i swear bro i'm not tryin to put you down, i'm really sorry if you thought so.... but i am trying to help you.... in defense of myself i have BUILT more than a handful of motors, and every one was a ford, yes i have had motors come apart the first time down the track, and motors that are still running >30K miles... now honestly like someone else here said it should only cost about a grand to put back together.... if your shortblock is still together then you can put it all back together yourself so long as you got the tools, now thats easy even though its more labor intensive... 97stang has the right idea

 

The best thing for you to do is research, buy a book or two on building mod motors and look around online. First you need to figure out what you have, and what you dont have. Then you'll have to actually determine what kind of shape the block is in, and if it'll have to be machined and if its thrown any bearings. Then you should be able to figure out where you need to start throwing money at it.

When I was looking to get mine built, I asked around at most of the local machine shops and all the guys I'd talked to hadn't built a 4.6 or a 5.4. So I ended up spending about a grand to get the shortblock machined and assembled, by someone who had built afew.

 

ok i replaced my whole clutch throw out but not the pilot since its only got 2k on er what could possibly be rattling at the back of the motor while running? like a metal on metal rattle the exhaust is tight i took the auto 5.4 tin sheild and replaced with the manual 4.6 tin shield for the front of trans... and all of this did not get rid of this rattle which sounds loudest between bellhousing and engine. also i did bend down the flaps on oil pan that would hit crank i also bent down the flap on my oil pump pickup tube that would have hit. Im friggen stumped lol! any ideas/help would be nice


btw this didnt start till about 500 miles after the swap before this all i had is my still sticky lash adjuster tick

 

What's up ya'll, It's taken me awhile to read every post here and over the last month and a half or so to do it.... I'm sold on it... my car is a 04 comp orange gt w terminator front and 5spd. My wife bought it for me new christmas of 04... so far it has all the usual bolt ons pulleys, cold air, xpipe, flowmasters, triax, 4.10's, spec clutch, ported intake, spacer you get the picture... I have desire for more and don't want to chance boost or nos just to want more and blow up my dd. I had intended on a stroker 4.6 but then I found this thread and some youtube clips and here I am... my bday was yesterday and today I took my bday cash and bought a navi short block and tore it down... id like to have it done before christmas this year so let's see what happens... mine will be typical like everone else's. Planing on using trickflow heads on top.instead of ported pi's building on new tube kmember to try and save total time to install and planning for possible boost later... ill be here to get help as I build here's to the swap

 

welcome sherminator.

I'd consider swapping the 4.10's for something a little less aggressive, you won't need them. Hell stock gears would be close to fine but I like 3.55 or 3.73 for the 5.4. 4.10's are going to spinnnnnnnn. With the TFS heads you'll need to factor in a SVT focus fuel pump and some 30lbs injectors. You should probably get your order in for the HPS intake manifold too (www.hiperformancesolutions.com, tell Bob I sent you). You'll also need a 2v 5.4 front cover and tensioner. Other than that it would seem you're well on your way to nearly too much fun.

 

What up I've enjoyed all your post seem to be the guru on this lol! Anyhow yeah 4.10's definately coming out... going to assy another rear with 3.27's but 31 spine set up and cobra/mach brakes to upgrade on all four corners, thinking cobra tank and twin pumps ( got friend who went to the fore triple hat setup so got that covered... and id really like a 6spd eventually so rear may get 3.55's or the 3.73's but ill most likely stay 3.27 I drive my car a lot here in houston. So what's the most anyone has put to the tire n/a I may have missed that. Not really worried about much on swap but looking to build/upgrade car instages and I'm not afraid to upgrade surrounding areas e.I. brakes and suspension first... it needs to be safe. I had a 351w fox that didn't like to stop well so I've learned from my mistakes before. =) for the most part I want to be able to just dissonect and swap in on new tublar kmember... I want to be able to give the car to my daughter in a few years so ill prob stay na and build for longevity inmind and I got a lot of ideas to make it standout too. Thanks for encouragement my wife appreciates it. Lol!

 

i have a brand new set of 04 cobra heads that have been sitting in my closet for 3 years ,for some reason i had a sick idea to put them on my lightning set up.but i have 1 question that i cant seem to find the answer to? if i put the heads on. i know im going to need a navi timing cover,but does anybody know if the lightning pulley bridge will bolt up to the navi cover? i havent located a cover yet so im not sure,my fab man is making me a custom sheetmetal intake that will work with the lightning intercooler,supercharger set up,to save me from using a cobra blower,intake,and spacers on it,im trying to pull this off with using as much of my existing hardware as possible,any advice /info anybody?

 

You have a buyer here for the heads if you ever want to sell ... AND ... if a factory 03/04 Mach-I intake will bolt up to them. THANKS !!!

 

You'd have a little bit of trouble with that. The 4v heads and cover are easy enough but the blower is a huge problem. The pulley bridge won't bolt up right, it barely bolts up right on the lightning motor. Look into a GT500 blower kit. It might just fit under your hood too and you can sell the lightning setup and 2v parts to one of the boys to fund it.

 

i thought about the gt500 setup, but from what i have been hearing,the intake ports are totally different ,the ford gt/gt 500 heads have different intake and exhaust ports,than other 4v heads, so the gt 500 inkake wont fit my heads.my fabb man is going to make me a lower sheet metal intake to match the cobra intake ports,so my lightning mid plate and blower will bolt up no problem, but im not sure about this pulley bridge ****, i have seen spacers to use a 2003 cobra blower/manifold setup on a navi motor, im having a hard time finding out how the bridge setup looks like on that swap though

 

sounds like it's time for a mock-up block.

 

Can anyone tell me if the 2003-2004 Mach I heads are the same as the 2003-2004 Cobra heads?

What differences, if any (please) ... ???

 

2003 2004 cobra and mach 1 heads are the same the only difference is in the camshafts and maybe valvetrain,im not sure about that though,being that the cobra is supercharged it may have stronger valvetrain then the mach,but as far as the head castings go they are exactly the same

 

i emailed this to hooker headers r&d department hoping somebody will get off their *** and make these headers available for future swappers hopefully somebody will capitalize on the demand of the longtubes

i am writing holley hoping that someone in product development will address a header design that no one in the aftermarket is taking advantage of,and there is a big market for these headers no matter what the guys in the office say. but first off let me remind you of the mustang heritage ,as long as the mustang has been around people have always wanted a bigger motor than what came in it,a car comes with a 302 people swapped it for a 351,car come with a 351 people swapped it for a 460,my point being people have always modified the mustangs motor in the quest of going faster,thats what makes the mustang one of the greatest cars of all times.here we are in the present day the mustang comes with the 4.6 a very nice performance motor. but just as in the past there are many people now that want the bigger motor the ford 5.4 sohc or dohc either one, are very popular with swappers,all the performance parts interchange. but there is one problem the 4.6 longtube headers will not fit, and their is no company making headers for this swap? it ashame to see custom chevy headers everywhere for chevy motors in a mustang! the 5.4 has way more of a right to be in a mustang than any chevy motor ever will. i have talked with a guy from your r&d department before ,and he said that the swap was to hard nobody is doing it,you have to modify.the fact of the matter is that there are so many people doing this swap its unreal,all you have to do is get on youtube and type in 5.4 mustang and you will begin to see what i am talking about.i am self employed in construction have never been to school for mechanics, and i swapped a 2001 ford lightning motor in my 2000 mustang in my backyard on jackstands. the swap is straight forward just as easy as putting a 4.6 in ,everything off of the 4.6 plugs right up.it is possible to do this whole swap in a day.thank you for making great headers but i know long tubes on the 5.4 would unlock some serious power please consider making headers for this application,i will be more than happy to supply you with signatures of people who have done the swap or doing it,i am heavily involved with mustang clubs,on and offline, i can assure you that the demand for these headers are way greater than holley or any other aftermarket company are aware of. so please dont turn a deaf ear to what mustang enthusiast are waiting on, thank you

 

wow nice letter. lets hope they look into it

 

been there done that. JBA backed out, Mac backed out twice, BBK balked, bassani balked, the small company I paid thousands to to make the prototypes and then sell the production models fragmented into pieces. After that myillwill took pics of mine to a shop and they actually seem to be playing ball. From what I recall they're already banging out a jig for them and they based them on my tube layout which puts them all behind the steering shaft and they'll be affordable. How badass is that. If the big boys don't want a piece of it then **** em'. Realize there's this many of us swappers here and so many dozens everywhere else that we've never even heard from... yeah it's low volume but so are tri-y's for 97 cobras and someone makes those.

 

yea i know you guys are working hard on them ,at least somebody has the ***** to step to the plate,i was reading 5.o superfords and came across headers for bbc.sbc, and they even had the nerve to say lsx engines ! lol i was down right insulted,they even said any year mustang ,any chevy engine headers in stock ready to ship!! are you kidding? when you see **** like that in a all ford magazine it almost makes you wonder what the world is coming to keep up the good work and progress on the long tubes you have my support guys

 

GREAT deal on a kickass motor combo at the corral:

http://forums.corral.net/forums/show...41#post9054841

2K + shipping for a motor with MHS stage 2 heads, 4V pistons, and Stage 3 cams

 

well after a long talk with my fab guy,we have come to the conclusion that there is nothing to it but to do it,im going 4v with the lightning blower induction setup,there will be a few custom brackets that he will need to make for me but it should be a pretty straight forward swap,heads are being ported first,here are a few mock up pics

 

GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!

FTP called today and hunters car will be done today and i will be taking it back to my house and possibly the dyno this weekend. my car will be dropped off at the same time so tj can make mine the jig. so far the headers will even fit a stock k-member, you just have to use soild motor mounts. i will take pics and possible get a drive by vid tomarrow at lunch....

 

could a pilot bearing cause a rattle that almost sounds like the transmssions steel shield is rattle i know thats not my problem.

i had put a 10 dollar pilot bearing in for the my 5.4L swap instead of buying a new clutch i did not grease it figouring it was sealed greased from factory.

i pulled the trans last week swapped out tin shields for trans from the 5.4 auto shield to 4.6 manual shield and put an entirely new clutch and throwout leaving the pilot.

i thought this would cure the rattle and of course it didnt. its a metal on metal rattle and its not the exhaust because i know its tight and rattle is loudest between the engine and trans in the middle.

 

Good
I emailed them last week but never got a respone, guess I'll call soon.
So what about a tubular K-members? I've already got poly mounts and dont really want to have to buy another set.

Does it do it all the time or does it go away when you push the clutch in? Regardless, it sounds like you're gonna have to pull it apart and take a good look at everything. Was the throwout bearing retainer ok? the clutch fork?

 

does it in gear, in neutral, clutch in. clutch out, changes with RPM and i just put everything new in clutch/pressure plate/throwout just didnt replace the Pilot cause it has less then 2k on err only thing left in there tho not brand new but i dont know if it could cause the noise or not better yet i couldnt tell how to pull it out when i was in there lol;x.

 

Well you can rent a pilot bearing puller or you can try the old trick where you fill the hole behind it with grease and try to pop it out hydraulically, with something that fits snug in the hole, like the clutch install tool.

 

you think it could be the problem? im kinda getting annoyed with putting it together and tearing it back apart this year lol ;p

 

Its kinda hard to diagnose a noise over the internet so I dont really want to say one way or the other.

 

here is the bad boys sitting on the mockup motor. as for k-member and motor mount fitment, i think only the drivers side mount hits it. you might have to ask tj.

he was going to put them on hunters cat after lunch today so i could drive it down te block and back..... WOOT!!!!!

 

dam those look so sick ,i need a pair of those so bad!!