don't know of any 'zona swappers. I'm up by San Fran. If you wanna hop a commuter flight. I'll find some time to break out the beast.

this has been the problem for me. I was working with major manufacturers. They'd all get skittish about production numbers and chicken out at the last minute. Fortunately I had gone ahead and spent thousands on the prototypes already and got fucked on that deal. Myillwill has fortunately had better luck with a smaller outfit and that sorta makes up for it since getting them made at all was my only concern.

That should be correct.

IIRC The outside of the V has the same profile for the most part below the cam covers. The 4v heads are fatter inwards toward the center of the V and use a slimmer intake manifold because of it. The outside points on the motor should be largely the same except above the exhaust ports where the cam covers are shaped a little differently than on the 2v. It's really tight though so you should drive out to Bama' and have them test fit them on your rig.

 

that sounds like a good idea. once i get finished up in about a month i might have to see if myillwill would try to work somethin out with the shop for me.

is it possible to remove and install the engine with longtubes in place?

 

from the bottom yeah... not really a problem.

 

If you guys need anything machined for the header development, let me know.

 

with a lift you can drop the k-member with the engine on it no prob.

move down here man.... the shop doing the headers is a f-body shop mainly, you and i could start a 5.4 shop and convince r3d to come be apart of the magic in bama.....



there are 5 or 6 5.4 swapped sn-95 or fox body stangs here in the birmingham area. one has the lightning blower and all, the other is a 4v with HUGE single turbo. then there is mine and sleepingGT and one other one in a fox body about to get a 88mm turbo in it.....

 

Getting ready to start this swap. Here's a little info on the car.
94 v-6 converted to 97 4.6 gt
4r70w trans
8.8 with 4.10

Going to change the rear to 3.55 first with 31 spline axles.
rebuild trans
drop in 2v 5.4

Now will the stock hood fit with the hps intake?
Also no power adder other than my foot. Do i need to upgrade anything in the motor to run na for now? (rods,pistons,bearings) 6000 rpm?

Plan is to get it running for now then build a 2v with ported heads,cams. The 4.6 i have now is getting weak so i need to get it changed quickly.Also what front cover do i need to run the setup i have now.( coils on front of motor)

 

anyone have a 5.4 hardball'r for sale? i called to order one today but i guess theyr'e 5 weeks out from a new batch

 

bad horc with HPS all will fit no problem with HPS. i would alteast upgrade the rods...and wait on pistons unless you plan to stay NA then get some good forged pistons to go with forged rods if u find a 99 and older i think 5.4 and rebuild it youll have a forged crank also ;> but rods definately if u plan on running 6k rpms alot ;> and a tune so it knows how to feed the new beast its gogo juice and if u plan on using alot of go baby go juice aka N202 definately get the forged rods/pistons i beleive the stock crank depending if steel or iron is rated either 500 or 700hp depending cast and you cant reach that NA unless on the juice ;>... front cover is unknown to me ive been looking at my 97 timing cover outa 5.4 F-150 and theres an extra pully space and all so need to wait till i get my accessories on it to know if its guna work ;>

 

Now for my question.....im reringing my 5.4 its getting hard rod bearings regular main bearings forged rods and original pistons with new rings since the engine was in great shape now when its in....


im goin from stock MAF to 80mm MAF and from 19lb injectors to 24lb plus the extra CI's the computer has to feed... how safe would it be to drive 40miles at 65mph without being hard on the car to the tuner? i cant seem to find a damn car trailer to use and ied kinda like to drive it there so breaks in a little and i know if its guna throw a rod bearing or main bearing before i get there lol cranks been polished didnt need turning and getting all new bearings so lets hope it doesnt...fun parts gona be figouring out timing ;x never liked trying to time OHCs ;> never got it right yet lol


btw this is on stock gears so 2k rpm for 40miles


btw so far blocks all painted up nice and ford blue and awaiting on all my parts to show up thursday ordered my TMD hawksracing forged rods saturday hopefully they get here this week since i saw nothing about a back order or having to wait to ship ;>

 

so are the headers ready yet? im waiting on a set of trick flow 2v heads to hit my doorstep, then the built lightning motor is going in, so i would like to put the headers on to

 

illwill is working on them. He said the jig should be done by today.

 

Here is a recent pic of my "mutt". It is being repainted in Dallas, Tx by Sewell Hummer. I have an AMAZING connection there so im having my entire Roush Stage III body kit repainted, and the once white (gel coated) cobra R hood painted. Im putting the original Mineral Grey paint back on, nothing fancy schamncy.

Next step is mid to late july, ill be heading back to Dallas for tuning finally at HPP. Ill keep yall updated as I recieve more pics.

Im not really in any hurry to get it back because im driving an '03 Cobra as "The loaner" LOL

 

If you want to just slap it in with new bearings you'll probably be ok with no power adders. 6000rpm is as high as I'd spin it and I'm not really happy about that thought with stock rods. I'd cut it off at 5500-5800 anyway as the thing runs out of steam around there anyway.

Hard bearings in the mains and the rods please.

HPS 5.4 intake will fit under a stock hood. You may need a minor clearance cut above the throttle wheel but probably not. You'll want a front cover from any 97-03 expedition or van. Pickups may work as easily but I'm not sure.

I think myillwill has his for sale...

hard main bearings are advised. I'd also prefer to see you running 30lbs injectors but 24's will do for the time being. Keep out of WOT and you can drive it on the stock tune all you like. Be nice to it, but don't treat it like it's broken. Give the engine a good warm up before you drive it the first time.

nope but myillwillinc is steadily working to get them there. I'm trying to figure out how to buy my set.

 

 

i think hes talking about the heads

 

I bought my Set of Trick Flow heads. I'm same boat. I just have to wait for them.

 

cool thanks red im using hard bearings in the rods but not the mains my budget wouldnt allow it and i need to get it put together so i can once again park vehicles in my shop instead of parking parts all in the middle prepped for reassembly ;x as for the 24lbs i got them and a 80MM MAF for 100 bucks to my door couldnt pass it up

 

im DEFINITELY interested in a set of headers if they come available for my navi swap. i have 2 quick questions, i have heard speculation about the navi cranks being forged but i havent torn mine down to confirm, does anyone know if they are from the factory? also, what size injectors should i run on this motor? it will be naturally aspirated for a little while before getting forced induction. btw, this thread-FTMFW!!

 

yea i talked with a guy at tirck flow he said 2 to 3 weeks they should be ready to ship out, he said the ported versions wouldnt be out till november, but he said total engine airflow (tea) already had a porting program in the works

 

dont hold me to this but im pretty sure navi's have forged cranks. if they dont i know they can handle almost anything you can throw at them. the rods are the weak link in our combo. i dont plan on puttin too much hp on my 4v til i get some forged pistons and rods.

 

yea, thats pretty much what i've been reading. i was gonna go through the bottom end and freshen it up a little(pistons, rods, and bearings) and if the crank is already forged and in good shape reuse it. ive seen multiple sources saying the navi motor can actually support 600 at the crank with the stock bottom end, but i rather play it safe. what size fuel injectors are u running in yours?

 

didn't the magizine put a twin turbo on a stock navi and run it to 1300hp? i remember seeing it but don't remember if it was stock or built bottom end.

 

Whats everybody getting for mileage? I've been getting about 15 and thats mostly my 5 mile commute.

 

20+ highway, significantly lower in town but I drive like a bat outta hell in town.

modular2valve: you can check the crank parting line (you can usually see a bit on the counterweights). Thin is cast steel, thick is forged steel. IIRC navi's came with cast steel cranks. They can support any power level you're likely to use on the street. Stock navi rods are stock 5.4 rods... not the best but they'll work on a NA build. 24-30lbs should be where you start with injectors depending on how you build the rest of the motor. If you're going all out then 30's, otherwise 24's are fine.

Drove the car to work today. Damn it's fun.

 

the nonPI 5.4 i had was untuned and just bolt ons. it got 12 - 15 in town depending on driving habit. and 17-20 on hwy.

 

im going to be running 30 pounders on mine. bc i plan on sprayin it every now and then. i might just put a supercharger on it and run low boost. but ill need bigger than 30 if i do that. but 30's are where ill stay while im still N/A

btw i tried callin karkraft numerous times yesterday to purchase my engine, one of their new navi shortblocks, but i couldnt get a hold of them so i ended up finding a navi shortblock with 60,000 on the clock for $500 that im buying in 30 min im excited. now i just have to wait for my damn intake to get back from mmr. they have had it for 3 weeks now

 

sweeet news johnny!

Everyone go and vote please: http://forums.corral.net/forums/show....php?t=1122881 I think you'll understand why. Please feel free to tell them how many of us there are now and that they should pay attention to the 5.4 market.

 

rear fuel system done, next the front.....

 

lookin really good there.

 

sweet, thanks for the responses guys. hey johnny, are u getting an intake stretched? i was thinking about running the kar kraft adapers and the n/a cobra intake. thats a real good deal for a navi motor, i got mine for 700 dollars, low mileage 2004.