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singlesupra · 01-06-2008, 01:35 AM

Woohoo. fired the car up tonight yay!
I took a few pics, Ill have to upload them tomm. I primed it for about 30 seconds, plugged the injectors back in(there may be a fuse you can pull to keep it from firing, but I didnt even look) and she fired right up. I dont even beleave the starter made a full revolution before it roared to life. Got a few things left to finish(exhaust, couple nuts that need tightening but I am just glad its running.

r3dn3ck · 01-06-2008, 09:09 AM

it's a little over .020 over bore. Stock is 3.551, .020 would be 3.571. Looks to be about .0035 over spec which isn't really far (would be fine for forged pistons) but I'd go ahead and have it bored the extra .010 for a total of .030 over or 3.581.

Don't trip though, you actually saved yourself some money. Pistons need to be bought before the machining is done so that the cylinders can be bored to have the proper clearances. Even if it's not where you want it, if you haven't bought your pistons yet just buy some .030 over slugs and send the pistons and the block to your machinist and have him torque plate bore and hone it for .030 over.

r3dn3ck · 01-06-2008, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by singlesupra

Woohoo. fired the car up tonight yay!
I took a few pics, Ill have to upload them tomm. I primed it for about 30 seconds, plugged the injectors back in(there may be a fuse you can pull to keep it from firing, but I didnt even look) and she fired right up. I dont even beleave the starter made a full revolution before it roared to life. Got a few things left to finish(exhaust, couple nuts that need tightening but I am just glad its running.

the MAN! W00t. Great work. Can't wait to see the pics and hear some running.

shakin_bakin · 01-06-2008, 03:47 PM

umm well pistons are bought, and block is on the way...

shakin_bakin · 01-06-2008, 06:30 PM

so im fucked i guess arent i....

tire · 01-07-2008, 09:29 AM

any word yet if anyone has tried a 2005 3v 5.4 swap into a 99-04?

i am still getting all the parts i need, but i am progressing. i am focusing on fixing the car as it was in a bad accident and i'm getting it ready for paint right now. i might post pics of the motor later.

austin

singlesupra · 01-07-2008, 09:47 AM

Not sure on the 2005 part, but a guy here(look back at the last few pages he has posted, and its in his sig) has done a 4.6 3v or maybe it was a stroker 4.6? Put up damn good numbers I thought.

r3dn3ck · 01-07-2008, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shakin_bakin

so im fucked i guess arent i....

what size pistons did you buy?

and tire, it's actually pretty easy to do a 3v into a 99-04 nowadays. You have to delete the cam phasers and figure out an intake though. Upside being you should end up able to use the new longtubes that are coming out for the 2v cars. Score! Start picking up the parts and get to it.

The intake will be an issue early on but I think it should be pretty easy to get a 3v adapter plate made while I nag HPS to make the 3v version of the 5.4 hardball'r. I'd like to see if the 3v version can peak tq up at 4800rpm so we can spin the 3v 5.4's up higher.

Assassinator, I need some help from you to get the 3v runner length and size nailed down and run some cam thoughts by you. PM me your digits when you have a sec.

shakin_bakin · 01-07-2008, 11:14 AM

i asked Jim from VT witch is now http://www.cushmanmotorsports.com/
he is on his own now... he said that it was correct...
i bought .2 over

r3dn3ck · 01-07-2008, 12:01 PM

you're good to go then. That's a chap you can trust.

shakin_bakin · 01-07-2008, 12:52 PM

that was like music to my ears... lol he said its not off by much... and its normal to be off a lil bit once i get the pistons and rings seated that it wont matter....

assasinator · 01-07-2008, 04:44 PM

there is a fellow i tlked through it in california. 5.4 3v.

singlesupra · 01-07-2008, 05:45 PM

UPDATE:
Sorry, still havnt uploaded the pics.
I had to order a new quadrant today, the spec 2 had JUST slightly more peddle pressure and stripped the self adjuster teeth. I went ahead and got a steeda cable, quadrant and firewall adjuster. Sucks, but shouldnt have anymore clutch issues.

However, ever since I bought this car back(bought it back blown up) the new battery went dead after a few days of letting the engine run while troubleshooting the engine. Had the battery checked then and it was "fine". Then last night after letting the car warm all the way up again, turned it off and it was VERY sluggish starting. I am hoping just the alt is/has gone south and the engine running is what is draining the battery. Anyway, gotta work a lot the next 2 days, but should still be able to get the new parts in and hopefully carry it for a quick spin in a day or so.

FWIW, the car runs VERY rich at idle, good thing I didnt swap in the 24's LOL.
Oh and DAMN do these things rev fast. A simple blip of the throttle sends the tach needle to damn near 5K!

shakin_bakin · 01-07-2008, 07:57 PM

nice grats man !!!

r3dn3ck · 01-08-2008, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by assasinator

there is a fellow i tlked through it in california. 5.4 3v.

Can you see if you can get me in touch with him.

Single, killer work man. Pics pics pics

singlesupra · 01-08-2008, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

Single, killer work man. Pics pics pics

Really not much to see, looks just like a stock 4.6 to me LOL. But, pics are coming, possibly tonight when I get off maybe

myillwillinc · 01-09-2008, 12:10 PM

anyone of you guys wired up a MSD Dis-4 to a mod motor before? i just wanted to know if there are any tips i need to know first.

assasinator · 01-09-2008, 05:11 PM

i will send him an e-mail and see if he minds giving out his number. -b

assasinator · 01-09-2008, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by ShadyJ13
hey I am doing a 5.4 3v swap and had some questions. if you wouldn't mind giving me a call my mechanic and I would really appreciate it.

Jeremy

he is shadyj13 on stangnet.

i talked his mechanic through the small details it took.

singlesupra · 01-09-2008, 05:33 PM

Another update damnit

The small issue with the clutch is turning out to be a royal PITA. The adj cable, quadrant and firewall adj didnt do squat, still not dissengaging fully. I am going to have a buddy come by tonight and push the clutch in for me so I can verify all is well on that end before removing the trans to see what the damn problem is. Ive done 30+ clutch changes and NEVER had a single problem. Guess you do it enough and your eventually gonna find one to mess with your head.

On a side note, the rings should be seated and the car should be ready to beat on when it comes out. And, Oh my the engine is QUIET and SMOOTH running, much smoother and quieter than the 4.6 ever was even when new. I can not wait(although I guess I have no choice) to drive this damn thing!

Blitzmann · 01-10-2008, 05:00 AM

What are my options for a 5.4 4valve timing cover?

myillwillinc · 01-10-2008, 07:19 AM

what do u mean 'options'?

r3dn3ck · 01-10-2008, 07:53 AM

you can use the navigator cover and that's about it for 4v. There's no part number you can order for the 2000 R' cover, which is just a navigator cover anyway. Everything will bolt up just like it used to with the 4.6. Your belt routing will change but it's no big deal. I'm sure we can help you find a routing diagram if needed. Make sure you get the correct tensioner with the cover.

r3dn3ck · 01-10-2008, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by singlesupra

Another update damnit

The small issue with the clutch is turning out to be a royal PITA. The adj cable, quadrant and firewall adj didnt do squat, still not dissengaging fully. I am going to have a buddy come by tonig

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01-06-2008, 09:09 AM	#3362 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,834	it's a little over .020 over bore. Stock is 3.551, .020 would be 3.571. Looks to be about .0035 over spec which isn't really far (would be fine for forged pistons) but I'd go ahead and have it bored the extra .010 for a total of .030 over or 3.581. Don't trip though, you actually saved yourself some money. Pistons need to be bought before the machining is done so that the cylinders can be bored to have the proper clearances. Even if it's not where you want it, if you haven't bought your pistons yet just buy some .030 over slugs and send the pistons and the block to your machinist and have him torque plate bore and hone it for .030 over. __________________ Built 5.5L 2v and Maximum Motorsports Max Grip box. www.squarerootofone.com My CarDomain Page

01-07-2008, 12:01 PM	#3370 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,834	you're good to go then. That's a chap you can trust. __________________ Built 5.5L 2v and Maximum Motorsports Max Grip box. www.squarerootofone.com My CarDomain Page

01-07-2008, 04:44 PM	#3372 (permalink)
assasinator Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 106	there is a fellow i tlked through it in california. 5.4 3v. __________________ 1996 GT/ 2005 5.4 3v ____________________ CMC plates delete altered stock intake twin 57mm throttle body march pullies 160* t-stat custom 80mm C&L maf K&N best:1/8th 8.58 @ 81.49 = 277 rwhp/340 rwtq.

01-09-2008, 12:10 PM	#3377 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 610	anyone of you guys wired up a MSD Dis-4 to a mod motor before? i just wanted to know if there are any tips i need to know first. __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/

01-06-2008, 01:35 AM	#3361 (permalink)
singlesupra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 245	Woohoo. fired the car up tonight yay! I took a few pics, Ill have to upload them tomm. I primed it for about 30 seconds, plugged the injectors back in(there may be a fuse you can pull to keep it from firing, but I didnt even look) and she fired right up. I dont even beleave the starter made a full revolution before it roared to life. Got a few things left to finish(exhaust, couple nuts that need tightening but I am just glad its running.

01-06-2008, 03:47 PM	#3364 (permalink)
shakin_bakin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 160	umm well pistons are bought, and block is on the way...

01-06-2008, 06:30 PM	#3365 (permalink)
shakin_bakin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 160	so im fucked i guess arent i....

01-07-2008, 09:29 AM	#3366 (permalink)
tire Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4	any word yet if anyone has tried a 2005 3v 5.4 swap into a 99-04? i am still getting all the parts i need, but i am progressing. i am focusing on fixing the car as it was in a bad accident and i'm getting it ready for paint right now. i might post pics of the motor later. austin

01-07-2008, 09:47 AM	#3367 (permalink)
singlesupra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 245	Not sure on the 2005 part, but a guy here(look back at the last few pages he has posted, and its in his sig) has done a 4.6 3v or maybe it was a stroker 4.6? Put up damn good numbers I thought.

01-07-2008, 11:14 AM	#3369 (permalink)
shakin_bakin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 160	i asked Jim from VT witch is now http://www.cushmanmotorsports.com/ he is on his own now... he said that it was correct... i bought .2 over

01-07-2008, 12:52 PM	#3371 (permalink)
shakin_bakin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 160	that was like music to my ears... lol he said its not off by much... and its normal to be off a lil bit once i get the pistons and rings seated that it wont matter....

01-07-2008, 05:45 PM	#3373 (permalink)
singlesupra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 245	UPDATE: Sorry, still havnt uploaded the pics. I had to order a new quadrant today, the spec 2 had JUST slightly more peddle pressure and stripped the self adjuster teeth. I went ahead and got a steeda cable, quadrant and firewall adjuster. Sucks, but shouldnt have anymore clutch issues. However, ever since I bought this car back(bought it back blown up) the new battery went dead after a few days of letting the engine run while troubleshooting the engine. Had the battery checked then and it was "fine". Then last night after letting the car warm all the way up again, turned it off and it was VERY sluggish starting. I am hoping just the alt is/has gone south and the engine running is what is draining the battery. Anyway, gotta work a lot the next 2 days, but should still be able to get the new parts in and hopefully carry it for a quick spin in a day or so. FWIW, the car runs VERY rich at idle, good thing I didnt swap in the 24's LOL. Oh and DAMN do these things rev fast. A simple blip of the throttle sends the tach needle to damn near 5K!

01-07-2008, 07:57 PM	#3374 (permalink)
shakin_bakin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 160	nice grats man !!!

01-09-2008, 05:11 PM	#3378 (permalink)
assasinator Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 106	i will send him an e-mail and see if he minds giving out his number. -b __________________ 1996 GT/ 2005 5.4 3v ____________________ CMC plates delete altered stock intake twin 57mm throttle body march pullies 160* t-stat custom 80mm C&L maf K&N best:1/8th 8.58 @ 81.49 = 277 rwhp/340 rwtq.

01-09-2008, 05:17 PM	#3379 (permalink)
assasinator Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 106	Originally Posted by ShadyJ13 hey I am doing a 5.4 3v swap and had some questions. if you wouldn't mind giving me a call my mechanic and I would really appreciate it. Jeremy he is shadyj13 on stangnet. i talked his mechanic through the small details it took. __________________ 1996 GT/ 2005 5.4 3v ____________________ CMC plates delete altered stock intake twin 57mm throttle body march pullies 160* t-stat custom 80mm C&L maf K&N best:1/8th 8.58 @ 81.49 = 277 rwhp/340 rwtq.

01-09-2008, 05:33 PM	#3380 (permalink)
singlesupra Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 245	Another update damnit The small issue with the clutch is turning out to be a royal PITA. The adj cable, quadrant and firewall adj didnt do squat, still not dissengaging fully. I am going to have a buddy come by tonight and push the clutch in for me so I can verify all is well on that end before removing the trans to see what the damn problem is. Ive done 30+ clutch changes and NEVER had a single problem. Guess you do it enough and your eventually gonna find one to mess with your head. On a side note, the rings should be seated and the car should be ready to beat on when it comes out. And, Oh my the engine is QUIET and SMOOTH running, much smoother and quieter than the 4.6 ever was even when new. I can not wait(although I guess I have no choice) to drive this damn thing!

01-10-2008, 05:00 AM	#3381 (permalink)
Blitzmann Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 102	What are my options for a 5.4 4valve timing cover?

01-10-2008, 07:19 AM	#3382 (permalink)
myillwillinc Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 610	what do u mean 'options'? __________________ 5.4 project in progress linky-> http://www.illwillinc.com/97mustang.htm T-Rods Coatings - Custom all the way.... http://www.illwillinc.com/

01-10-2008, 07:53 AM	#3383 (permalink)
r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 6,834	you can use the navigator cover and that's about it for 4v. There's no part number you can order for the 2000 R' cover, which is just a navigator cover anyway. Everything will bolt up just like it used to with the 4.6. Your belt routing will change but it's no big deal. I'm sure we can help you find a routing diagram if needed. Make sure you get the correct tensioner with the cover. __________________ Built 5.5L 2v and Maximum Motorsports Max Grip box. www.squarerootofone.com My CarDomain Page