Which Heads ??

97stanger · 01-30-2006, 07:19 AM

My non-PI 97 GT has basically every bolt on you can do. My next step i want to take is heads/intake/cams. I think I am going to go with that new Typhoon intake coming out and get that polished. I am definately going to go with some VT stage 1 cams. The question is now which kind of heads should i go with?? I am going to get the heads p&p as well, but i'm not sure which heads I should go with?? I'm sure you guys can help me out and lead me in the right direction...thanks

whitethunder46 · 01-30-2006, 07:36 AM

I've looked a lot into this as well. Patriot performance heads seem good and well priced, but have gotten A LOT of complaints about fitment problems. Foxlake racing has some good ones as well. My personal faorite are the custom miles per hour heads from tim at MPH http://modularpowerhouse.com/product...f275a9a6106e59
Just remember you get what you pay for. These also have some of the best flow ratings out there.
As far as intake goes it sounded like you knew which one you were getting, but I've heard good things of the P-51, although ugly, and also won't fit under stock hood with out a small hole.
I would get VT cams as well, but why not the stage 2? You said you already have all the bolt on's and if u get more air flow with the heads and intake I would think the Stage 2's will help even more.

97stanger · 01-30-2006, 05:31 PM

yeah i was thinking about that...but i'd need to get a stall convertor...and that would run another 600-700$?? so i figured why not just get the stage 1's and not worry about doing the convertor. I should still get some nice gains. Also, any thoughts on that typhoon intake coming out that i am looking into getting??

97stanger · 01-30-2006, 05:35 PM

also, i found these kind of heads which have some very impressive numbers. 220-intake and 195-exhaust

...the only thing is i've never ever heard of this company...check it out and let me know your thoughts

http://www.injectedracing.com/html/Engine_kits.htm

whitethunder46 · 01-30-2006, 07:36 PM

miles per hour heads are 235 intake and 202 exhaust. Personally with something as big as heads I wouldn't want to get anything I haven't heard of before. If you do your research on that company and like what you read than I'm sure there's nothing wrong with them. Personally I wouldn't consider anything else than MPH. Also I think they have the best flow numbers, not going into full race heads.

Is the typhoon intake that new one that looks just like stock but made out of aluminum or some type of metal? There's a lot of these coming out but I'm a little skeptical on how well they perform until I see some hard core numbers. And with you this should be especially thought of since you're gonna be having some good air flow with your set up.

97stanger · 01-31-2006, 04:45 AM

yes, thats right. It is the intake that looks kinda stock but supposedly gives like 23 rwhp. If i were to go with miles per hour stage 2 1/2 heads...what would be the best matching intake to go with?? I was going to go with the p-51 but i was skeptical because way too many people have even lost hp with going with this??

whitethunder46 · 01-31-2006, 07:52 AM

I've always heard good things. But if you've heard that it doesn't give good numbers than yea, don't get it. Thanks for that info. Honestly the safest bet to go with is just to get a ported Bullit intake. you know it'll give good numbers and so on. But with this you'll also have to get an oval throttle body and new CAI. In my mind this is the best choice. Second would be that Typhoon. At least with the typhoon you shouldn't lose power since it's the same design. And since it's aluminum or whatever I think it's ported or you can get it ported which would just add more air flow. The question is how much more air flow.

97stanger · 01-31-2006, 08:18 AM

Thanks a lot for the help whitethunder...youve been really useful for me. I have one last question though. As things are looking, I am probably going to end up going with the miles per hour 2 1/2 heads with the typhoon intake. Now, what cams would best suit this? I would love to do vt stage 2's...but since i have an auto i know it says that these cams are recommended with a certain stall. I dont really feel like dishing out hundreds more the way it is just for a stall convertor. Any input would be helpful...

*Randy Stinchcomb* · 01-31-2006, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 97stanger

My non-PI 97 GT has basically every bolt on you can do. My next step i want to take is heads/intake/cams. I think I am going to go with that new Typhoon intake coming out and get that polished. I am definately going to go with some VT stage 1 cams. The question is now which kind of heads should i go with?? I am going to get the heads p&p as well, but i'm not sure which heads I should go with?? I'm sure you guys can help me out and lead me in the right direction...thanks

Jason Steen @ Steen Racing in Norfolk has made outstanding gains wth the Non-Pi heads (and other modular cyl heads aswell) so you might want to talk to him, 757-480-7223 or www.SteenRacing.com
most of the top running modulars in the world have Steen Racing heads on there cars, including mine

97stanger · 01-31-2006, 08:30 AM

Or maybe another route i could go with the intake is to just get a PI intake and have that ported and polished?? That should make some good numbers with the miles per hour 2.5 heads right??

whitethunder46 · 01-31-2006, 11:20 AM

Well you cant really port and polish the PI intake considering it's made of plastic, lol. But this is basically what you're with that typhoon intake. Then you can port that out if you want to for an extra cost.

As far as cams. VT Stage 1 would be fine to go with. The stage 2's just would give you a little more power I'm going to guess up in the higher RPMS, which is why these would be more aggressive. Also with the stage 2's you're leaving room to grow, as in with maybe a power adder or nitrous down the road. With the stage 1 cams they're meant more so for N/A only. Don't get me wrong, you can still do a power adder, but the Stage 2's are much better for this. You also might want to talk to Tim at miles per hour I believe he can grind custom cams for your application.

Also with going this route and not staying Non-PI you're kinda rebuilding your engine and somewhat making it newer again. If you did a shortblock you would have basically a brand new engine with 0 miles

97stanger · 01-31-2006, 11:40 AM

thanks again white thunder...your knowledge has really helped me decide on which package to go with

All in all here is what i have decided to go with for the complete package

miles per hour stage 2.5 heads
Typhoon Intake (coming soon) (ported and polished)
VT stage 1 cams

I'll keep you guys updated on how this is going...thanks again!!

01-30-2006, 07:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	Which Heads ?? My non-PI 97 GT has basically every bolt on you can do. My next step i want to take is heads/intake/cams. I think I am going to go with that new Typhoon intake coming out and get that polished. I am definately going to go with some VT stage 1 cams. The question is now which kind of heads should i go with?? I am going to get the heads p&p as well, but i'm not sure which heads I should go with?? I'm sure you guys can help me out and lead me in the right direction...thanks __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

01-30-2006, 07:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	I've looked a lot into this as well. Patriot performance heads seem good and well priced, but have gotten A LOT of complaints about fitment problems. Foxlake racing has some good ones as well. My personal faorite are the custom miles per hour heads from tim at MPH http://modularpowerhouse.com/product...f275a9a6106e59 Just remember you get what you pay for. These also have some of the best flow ratings out there. As far as intake goes it sounded like you knew which one you were getting, but I've heard good things of the P-51, although ugly, and also won't fit under stock hood with out a small hole. I would get VT cams as well, but why not the stage 2? You said you already have all the bolt on's and if u get more air flow with the heads and intake I would think the Stage 2's will help even more. __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

01-30-2006, 05:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	yeah i was thinking about that...but i'd need to get a stall convertor...and that would run another 600-700$?? so i figured why not just get the stage 1's and not worry about doing the convertor. I should still get some nice gains. Also, any thoughts on that typhoon intake coming out that i am looking into getting?? __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

01-30-2006, 05:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	also, i found these kind of heads which have some very impressive numbers. 220-intake and 195-exhaust ...the only thing is i've never ever heard of this company...check it out and let me know your thoughts http://www.injectedracing.com/html/Engine_kits.htm __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

01-30-2006, 07:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	miles per hour heads are 235 intake and 202 exhaust. Personally with something as big as heads I wouldn't want to get anything I haven't heard of before. If you do your research on that company and like what you read than I'm sure there's nothing wrong with them. Personally I wouldn't consider anything else than MPH. Also I think they have the best flow numbers, not going into full race heads. Is the typhoon intake that new one that looks just like stock but made out of aluminum or some type of metal? There's a lot of these coming out but I'm a little skeptical on how well they perform until I see some hard core numbers. And with you this should be especially thought of since you're gonna be having some good air flow with your set up. __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

01-31-2006, 04:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	yes, thats right. It is the intake that looks kinda stock but supposedly gives like 23 rwhp. If i were to go with miles per hour stage 2 1/2 heads...what would be the best matching intake to go with?? I was going to go with the p-51 but i was skeptical because way too many people have even lost hp with going with this?? __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

01-31-2006, 07:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	I've always heard good things. But if you've heard that it doesn't give good numbers than yea, don't get it. Thanks for that info. Honestly the safest bet to go with is just to get a ported Bullit intake. you know it'll give good numbers and so on. But with this you'll also have to get an oval throttle body and new CAI. In my mind this is the best choice. Second would be that Typhoon. At least with the typhoon you shouldn't lose power since it's the same design. And since it's aluminum or whatever I think it's ported or you can get it ported which would just add more air flow. The question is how much more air flow. __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

01-31-2006, 08:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	Thanks a lot for the help whitethunder...youve been really useful for me. I have one last question though. As things are looking, I am probably going to end up going with the miles per hour 2 1/2 heads with the typhoon intake. Now, what cams would best suit this? I would love to do vt stage 2's...but since i have an auto i know it says that these cams are recommended with a certain stall. I dont really feel like dishing out hundreds more the way it is just for a stall convertor. Any input would be helpful... __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

01-31-2006, 08:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	Or maybe another route i could go with the intake is to just get a PI intake and have that ported and polished?? That should make some good numbers with the miles per hour 2.5 heads right?? __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

01-31-2006, 11:20 AM	#11 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	Well you cant really port and polish the PI intake considering it's made of plastic, lol. But this is basically what you're with that typhoon intake. Then you can port that out if you want to for an extra cost. As far as cams. VT Stage 1 would be fine to go with. The stage 2's just would give you a little more power I'm going to guess up in the higher RPMS, which is why these would be more aggressive. Also with the stage 2's you're leaving room to grow, as in with maybe a power adder or nitrous down the road. With the stage 1 cams they're meant more so for N/A only. Don't get me wrong, you can still do a power adder, but the Stage 2's are much better for this. You also might want to talk to Tim at miles per hour I believe he can grind custom cams for your application. Also with going this route and not staying Non-PI you're kinda rebuilding your engine and somewhat making it newer again. If you did a shortblock you would have basically a brand new engine with 0 miles __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

01-31-2006, 11:40 AM	#12 (permalink)
97stanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 498	thanks again white thunder...your knowledge has really helped me decide on which package to go with All in all here is what i have decided to go with for the complete package miles per hour stage 2.5 heads Typhoon Intake (coming soon) (ported and polished) VT stage 1 cams I'll keep you guys updated on how this is going...thanks again!! __________________ Blown stock AODE tranny...Built racing auto tranny with 3500-3800 converter coming soon.

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