Stage 2 N/A Cams -= CSLEDD!

whitethunder46 · 03-24-2006, 06:54 PM

Ok, first off, CSledd if your round here I'm sure you can help out since I know you're doing this. Also we have similar cars with the exhaust set up.

Anyways, I was talking with my tuner today and instead of diong 75mmTB/Plenum, JLT RAI, Saleen U/D pulleys, (which would be approximately 950) I might just do cams.

If I do stage 2 N/A cams what else do I need to get and any companies recommended?

Do i need valves? springs? rockers???? all the little things.
I'm thinking VT stage 2, but thats yet to be determined.

With my mods (full exhaust, bbk cai, and will have it tuned afterwards) what kinda of gains would I see to the wheels? Remember I am an auto.

RedFirevert04GT · 03-24-2006, 09:51 PM

$950 for THOSE mods is outrageous. You can do the CAI, TB and plenum yourself in about an hour in your driveway with nothing more than a screwdriver and 5/16 wrench or socket. I've never done U/D pulleys but I know Steeda's aren't that incredibly expensive and I can't see them taking more than 2 hours to put on unless you don't have the right tools. You can get a brand new JLT for $200, FRPP TB & Plenum for right about $300 and I think the U/D pulleys are $150ish. If your tuner quoted you that much for that work, I'd be looking for another tuner because he's charging some ridiculous rates.

For the VT stage 2's and also for Comp 262's and higher valve springs are at least strongly recommended, there's no point in not doing them since you're already going to be under the valve covers anyway. Rockers are always something to at least consider when changing cams, but don't go outrageous on the ratio, remember piston to valve clearance isn't that great on these motors from the factory.

whitethunder46 · 03-24-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RedFirevert04GT

$950 for THOSE mods is outrageous. You can do the CAI, TB and plenum yourself in about an hour in your driveway with nothing more than a screwdriver and 5/16 wrench or socket. I've never done U/D pulleys but I know Steeda's aren't that incredibly expensive and I can't see them taking more than 2 hours to put on unless you don't have the right tools. You can get a brand new JLT for $200, FRPP TB & Plenum for right about $300 and I think the U/D pulleys are $150ish. If your tuner quoted you that much for that work, I'd be looking for another tuner because he's charging some ridiculous rates.

For the VT stage 2's and also for Comp 262's and higher valve springs are at least strongly recommended, there's no point in not doing them since you're already going to be under the valve covers anyway. Rockers are always something to at least consider when changing cams, but don't go outrageous on the ratio, remember piston to valve clearance isn't that great on these motors from the factory.

The rates I came up with myself
75mm Accufab Tb/Plenum: 430
SALEEN U/D pulleys: 240
JLT RAI custom paint to white: 180
COST: 850 all installed myself. The only thing I would have installed if I couldnt would be the pulleys, so for safe betting we'll say thats 50 bux for a total of 900 dollars. So I was close.

With an experienced installer with 4.6 engines, how long would it take someone to swap out cam and valve springs? (doing it right, taking time, etc)

blackstallion · 03-24-2006, 10:23 PM

I was quoted 5.5hours for my 02 from a very good shop in my area... depends on what year car you have though if i can remember right 99-2000 4.6's have pressed on timing pullies which means that the whole front timing cover would have to be removed and bump the time up to 9 hours...I also work at a small shop and looked the time on Alldata and for my 02 the listed time is 7 hours i beleive so.... look to spend a decent amount on labor and a tune.

whitethunder46 · 03-24-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackstallion

I was quoted 5.5hours for my 02 from a very good shop in my area... depends on what year car you have though if i can remember right 99-2000 4.6's have pressed on timing pullies which means that the whole front timing cover would have to be removed and bump the time up to 9 hours...I also work at a small shop and looked the time on Alldata and for my 02 the listed time is 7 hours i beleive so.... look to spend a decent amount on labor and a tune.

Well I got free tunes on the car, so thats not a problem

I guess plan on about 400 for install then

matrixpuba · 03-25-2006, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by whitethunder46

Ok, first off, CSledd if your round here I'm sure you can help out since I know you're doing this. Also we have similar cars with the exhaust set up.

Anyways, I was talking with my tuner today and instead of diong 75mmTB/Plenum, JLT RAI, Saleen U/D pulleys, (which would be approximately 950) I might just do cams.

If I do stage 2 N/A cams what else do I need to get and any companies recommended?

Do i need valves? springs? rockers???? all the little things.
I'm thinking VT stage 2, but thats yet to be determined.

With my mods (full exhaust, bbk cai, and will have it tuned afterwards) what kinda of gains would I see to the wheels? Remember I am an auto.

a local guy with a 02 gt 5 speed with 75mm accufab tb and plenum, ud pullies, jlt cai, vt stage 2 cams and comp springs, bbk long tubes, dr. gas or x pipe, flowmaster catback and a tune was 307hp and i dont remember the tq numbers

whitethunder46 · 03-25-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by matrixpuba

a local guy with a 02 gt 5 speed with 75mm accufab tb and plenum, ud pullies, jlt cai, vt stage 2 cams and comp springs, bbk long tubes, dr. gas or x pipe, flowmaster catback and a tune was 307hp and i dont remember the tq numbers

If I did all that I would hope for 285RWHP, I'm an auto.

*03gtmustang* · 03-25-2006, 11:13 AM

Im at 262rwhp 281rwtq SAE. Thats also with a high stall and 4.10's. Well see what my #'s are after my retune by Ed Clark in May.

whitethunder46 · 03-25-2006, 11:17 AM

Ok, after doing some looking, I might just go with Stage 1.

Reasons:
1.) They say you need a 2800 stall or higher
2.) Need springs (which isnt a problem, just extra money)
3.) I wasn't to fond of the rough idle. I heard a clip at idle that was supposedly stock, and didnt care for it.

I think the Stage 1 N/A would be good for me, add some power, not that rough idle, wont need new springs, and also can be used with stock stall.

03gtmustang..... You got any vids with ur cams?

shad0ws · 03-25-2006, 11:20 AM

the lope is what makes the stage 2's so nice!!!

GET THE STAGE 2'S!!!!

plus a stall is always a good thing for an auto, i'm sure you would enjoy that too

whitethunder46 · 03-25-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by shad0wsGT

the lope is what makes the stage 2's so nice!!!

GET THE STAGE 2'S!!!!

plus a stall is always a good thing for an auto, i'm sure you would enjoy that too

The thing is my car is my daily, and will be for the next 2-3 years. I don't want that super radical lopey sound. I mean I do, just not radical.

The stage 1s are becoming more and more promising. I'm anxious to see how CSledd's car sounds.

I probably will have to hold up on the stall for now, too many other things going on.

B-rett · 03-25-2006, 11:41 AM

Dont mean 2 steal the thread but i think i want to go same route but i dont know a lot about cams

can someone tell how much it would cost for all parts needed for stage 1 and stage 2 so i can compare also how much to get it installed and tuned
thank you i kno i suck at life

matrixpuba · 03-25-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by B-rett

Dont mean 2 steal the thread but i think i want to go same route but i dont know a lot about cams

can someone tell how much it would cost for all parts needed for stage 1 and stage 2 so i can compare also how much to get it installed and tuned
thank you i kno i suck at life

$595for the cams(stage 1 or 2 is the same price) springs are $180(only needed if you run the stage 2's . might need a camgear kit depending on the year of the car. then you can add install and tune

RedFirevert04GT · 03-25-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by whitethunder46

The rates I came up with myself
75mm Accufab Tb/Plenum: 430
SALEEN U/D pulleys: 240
JLT RAI custom paint to white: 180
COST: 850 all installed myself. The only thing I would have installed if I couldnt would be the pulleys, so for safe betting we'll say thats 50 bux for a total of 900 dollars. So I was close.

With an experienced installer with 4.6 engines, how long would it take someone to swap out cam and valve springs? (doing it right, taking time, etc)

Man for $130 less you can get a BBK 75mm & C&L plenum.
http://www.rpmoutlet.com/musv8asp.htm

whitethunder46 · 03-25-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RedFirevert04GT

Man for $130 less you can get a BBK 75mm & C&L plenum.
http://www.rpmoutlet.com/musv8asp.htm

The car is being turned into a show car. When cams are done I'm getting custom valve covers painted white. I want the accufab for the show and the polished finish. Also Accufab I know I won't have problems with, I've heard of slight problems with BBK (although rare).

As far as stage one cams I think I can have them purchases and installed for under 1K. Hopefully with a tune I should be around 260-265RWHP. Add on the Tb/Plenum, and JLT RAI maybe maybe 275RWHP. Not bad for an auto.

spike_africa · 03-25-2006, 03:45 PM

what problem could a plenum create.

whitethunder46 · 03-25-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by spike_africa

what problem could a plenum create.

Not the plenum, the TB.

Im not saying I wouldnt get it, I would jump on them both in a heartbeat, I think BBK makes very solid parts overall.

It's just for my application/goals I want the look of the polished finish.

*03gtmustang* · 03-25-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by whitethunder46

Ok, after doing some looking, I might just go with Stage 1.

Reasons:
1.) They say you need a 2800 stall or higher
2.) Need springs (which isnt a problem, just extra money)
3.) I wasn't to fond of the rough idle. I heard a clip at idle that was supposedly stock, and didnt care for it.

I think the Stage 1 N/A would be good for me, add some power, not that rough idle, wont need new springs, and also can be used with stock stall.

03gtmustang..... You got any vids with ur cams?

Check out my site for some clips, www.dndgarage.net. The idle really isnt that rough, I love it. Mine is a DD and I dont really have any complaints. I also have a 3500 stall.

whitethunder46 · 03-25-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 03gtmustang

Check out my site for some clips, www.dndgarage.net. The idle really isnt that rough, I love it. Mine is a DD and I dont really have any complaints. I also have a 3500 stall.

Yea, I was searching around the internet and actually found a clip of your car from long time ago when you first got them. It's still a little rough for my taste I think.

I just think its gonna be more reasonable for me to get the stage 1's. I won't need new springs and the stock stall will be fine.

Between the stage 1s and 2s with a stock stall I dont think there is a big enough difference in power for me to go ahead with the 2's.

*03gtmustang* · 03-25-2006, 05:24 PM

Either one will be a good choice and should give you about 20rwhp including a tune. The main difference between the two is the idle.

03-24-2006, 06:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	Stage 2 N/A Cams -= CSLEDD! Ok, first off, CSledd if your round here I'm sure you can help out since I know you're doing this. Also we have similar cars with the exhaust set up. Anyways, I was talking with my tuner today and instead of diong 75mmTB/Plenum, JLT RAI, Saleen U/D pulleys, (which would be approximately 950) I might just do cams. If I do stage 2 N/A cams what else do I need to get and any companies recommended? Do i need valves? springs? rockers???? all the little things. I'm thinking VT stage 2, but thats yet to be determined. With my mods (full exhaust, bbk cai, and will have it tuned afterwards) what kinda of gains would I see to the wheels? Remember I am an auto. __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

03-24-2006, 09:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
RedFirevert04GT Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Va Beach, Va Posts: 336	$950 for THOSE mods is outrageous. You can do the CAI, TB and plenum yourself in about an hour in your driveway with nothing more than a screwdriver and 5/16 wrench or socket. I've never done U/D pulleys but I know Steeda's aren't that incredibly expensive and I can't see them taking more than 2 hours to put on unless you don't have the right tools. You can get a brand new JLT for $200, FRPP TB & Plenum for right about $300 and I think the U/D pulleys are $150ish. If your tuner quoted you that much for that work, I'd be looking for another tuner because he's charging some ridiculous rates. For the VT stage 2's and also for Comp 262's and higher valve springs are at least strongly recommended, there's no point in not doing them since you're already going to be under the valve covers anyway. Rockers are always something to at least consider when changing cams, but don't go outrageous on the ratio, remember piston to valve clearance isn't that great on these motors from the factory. __________________ '04 Red Fire vert. KB 1.7L intercooled 9lb with all the trimmin's & Big Boost kit w/ Switch Chip. Mac catted h-pipe & Mac catback. 411RWHP / 414 RWTQ.

03-24-2006, 10:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
blackstallion Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 184	I was quoted 5.5hours for my 02 from a very good shop in my area... depends on what year car you have though if i can remember right 99-2000 4.6's have pressed on timing pullies which means that the whole front timing cover would have to be removed and bump the time up to 9 hours...I also work at a small shop and looked the time on Alldata and for my 02 the listed time is 7 hours i beleive so.... look to spend a decent amount on labor and a tune. __________________ Hitech Stage II's= 310rwhp 318rwtq 350rwhp 395rwtq N2O

03-25-2006, 11:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
03gtmustang Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Va Posts: 3,258	Im at 262rwhp 281rwtq SAE. Thats also with a high stall and 4.10's. Well see what my #'s are after my retune by Ed Clark in May. __________________ D&D Auto Detailing -Dan

03-25-2006, 11:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
whitethunder46 Always Detailin' Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,556	Ok, after doing some looking, I might just go with Stage 1. Reasons: 1.) They say you need a 2800 stall or higher 2.) Need springs (which isnt a problem, just extra money) 3.) I wasn't to fond of the rough idle. I heard a clip at idle that was supposedly stock, and didnt care for it. I think the Stage 1 N/A would be good for me, add some power, not that rough idle, wont need new springs, and also can be used with stock stall. 03gtmustang..... You got any vids with ur cams? __________________ supernissans.net 2001 Mustang GT - Saleen Replica - SOLD 2007 Nissan Sentra 2.0S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3022272

03-25-2006, 11:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
shad0ws vDUB Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,468	the lope is what makes the stage 2's so nice!!! GET THE STAGE 2'S!!!! plus a stall is always a good thing for an auto, i'm sure you would enjoy that too __________________

03-25-2006, 11:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
B-rett BMC Member# 03209 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: north ridgeville, ohio Posts: 1,649	Dont mean 2 steal the thread but i think i want to go same route but i dont know a lot about cams can someone tell how much it would cost for all parts needed for stage 1 and stage 2 so i can compare also how much to get it installed and tuned thank you i kno i suck at life __________________ ---35th Anniversary--- 265 rwhp 288 rwtq

03-25-2006, 03:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,746	what problem could a plenum create. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

03-25-2006, 05:24 PM	#20 (permalink)
03gtmustang Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Va Posts: 3,258	Either one will be a good choice and should give you about 20rwhp including a tune. The main difference between the two is the idle. __________________ D&D Auto Detailing -Dan