Just got the hand held Diablo Predator and I have to say I love It. For all who have the chips and pay the hundreds to have a new tune and then burned each time you upgrade your car and cost more and more not to mention that it cost money to buy the chip as well, I am sorry for you. You can do all the same with the obd2 connecting flash programmable tune kiss @ss tuner. Just plug the bad boy in your mustang and the simple as 2 minute diablo stock upgrade to your chip will add 15-25hp alone. And boy do you feel it. This bad boy will allow you to even hook up your laptop and get live data and graphs while driving. It finds out your check engine errors and tells you in detail what it is and how to fix it. Will even clear them as well. Have a rev limiter or speed limiter, no problem it takes it off too. Do you have a 99 or newer mustang with traction control button but hate to turn it off at every race, no problem it takes care of that too. When you want a professional tune created to give max HP, just take your stang to any dealer and they will dyno you car and send results to Diablo’s pros and they will create your tune for practically free. Cannot beat this especially when you can get it on ebay for an easy 250.00-300.00. You can’t go wrong on this. What is everyone else’s opinion?

 

Got one, Love it :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

 

I love my Diablosport.

 

Thought about it, but well, I really just want a tune. Seem to be better results that are done for each persons individual car, not a wide basis or changes that hopefully work well on everyones car. Just a thought...

 

Some of the information in this post is not correct. First, these things do not add 15 - 25 hp. Dyno results prove over and over again that they add about 8 rwhp. There is no tune/chip/programmer on the planet that can add 25 hp to a near stock or stock stang application. They just don't exist.

Secondly, there is NO substitute for a good chip and a good tune, HOWEVER a programmer like yours is nice to have for a near stock application as it provides for a few user changable features. However, once you start truly modifiying the car like with heads, cams, a blower etc.. the diablo preditor will prove to be useless as it is right now. The unit will either have to be returned for programming, or reprogrammed by a dyno tuner. Diablo can also email tunes, but you can do this with a chip or other programmers as well.

I have had used just about everything (chips, programmers etc...). The Diablo is a nice fit for some, but not agood choice for others. I got rid of my programmer for a 4 Position SCT chip so I could have multiple programs (nitrous, na, etc..).

Good luck with it. i hope you have better support than I did from Diablo. I waited 5 months for them to repogram my chip before I finally gave up and asked for my money back. It will take a lot for me to ever own a diablo product ever again.

But, that's ust me.

 

I would be carful about what you say, especially when you are bad mouthing a company. I never said anything about RWHP in my talking about horses gained is for the Flywheel. The only better portion over some of the aftermarket chips are a slightly faster process speed and multiple tunes. You can get that same tunes that would go on an aftermarket chip and use them on the stock chips as well. All the same in both. Using the predator is cheaper and if you know how to tune your car correctly than you would have no problem with it. :bootyshak


And you must be the odd star that has a problem with Diablo. Also lets not talk about how they are the highest rating chip, programmer, all around kick @ss company. Lets not even pull the stats in this baby. :thebirdma

 

First of all, I can bad mouth any company I want, but I would never bad mouth a person. I have no vested interest in any chip company, so it makes no difference to me what anybody thinks. My personal experience with Diablo is that they could not tune a trumpet, let alone a near stock Mustang. You asked for opinions, and I gave you mine based on my own personal experience. If you don't want opinions, then don't ask.

I can also tell you that I have probably have a pretty solid reputation in this forum as well as others. Those that know me know that I am not one to get personal with people or to try to offend as you are apparently trying to do.

Regarding your hp claims, 25 at the flywheel is about 21 at the tires....still much higher than most who experience 8 or perhaps even 10 if all the planets are lined up correctly.

Telling people that you can tune a car on their own with nothing but a Diablo Preditor is not only wrong, but irresponsible. To do this, you need at a minumum a wide-band which adds $400 - $500 to the cost.

There is nothing wrong with a Diablo Pred. It is just simply not the correct tool for everyone and its benefits should not be over-stated. If you had said "I just added Streeda's UDP's and I added 25 hp" I would have said the same thing. I fear that these devices are being used by many guys who lack the correct experience to know how and when to make adjustments.

Though my personal experience with Diablo has left a sour taste in my mouth, I have recomended to many others that they get one based on their perceived needs and goals for their car.

 

The Predator will not add 25 peak HP. I know because I have one. But it will add a lot of HP and torque below the peak between 1800-4000 RPM. The leaner fuel curve and more timing advance accomplish this. The tune they have in the Predator works great with near stock 'stangs. As your mods increase you can get custom tunes loaded by E-Mail. I have heard some people criticize Diablo, but I have had only good experiences with them. Remember, the quality of the tune comes from the tuner, not from the equipment.

 

I find it rather odd that someone would ask for opinions only to be upset by the opinions given.

:boxing:

 

I dont mean to be an ***, but Im being one right back at you for saying something with a threatening tone. Dont come on a site, that you are brand new to, and then start telling people to be careful if they badmouth a company. He has, like stated, used and had experience with most of the tuning companies and programmers out there. To come on and even say 25 flywheel hp is false. We live in the USA, where, its ok to bad mouth a company if you want, as long as you have proof, and he was in no way badmouthing them. So before you come and point the finger, look at what he wrote. He was in no way hostile or negative to the company, he was merely stating an opinion. And no, you cant get the same tune from a handheld programmer than you can by putting your car on a dyno, and having a TRAINED professional take all the information, and adjust it to fit your car perfectly. That is why most people see gains of about 15 rwhp with a dyno tuned chip, verses maybe 8 rwhp with a Diablo or other handheld. Its just the fact that Diable and SCT cant meet EVERY cars needs with one program. Thats just how it is. Good day

 

Can't we all just get along.....well in this case no. There is no reason to take a tone like you did here. These types of threads are supposed to be realistic and informative but when a claim is made that is just false, someone is going to call BS. Diablo is a good handheld in certain cases like stated in response, however there are some on the forum with more than a few bolt-on mods which may require more than Diablo can give. Bottom line, just try to choose your words more carefully. If you meant to be an ***, then Chris, please ban this yo-yo.

 

I like both personally, i tihnk the diablo is a great unit for hand on kinda person aka me.

 

my predator is good but i dont have a lot of mods and dont plan on going nuts with future mods.

 

MT's been pretty reliable in the past on his opinions. I have a question about the predator to anyone who will help thanks. What are the best setting for the mods I have done already. how rich or lean can I go and how far on the timing can I go? With out hurting anything ?

Just got the predator and got rid of the crappy Superchips tune!

 

You can lean it out just a bit, and advance the timing no more than 6 degrees. You are not using nos, turbo, or supercharger so you dont have to worry about detonation. Just remeber when you mess with the timing, if you hear a ding, ding, or a cling clang sound than pull it back a few degrees. Advancing the timing too far will ware parts out on your car but retarding it will be ok.

 

I advanced it alittle, but before track season starts again I'll get to a dyno and get tuned properly. I like the predator so much better than superchips.

 

good, I am glad you like it.

 

I retarded mine 10 degrees since I'm in CA and 91 octane is all thats availabe.

Adjusting it myself scares me a bit...

 

what mods do you have done to your car. If you are not using forced induction such as super charger or turbo or nos you actually want to advance it a couple of degrees.

If you are using NOS, for every 50 shot retard it one degree

EX.
50 Shot = -1 degree
100 shot = -2 degree

and if it supercharge or turbo, call up your local performance shop and they will better be able to tell you, but it will be about 4-5 degrees retard atleast.

 

Mods are in sig. I retarded it based on what the manual said. I'm in California and the highest we have is 91. They reccomended knocking the timing down a bit to prevent detination.

I may try bumping it back up to their "stock" setting at the track tonight.

 

So its N/A and you pulled timing out? Or am i confused?

 

I think he is saying that he pulls some of the timing out of the Diablo tune because he can only get 91 octane.

 

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