New Z06 505hp 7.0L V8

*venom* · 07-27-2005, 03:51 PM

What do you guys think? The Shelby Cobra needs a SC and doesnt come close. Are we comparing apples to oranges? http://www.forbesautos.com/gallery/2...e/?partner=aol

jjtgiants · 07-27-2005, 04:45 PM

I don't know, but the new corvette's are bad ass! I would love to have one

WaterDR · 07-27-2005, 04:52 PM

Unfair comparo,but inevitable. The Vette is $25k more expensive than the GT500. I would prefer a GT and Harley for the price of the Vette. Plus, my kids can ride in the back of the Vette.

Some guy blew the doors off of me from a light in one of these. I did not even try...I just sat there and waited until he was about 200 yds away - LOL. The thing sounded amazing.

*madmatt* · 07-27-2005, 04:58 PM

Thats not even apples to oranges, thats like apples to eggplant...I have to admit, they are awesome, but think about it, 7.0 liters isnt hard to get good power out of. Think of the Chevelles and muscle cars of the earlier days. Also remember the fact that the cobra weighs almost 4k pounds...thats our biggest problem, we are pigs.

73coupe99v6 · 07-27-2005, 06:50 PM

i like fords, but there are some chevy's that i wouldnt mind to have. The new z06 for example, and a camaro that has to race froma roll 70, because 1-3 is spinning tires....

MachGT · 07-27-2005, 08:05 PM

The cobra is probably underrated at 450 hp. can you imagine the power that you would be putting down if you spent 65000 on the cobra + mods? You would be waaaaaaayy over 500 hp.

MattJ · 07-27-2005, 08:10 PM

These will be fun to drive at work.
*snicker*
:toothy2:

ThePunisher · 07-27-2005, 08:12 PM

If I had that kinda cash and wanted a toy Id lean towards the vette. Its pretty much a track car for the street.

spike_africa · 07-27-2005, 08:41 PM

totaly different and just an unfair comparission.

plus i hate chevys only owned fords and will only own fords.

04Mustang · 07-27-2005, 11:14 PM

vettes have always been ugly in my eyes.

you could put well over 500 hp in a cobra and spend way less than 65,000

macs03GT · 07-27-2005, 11:37 PM

yeah i'd rock a z06 in a second. I'd also have an LS1 camaro. But hey i drive a mustang. I'm getting a pretty good bang for my buck if you ask me. Have you guys seen the new Camaro that's comming out? I kinda like it. But i think i might have to do the Shelby over that one.

Slither · 07-28-2005, 05:49 AM

Vettes are nice but I would prefer a Sting Ray or a vette pre Sting Ray. I don't know how it is where you guys live, but here in Pensacola, Florida if you drive a Vette you have to be 60 or older. In my eyes from 98+ they turned into an old people car and I get stuck behind them all the time doing 50 in a 55 or exactly 70 on the interstate. BOO!

Badfish · 07-28-2005, 08:30 PM

if that car were a woman i would have sex with it.

Lightning247 · 07-28-2005, 09:23 PM

The new Vette Z06, and for the last two previous Z06's (385hp and 405hp versions) are amazing automobiles. You get an incredible amount of car for the money (there are more to cars then just Horsepower and fast 1/4mile times.) This thing will hang with the best that Europe or the rest of America has to offer.

As far as comparing the Vette to the GT500....there different vehicles in different classifications. The Z06 Vette is a response to the Ford GT and Viper...not meant to be in the same catagory as the GT500.

But I can promise you the GT500 is underrated. Slap a Pulley on the GT500 and you'll be at 505 without batting an Eye.

Bolt on 03/04 Cobra's make 500+ to the wheels. Imagine what a 5.4L with the best Cylinder heads ever produced from Ford, indestructible internals, and a Factory Twin Screw Supercharger...not a roots like the previous Cobra.

We're talking over 600rwhp with bolt ons. The horsepower wars are going to get nasty folks...fasten your damn seatbelts.

Philip K.

*4.6 Love* · 07-29-2005, 08:47 AM

That car is awsome! The I can make more HP for way less than what I would spend for a z06 is old! HP is not the only reason people buy cars

. And yeah, i bet a modded GT500 would blow the doors of the new zooh...but wait, you mean there isn't an aftermarket world out there for vettes

Miguel

FritoBandito · 07-29-2005, 11:29 AM

He's right, you buy a vette to be able to say you have a vette. Same gooes for being able to say you have a stang, I'd rather have a stock gt than an 11 second honda. I don't know about you guys but you never see a vette in my town ripping up the pavement, they are all in slow cruise mode. Personally, if I had $65,000 I'd pay my mustang off and buy a 1969 Z28 302. My boss at work has an all original 1969 pace car convt. white with orange stripes and orange int. It is freekin sweet!

Or $65,000 in lottery tickets....

timstpetefl · 07-29-2005, 11:46 AM

put the extra 25k into the cobra and he will stay with or beat the vette.

floppy · 07-29-2005, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timstpetefl

put the extra 25k into the cobra and he will stay with or beat the vette.

did you even read the posts above? that's been said about 4 times. btw if i put $25k into my gt i'd beat the vette too. im sure you could probably put that much into a taurus and beat a vette. im sure everyone here has seen the minivan that will beat most of the cars on this forum.

*4.6 Love* · 07-29-2005, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floppy

did you even read the posts above? that's been said about 4 times. btw if i put $25k into my gt i'd beat the vette too. im sure you could probably put that much into a taurus and beat a vette. im sure everyone here has seen the minivan that will beat most of the cars on this forum.

Very well put, hell, anything can be fast if you throw enough money into it! Has anybody seen that fast ass nitrous scooter blowing the doors of a H/C/I t/a?

.....

tripleblack · 07-30-2005, 04:52 AM

Chevy: 3130# (real chunky for a 2 seat sports car w/ a tiny trunk)
505hp (427 7.0 litre is a big old engine - it BETTER put out the power)
6.3 pound/hp (good number, no doubt about it)
$65,800 (!!!!! lets see, thats about 2 trash bags full of dollars...)
Handling is great, but remember its the 05 Stangs kicking butt on the
track (including vettes, porsche, bmw, and a few firebirds too)
Insurance cost - almost unimaginable

Ford: 3850# (heavy for sure - but it has a back seat and useable trunk)
475hp (600hp+ with a 5 minute pulley change and retune)
8.1 pound/hp (6.3 or better with a pulley change)
$39,000 (absolute bargain compared to just about anything)
Handling is great, though probably not as good in stock trim as the Z
Insurance cost - about the same as my GT (high, but manageable)

Want parity with the vette? Invest $10,000 (or less - maybe much less) in motor tweaks and suspension goodies. You'll be able to run with the vette on the road course, and zap 'em on the 1/4 mile.

Take the other $16,800 you saved by NOT buying a Chevy and buy a garage to park it in.

Take the money you're saving on insurance by NOT buying a Chevy and buy your best girl something nice - like a trip to Cancun every year.

tripleblack

*4.6 Love* · 07-30-2005, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tripleblack

Chevy: 3130# (real chunky for a 2 seat sports car w/ a tiny trunk)
505hp (427 7.0 litre is a big old engine - it BETTER put out the power)
6.3 pound/hp (good number, no doubt about it)
$65,800 (!!!!! lets see, thats about 2 trash bags full of dollars...)
Handling is great, but remember its the 05 Stangs kicking butt on the
track (including vettes, porsche, bmw, and a few firebirds too)
Insurance cost - almost unimaginable

Ford: 3850# (heavy for sure - but it has a back seat and useable trunk)
475hp (600hp+ with a 5 minute pulley change and retune)
8.1 pound/hp (6.3 or better with a pulley change)
$39,000 (absolute bargain compared to just about anything)
Handling is great, though probably not as good in stock trim as the Z
Insurance cost - about the same as my GT (high, but manageable)

Want parity with the vette? Invest $10,000 (or less - maybe much less) in motor tweaks and suspension goodies. You'll be able to run with the vette on the road course, and zap 'em on the 1/4 mile.

Take the other $16,800 you saved by NOT buying a Chevy and buy a garage to park it in.

Take the money you're saving on insurance by NOT buying a Chevy and buy your best girl something nice - like a trip to Cancun every year.

tripleblack

you should go out and by a 10 k civic put about another 10k in mods and you'll be spanking mustang/chevy ass all day long! Then you could be happy about saving 10k!

.....when it comes right down to it, no matter what anyone says, the mustang is a low budget sports car! Hell i will gurantee you that if anyone had the money to buy either the new zooh and the new cobra, they'd go for the more classy chevy! You can say the usual bs, "i'm a ford man, and will never buy a chevy, blah,blah,blah," but it the end the vette is still a bargain for the performance it offers straight outa the factory!

tripleblack · 07-30-2005, 02:00 PM

The whole idea of this thread was to compare the zvette to the shelbie. Anyone who ignores cost in making a comparison or buying decision is either rich enough to where it doesn't matter, or dumb enough to where he shouldn't be operating power machinery. Of course, putting $10000 into a $10000 car is a more drastic event than investing in a pulley change, tuneup and some maximum motorsports bushigs to make a $39,000 car competitive with one costing about $30000 more. I left $10000 on the table just out of kindness to the vette - it would probably be an easy-enough change that it could be done in the dealer's parking lot before you took the car home with parts costing a few hundred dollars.

Anything can be made to do anything with enough money. Budget nearly $70000 for a car, and I, for one, start envisioning 2 shelbies, one to drive, and one to sit in a garage and wait a few years and see what a zero miles limited edition will bring down at the Barrett Jackson sale.

As for the 2 cars being in the same market, not so. $40000 is the going rate for a fully optioned grocery getter SUV nowadays, but $70000 puts you into another zip code altogether. It does make a difference - I for one can stretch and reach the shelbie - but 70k is just simply not going to happen, nor the $300 a month insurance payment as the cherry on top.

There are quite a few people on this forum who have cars that cost about $40000 sitting in their garage right now with "mustang" across their back bumpers, and virtually all of them could afford and desire to own the new cobra - and very few of those same guys would instead choose the zvette.

Maybe we can do a poll to see if I'm right, but I really don't think that's needed.

"Cheap sports car" is what you'll have after you put $10000 into a $10000 civic. 2003 Mustang Cobra with about 45000 miles on the clock is what I'd have.

tripleblack

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4.6 Love

you should go out and by a 10 k civic put about another 10k in mods and you'll be spanking mustang/chevy ass all day long! Then you could be happy about saving 10k!

.....when it comes right down to it, no matter what anyone says, the mustang is a low budget sports car! Hell i will gurantee you that if anyone had the money to buy either the new zooh and the new cobra, they'd go for the more classy chevy! You can say the usual bs, "i'm a ford man, and will never buy a chevy, blah,blah,blah," but it the end the vette is still a bargain for the performance it offers straight outa the factory!

07-27-2005, 03:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
venom Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 5,415	New Z06 505hp 7.0L V8 What do you guys think? The Shelby Cobra needs a SC and doesnt come close. Are we comparing apples to oranges? http://www.forbesautos.com/gallery/2...e/?partner=aol __________________ http://www.mustangboards.com/mustang...500/ppuser/103

07-27-2005, 04:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,374	Unfair comparo,but inevitable. The Vette is $25k more expensive than the GT500. I would prefer a GT and Harley for the price of the Vette. Plus, my kids can ride in the back of the Vette. Some guy blew the doors off of me from a light in one of these. I did not even try...I just sat there and waited until he was about 200 yds away - LOL. The thing sounded amazing. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

07-27-2005, 04:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
madmatt Traitor...lol Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 7,929	Thats not even apples to oranges, thats like apples to eggplant...I have to admit, they are awesome, but think about it, 7.0 liters isnt hard to get good power out of. Think of the Chevelles and muscle cars of the earlier days. Also remember the fact that the cobra weighs almost 4k pounds...thats our biggest problem, we are pigs. __________________ RPMPlanets

07-27-2005, 06:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
73coupe99v6 35th anniversary V6 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Louisville, Ky Posts: 428	i like fords, but there are some chevy's that i wouldnt mind to have. The new z06 for example, and a camaro that has to race froma roll 70, because 1-3 is spinning tires.... __________________ 1973 Mustang V8 302 Soon to be released..... 1999 Mustang V6 Eibach Springs pro-kit 1-1/2 drop BBK CAI true dual flowmaster exhaust 3.73 gears

07-27-2005, 08:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
MattJ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 10,243	These will be fun to drive at work. snicker :toothy2: __________________ 2001 Mustang GT Premium - Mineral Grey

07-27-2005, 04:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
jjtgiants jjtgiants Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dublin, CA Posts: 3,762	I don't know, but the new corvette's are bad ass! I would love to have one

07-27-2005, 08:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
ThePunisher Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 624	If I had that kinda cash and wanted a toy Id lean towards the vette. Its pretty much a track car for the street.

07-27-2005, 08:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,402	totaly different and just an unfair comparission. plus i hate chevys only owned fords and will only own fords. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

07-27-2005, 11:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
04Mustang Appearance Whore Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Riverview Posts: 63	vettes have always been ugly in my eyes. you could put well over 500 hp in a cobra and spend way less than 65,000 __________________ 2004 Torch Red V6

07-27-2005, 11:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
macs03GT CMAC Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 1,034	yeah i'd rock a z06 in a second. I'd also have an LS1 camaro. But hey i drive a mustang. I'm getting a pretty good bang for my buck if you ask me. Have you guys seen the new Camaro that's comming out? I kinda like it. But i think i might have to do the Shelby over that one.

07-28-2005, 05:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
Slither Elmo Rocks my Socks Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,157	Vettes are nice but I would prefer a Sting Ray or a vette pre Sting Ray. I don't know how it is where you guys live, but here in Pensacola, Florida if you drive a Vette you have to be 60 or older. In my eyes from 98+ they turned into an old people car and I get stuck behind them all the time doing 50 in a 55 or exactly 70 on the interstate. BOO! __________________ SilverMustangs.com Website & Registry

07-28-2005, 08:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
Badfish Listen to reggae. Join Date: May 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 8,895	if that car were a woman i would have sex with it. __________________ '04 2.3l Evo '86 GSXR 750

07-28-2005, 09:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
Lightning247 Huge Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Charlotte/ Winston Salem, NC Posts: 233	The new Vette Z06, and for the last two previous Z06's (385hp and 405hp versions) are amazing automobiles. You get an incredible amount of car for the money (there are more to cars then just Horsepower and fast 1/4mile times.) This thing will hang with the best that Europe or the rest of America has to offer. As far as comparing the Vette to the GT500....there different vehicles in different classifications. The Z06 Vette is a response to the Ford GT and Viper...not meant to be in the same catagory as the GT500. But I can promise you the GT500 is underrated. Slap a Pulley on the GT500 and you'll be at 505 without batting an Eye. Bolt on 03/04 Cobra's make 500+ to the wheels. Imagine what a 5.4L with the best Cylinder heads ever produced from Ford, indestructible internals, and a Factory Twin Screw Supercharger...not a roots like the previous Cobra. We're talking over 600rwhp with bolt ons. The horsepower wars are going to get nasty folks...fasten your damn seatbelts. Philip K. __________________ 1997 Rio Red Cobra: 2700 of 6961 Tri-Ax \| BBK O/R H-Pipe \| Dynomax Race Bullets \| WMS High Velocity Intake \| Steeda UD Pullies \| T56 6 Speed \| NGK-TR6 \| 03/04 Cobra Al Driveshaft \| 11 " DD SHD Perf. Clutch Kit \| Fidanza Flywheel \| Innovative LC-1 \| Venom VCN 1000 125 jet \| Walbro 255 \| 42 lb Injectors \| 90MM LMAF \| Detroit TruTrac \| Motive lightened 4.56 \| Moser 31 Spline \| BBS RGR Diamond Black \| P-Zero's 271rwhp / 265tq 11.7 A/F 376rwhp / 451tq 100 Shot no tuning

07-29-2005, 08:47 AM	#15 (permalink)
4.6 Love Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mexico Posts: 6,154	That car is awsome! The I can make more HP for way less than what I would spend for a z06 is old! HP is not the only reason people buy cars. And yeah, i bet a modded GT500 would blow the doors of the new zooh...but wait, you mean there isn't an aftermarket world out there for vettes Miguel __________________ Go Cowboys! X pipe and flows

07-29-2005, 11:29 AM	#16 (permalink)
FritoBandito Married. Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: OK Posts: 1,234	He's right, you buy a vette to be able to say you have a vette. Same gooes for being able to say you have a stang, I'd rather have a stock gt than an 11 second honda. I don't know about you guys but you never see a vette in my town ripping up the pavement, they are all in slow cruise mode. Personally, if I had $65,000 I'd pay my mustang off and buy a 1969 Z28 302. My boss at work has an all original 1969 pace car convt. white with orange stripes and orange int. It is freekin sweet! Or $65,000 in lottery tickets....

07-29-2005, 11:46 AM	#17 (permalink)
timstpetefl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: St. Petersburg, Florida Posts: 230	put the extra 25k into the cobra and he will stay with or beat the vette. __________________

07-30-2005, 04:52 AM	#20 (permalink)
tripleblack Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 337	Comparo Chevy: 3130# (real chunky for a 2 seat sports car w/ a tiny trunk) 505hp (427 7.0 litre is a big old engine - it BETTER put out the power) 6.3 pound/hp (good number, no doubt about it) $65,800 (!!!!! lets see, thats about 2 trash bags full of dollars...) Handling is great, but remember its the 05 Stangs kicking butt on the track (including vettes, porsche, bmw, and a few firebirds too) Insurance cost - almost unimaginable Ford: 3850# (heavy for sure - but it has a back seat and useable trunk) 475hp (600hp+ with a 5 minute pulley change and retune) 8.1 pound/hp (6.3 or better with a pulley change) $39,000 (absolute bargain compared to just about anything) Handling is great, though probably not as good in stock trim as the Z Insurance cost - about the same as my GT (high, but manageable) Want parity with the vette? Invest $10,000 (or less - maybe much less) in motor tweaks and suspension goodies. You'll be able to run with the vette on the road course, and zap 'em on the 1/4 mile. Take the other $16,800 you saved by NOT buying a Chevy and buy a garage to park it in. Take the money you're saving on insurance by NOT buying a Chevy and buy your best girl something nice - like a trip to Cancun every year. tripleblack

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