Florida to adopt California style emission orders

PColav6 · 07-18-2007, 12:47 PM

**** ME!

http://www.miamiherald.com/569/story/166659.html

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TALLAHASSEE --
Florida will adopt California's car-pollution standards -- the toughest in the nation -- and become the first state in the Southeast to enact targets for reducing greenhouse gases, under executive orders Gov. Charlie Crist plans to sign Friday in Miami.

Drafts of the orders released Tuesday would require the state secretary of environmental protection to immediately adopt rules to limit pollution-causing emissions for cars, diesel engines and electric companies. The orders also impose tough new energy conservation goals for state agencies, demand better fuel efficiency from state-owned vehicles and require state cars to ``use ethanol and biodiesel fuels when locally available.''

But the most optimistic step in Crist's green agenda is the requirement to lower the amount of carbon dioxide in the air to 1990 levels by 2025, and 80 percent lower by 2050, in spite of what is expected to be a near doubling of the state's population.

''Florida is the second fastest-growing state in the union with respect to the annual increase of new greenhouse gas emissions,'' the governor's draft order states, adding ``immediate actions are available and required to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases in Florida.''

Crist will sign the orders at a two-day climate change summit he is hosting in Miami beginning Thursday. The summit will feature speeches by California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and environmental activists Robert Kennedy Jr. and Theodore Roosevelt IV.

The governor's orders say the new rules can be enacted without approval from the Legislature because they are based on existing state environmental laws.

STRICT CONTROLS

The orders would bring Florida's pollution controls up to par with at least two dozen other states on the East and West coasts but would be the strictest in the Southeast.

Former Gov. Jeb Bush rejected appeals from environmentalists to support similar pollution control standards, although he quietly drafted a carbon-reductions policy in the final months of his term.

Crist, who was elected in November, has vowed to make reducing greenhouse gases in Florida a priority. One of the orders he will sign says the state's vulnerability to rising ocean levels and violent weather makes ``global climate change one of the most important issues facing the state of Florida this century.''

Under the California emissions standards, automakers that sell cars in Florida beginning with the 2009 model year would have to reduce greenhouse gas pollutants, such as carbon dioxide, by 25 percent for cars and 18 percent for sport utility vehicles.

At least 12 other states have adopted California's standards, including New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Automakers are challenging the standards in court and, for two years, the federal Environmental Protection Agency has refused to allow the new law to take effect.

Environmentalists hailed the proposals, and utility executives said they were cautious but encouraged.

''They're very significant and very comprehensive,'' said Susan Glickman, a consultant for the National Resources Defense Council and other environmental groups. ``It's clear from these executive orders that he is dead serious about reducing [carbon dioxide] emissions. The governor's goals now provide the starting point for the Legislature to enact them.''

RENEWABLE SOURCES

The governor's orders also require electric companies to reduce greenhouse emissions to 2000 levels by 2017 and to 1990 levels by 2025. They also ask the Public Service Commssion, the state agency that regulates utilities, to impose rules this year that require electric companies to produce 20 percent of their electricity from renewable sources, ''with a strong focus on solar and wind energy.'' Regulators would set the deadlines.

Florida Power & Light President Armando Olivera said he hadn't seen the proposed executive order but the company, the largest producer of solar-power and wind-power energy in the nation, generally supports increasing the state's reliance on renewable energy.

''It depends on what the rules are and how those rules are developed,'' he said. ``But we are obviously very supportive of renewables and we think it should be a huge element of our energy policy.''

Crist's orders include several elements of an energy bill passed by legislators that he vetoed last month because it didn't go far enough.

Among them: State agencies must buy cars with the highest fuel efficiency, maintain vehicles to maximize gas mileage and use biofuels when possible instead of gasoline. Rental car contracts must put a priority on fuel efficiency.

The state will also give agencies a preferred products list and require that meetings and conferences take place in hotels or centers that have been given a ''green lodging'' certification from the Department of Environmental Protection.

`ENCOURAGED'

Sen. Lee Constantine, an Altamonte Springs Republican who supported the bill Crist vetoed and authored a bill last year that authorized a state energy plan, said he was encouraged by the governor's proposals but considers it the first step.

''The goal here is to move forward fast,'' he said. ``I'm hopeful the executive order does that, but we still have to do legislation.''

I'll add that to the list of reasons why I HATE CALI(COMMIE)FORNIA!

00blkstanggt · 07-18-2007, 01:41 PM

HAHAHAHAHA. Florida sucks. You should of known it would be a matter of time before other states started to copy us once again. Not that you have any worries on your car.

r3dn3ck · 07-18-2007, 01:45 PM

hahahahah neener florida guys. Suck it up. Welcome to emissions HELL!

jjtgiants · 07-18-2007, 03:22 PM

I've been telling you guys it's just a matter of time before the entire country starts to adopt Cali style smog laws. So say bye bye to off road x pipes, long tube headers and having a CARB sticker for CAI's or fail the test! Welcome to our world. Sucks, but in the end it really does make a difference

B-rett · 07-18-2007, 03:57 PM

I heard ohio is thinking about letting all cars under 1998 not have to take emmisions anymore........to bad im a 99

SnTBakosFinest · 07-18-2007, 07:06 PM

Remember a few weeks ago when i posted something about exhaust and emissions and you Pcola kept laughing...

Well its my turn.

Cheddarbob · 07-18-2007, 07:57 PM

How does it feel now!!?
haha no high flow cats for you

*venom* · 07-18-2007, 08:02 PM

The government and companies that sell new enviro friendly products just want more money from you. I think its dumb and the only people that get screwed is people that are barely making it and have POS cars.

We have had emmisions testing before and Jeb Bush ended that when he was in office but it seems like the state now needs to make more money since real estate taxes are going to be cut next year. Welcome to the band wagon Charlie Crist I hope you live in a 1400 square foot home,use only 1 square of toilet paper for wiping and drive a Prius you douche.

v6'stang · 07-19-2007, 08:07 AM

agreed, effin' douche. and cali still sucks.

jjtgiants · 07-19-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by venom

The government and companies that sell new enviro friendly products just want more money from you. I think its dumb and the only people that get screwed is people that are barely making it and have POS cars.

We have had emissions testing before and Jeb Bush ended that when he was in office but it seems like the state now needs to make more money since real estate taxes are going to be cut next year. Welcome to the band wagon Charlie Crist I hope you live in a 1400 square foot home,use only 1 square of toilet paper for wiping and drive a Prius you douche.

So you don't think emission controls help the environment or is all of that just made up BS? I mean seriously guys....you might not give an F about the environment now, but what about your families future generations? This isn't a republican vs tree hugger issue....it's science! Oh but as long as we all can have long tube headers and everything else...F the environment and F our future generations. Unbelievable

Cali has instituted tough regulations for a few reasons, but the main one is that if our air quality crosses a certain thresh hold so many times a year, we can lose transportation funding (at least that's how it is in the SF Bay Area). So once your states start crossing that thresh hold and about to lose federal transportation funding....yep, you guessed it, more emmisions for you!

Another reason Cali does stuff like this is because we know most major states will usually follow our lead...it takes time, but it's true.

PColav6 · 07-19-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jjtgiants

So you don't think emission controls help the environment or is all of that just made up BS? I

No, I think emissions control as strict as California's on passenger vehicles has minimal positive effect on the environment, especially since we have thousands and thousands of bigrigs, buses, dumptrucks, etc that pour shitloads of pollution into the air.

If you want to save the environment start killing a bunch of people because in the end people are the cause of global warming.

03_GT · 07-19-2007, 09:56 AM

Damn this SUCKS!!!! I'm not putting cats on my car!!!

*venom* · 07-19-2007, 10:38 AM

I dont see any facts that we humans are causing all this, remember global warming is not a fact nor has it been proven. Warming has happen in the past and is happening on other planets but I guess its all our fault. If you see lava "duck and cover".

The joke is on your state that tells its citizens what type of light bulbs to use. Florecent uses mercury that will eventually end up in a land fill

, trying to fix one problem to only cause another . The governer was the first person to get a Hummer

.

Global warming is the new chin spoiler,its being used like its going out of style.

Tree huggers want to do something start in China. China is just getting started, they are trading their bicycles for cars.

U.S. 302,383,622
World 6,606,226,477

Magnitude and Growth. As the world's population surpassed 6 billion (6,000,000,000) in October 1999, China's population represented more than 1/5 of this total (20.8%) -- one out of every five people in the world lives in China. Today, China's population exceeds 1.25 billion (1,250,000,000), a number that continues to increase minute-by-minute on Beijing's official Ticking Population Clock: http://www.cpirc.org.cn/en/eindex.htm

jjtgiants · 07-19-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PColav6

No, I think emissions control as strict as California's on passenger vehicles has minimal positive effect on the environment, especially since we have thousands and thousands of bigrigs, buses, dumptrucks, etc that pour shitloads of pollution into the air.

If you want to save the environment start killing a bunch of people because in the end people are the cause of global warming.

Are you a scientist and know that it has a minimal positive impact on the environment? I'm not, but I know it does help. Oh I totally agree about big rigs, busses ect..... we don't need to kill people in order to slow down or stop global warming, just adjust our life styles and not bitch when the government steps in to make us. If the the government doesn't step in and make us, it won't happen.

I'm like the rest of you, I don't like government telling me what to do, but when it comes to issues like this, the government has to or else people will not change and we'll just slowly destroy our planet because people want to enjoy long tube headers and whatever else the F they want.

jjtgiants · 07-19-2007, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venom

I dont see any facts that we humans are causing all this, remember global warming is not a fact nor has it been proven. Warming has happen in the past and is happening on other planets but I guess its all our fault. If you see lava "duck and cover".

The joke is on your state that tells its citizens what type of light bulbs to use. Florecent uses mercury that will eventually end up in a land fill

, trying to fix one problem to only cause another . The governer was the first person to get a Hummer

.

Global warming is the new chin spoiler,its being used like its going out of style.

Tree huggers want to do something start in China. China is just getting started, they are trading their bicycles for cars.

U.S. 302,383,622
World 6,606,226,477

Magnitude and Growth. As the world's population surpassed 6 billion (6,000,000,000) in October 1999, China's population represented more than 1/5 of this total (20.8%) -- one out of every five people in the world lives in China. Today, China's population exceeds 1.25 billion (1,250,000,000), a number that continues to increase minute-by-minute on Beijing's official Ticking Population Clock: http://www.cpirc.org.cn/en/eindex.htm

That's all fine and dandy, but you never answered my question. Do you think emission controls help or do you think it's made up BS? The joke is not on our state, trust me.

*venom* · 07-19-2007, 11:06 AM

Doesnt work as it only targets private citizens which only drive a few miles a day and not trucks that go hundreds of miles a day.

Will inspections lower emissions to the selected targeted market (private citizens) yes. Is emissions from private owned cars the cause of glabal warming and if so what percent, is more important. Sticking your finger in a 1 foot hole in a dam is not going to do much but if it helps you sleep at night by all means keep your finger in there.

jjtgiants · 07-19-2007, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venom

Doesnt work as it only targets private citizens which only drive a few miles a day and not trucks that go hundreds of miles a day.

Will inspections lower emissions to the selected targeted market (private citizens) yes. Is emissions from private owned cars the cause of glabal warming and if so what percent, is more important. Sticking your finger in a 1 foot hole in a dam is not going to do much but if it helps you sleep at night by all means keep your finger in there.

can't disagree with that.....if we are going to all of the sudden decide to protect the environment we need to do it in all areas.

03_GT · 07-20-2007, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jjtgiants

can't disagree with that.....if we are going to all of the sudden decide to protect the environment we need to do it in all areas.

I agree!

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venom Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 5,413	The government and companies that sell new enviro friendly products just want more money from you. I think its dumb and the only people that get screwed is people that are barely making it and have POS cars. We have had emmisions testing before and Jeb Bush ended that when he was in office but it seems like the state now needs to make more money since real estate taxes are going to be cut next year. Welcome to the band wagon Charlie Crist I hope you live in a 1400 square foot home,use only 1 square of toilet paper for wiping and drive a Prius you douche. __________________ http://www.mustangboards.com/mustang...500/ppuser/103

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v6'stang Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: FL Posts: 936	agreed, effin' douche. and cali still sucks. __________________ Mods: 17x9 black cobra wheels, BBK CAI, tru dual flowmasters, sct 4bank elim. chip, motive 3.73's, frpp t-lok. ...and the list grows.

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r3dn3ck Wowbagger hates me too! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Magrathea/California Posts: 7,014	hahahahah neener florida guys. Suck it up. Welcome to emissions HELL!

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jjtgiants jjtgiants Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dublin, CA Posts: 3,762	I've been telling you guys it's just a matter of time before the entire country starts to adopt Cali style smog laws. So say bye bye to off road x pipes, long tube headers and having a CARB sticker for CAI's or fail the test! Welcome to our world. Sucks, but in the end it really does make a difference

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07-19-2007, 10:38 AM	#13 (permalink)
venom Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 5,413	I dont see any facts that we humans are causing all this, remember global warming is not a fact nor has it been proven. Warming has happen in the past and is happening on other planets but I guess its all our fault. If you see lava "duck and cover". The joke is on your state that tells its citizens what type of light bulbs to use. Florecent uses mercury that will eventually end up in a land fill , trying to fix one problem to only cause another . The governer was the first person to get a Hummer . Global warming is the new chin spoiler,its being used like its going out of style. Tree huggers want to do something start in China. China is just getting started, they are trading their bicycles for cars. U.S. 302,383,622 World 6,606,226,477 Magnitude and Growth. As the world's population surpassed 6 billion (6,000,000,000) in October 1999, China's population represented more than 1/5 of this total (20.8%) -- one out of every five people in the world lives in China. Today, China's population exceeds 1.25 billion (1,250,000,000), a number that continues to increase minute-by-minute on Beijing's official Ticking Population Clock: http://www.cpirc.org.cn/en/eindex.htm __________________ http://www.mustangboards.com/mustang...500/ppuser/103

07-19-2007, 11:06 AM	#16 (permalink)
venom Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 5,413	Doesnt work as it only targets private citizens which only drive a few miles a day and not trucks that go hundreds of miles a day. Will inspections lower emissions to the selected targeted market (private citizens) yes. Is emissions from private owned cars the cause of glabal warming and if so what percent, is more important. Sticking your finger in a 1 foot hole in a dam is not going to do much but if it helps you sleep at night by all means keep your finger in there. __________________ http://www.mustangboards.com/mustang...500/ppuser/103

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