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Old 04-04-2005, 05:44 PM
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i dont quite knwo fi this is in the right section, but im wondering is ther is any harm in shifting my automatic transmission pony as though it was a manual. i know it onyl has 1st gear, 2nd gear and "drive" but i was discussing with my cousin the posibility of shiftign from first to second then into drive during a race...any ideas? will this cause damage? any info on this would help, since i dont really know enough about transmissions to figure it out myself...thanks in advance
 
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Old 04-04-2005, 05:55 PM
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Good question actually. Many guys have tested this at the track and most all report a loss in performance. The car will shift better and smarter isfleft to it's own. No, you can't really hurt anything unless you over-rev it.
 
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Old 04-04-2005, 06:36 PM
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ok so no harm no foul as long as i dont redline her...alright cool...but for racing i'm better to leave it as is...which is good to know, thanks
 
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Old 04-04-2005, 08:52 PM
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I have done it, and ive got about the same results in performance and close to the same times its one thing you have to practise to get down correct and you can drive better in a race. When I street raced I done it some times could get the rear end to slightly go to the side and bark the tires and usually they left me alone. Just a thing that takes practise that becomes skill.
 
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Old 04-05-2005, 09:11 AM
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yeah if you manu-matic it shift up right before 5500 then it will shift into 2nd right at redline. i never picked up time doing it myself. its a real stiff shift youll leave some tracks in the road going into second
 
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:17 AM
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Drive, OD Off, TC Off. This produces the best results. Don't bother shifting it yourself, you can't think faster than the automatic's computer!
 
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Old 04-05-2005, 04:10 PM
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yea i kno the auto's computer is faster than i am, but still it's fun...hey now wut about leavin some rubber on the road? i try to do that everyso often and never really get it to work, although my cousin who has a 99 mustang with a manural tranny can do it every time, and yes i turn traction control off when i do this, as well as over drive, but i cant seem to lay rubber down...any ideas?
 
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Old 04-05-2005, 05:06 PM
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Like I said it takes practice, For a good take off hold your brake and gas and run it before you spin the tires. time goes let off the brake. Proceed to about 6 G before redline and shift good roads you get a sqeal, if not then a bark a smooth road will result in starting sideways. Ive tried it so I do know. Manual you can do it alot better because the power hits when you let off the clutch this is why you get tires to smoke or squall when shifting.
 
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Old 04-05-2005, 05:17 PM
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alrighty, sounds good...i love layin rubber on the road...i'll try that next time
 
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Old 04-06-2005, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Phantom1313
yea i kno the auto's computer is faster than i am, but still it's fun...hey now wut about leavin some rubber on the road? i try to do that everyso often and never really get it to work, although my cousin who has a 99 mustang with a manural tranny can do it every time, and yes i turn traction control off when i do this, as well as over drive, but i cant seem to lay rubber down...any ideas?
If I floor mine from a dead stop I can leave a bit of rubber. I try not to, as tires are expensive!
 
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Old 04-06-2005, 07:20 PM
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if you let up a little bit right at rredline, i mean just let up a lil bit like let up for a half sec or so, sometimes that helps to make it shift faster. but if you do that you have to shift to second later. but for it to take a few seconds to get into gear is normal cuz once it shifts and your windows are down you hear a big screach or when i had my 17's on i left some serious patches in the road and it kicked side ways a tad. thats why i leave it at stock horsepower. i would go out to test my car to verify now but my community said we cant speed down rt. 8 cuz our cars are too loud and they would have no problem getting legal papers to evict us.
 
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Old 04-08-2005, 04:47 PM
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Before my tune I was faster shifting manually. That's because I had made so many changes the factory tune could not tell where it was supposed to shift. Once I had it tuned there was no need to shift manually. It was about 1-2 tenths faster in the quarter mile.
 
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Old 04-09-2005, 05:11 PM
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If you're quicker manually shifting (which will only be a 1-2 shift), the car's program is waaaaay off.

That being said, I do run a full manual valvebody with transbrake in my piece, and I love it. I know it creates more of a variable for racing, but hell, if stick guys can bang gears, so can I. I like it because I don't have to rely on my program to be adjusted in order to change up the shift points.
 
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Old 04-11-2005, 06:42 AM
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Flo's right...stock, put it in drive and press to "Go" pedal. With a manual valvebody, the shifts are quicker when you bang through the gears manually.

I don't have a Manual VB, but I did the J-mod. In drive, when I floor it, even the 2-3 shift will give a little chirp, the 1-2 is an event in and of itself. If you want better shifts from an auto, either install a Manual VB or the J-mod...they both make a world of difference, with the manual VB being the bigger of the two.
 
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Old 04-11-2005, 09:25 AM
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I wish I knew how to install the J Mod... I've had the parts sitting at my house since October waiting for a guy I know to install them.
 
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Man, it couldn't be easier...just messy. Let me dig up my post on it from the depot....



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Old 04-11-2005, 10:07 AM
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Ok...here we go...luckily, my memory is serving me well today:

J-mod, Jerry mod, git-r-done!
We'll I finally got the J-Mod done yesterday. It was easy, but for the guys out there wondering what the J-mod is, I figured I'd give a few words, tips, and tricks about it. Not that I'm an expert now, but if it wasn't for me asking so many questions about it on this board, I probably would have never done it for fear of screwing something up. If anyone else want's to add anything feel free. Maybe we can make it a sticky if it gets informative enough.

I'm gonna try to break everything down "barney style"

1. What is the J-mod and what does it do? Its a mod that you can do to your automatic (aka 4r70w) transmission. Jerry W. was an engineer on our transmissions at ford, he designed them as well as this mod. In a nutshell, it firms up your shifts, thus causing less wear on the transmission and generally much better times at the track. It can also help you get those tire barking 1-2 and 2-3 shifts you've been looking for (if thats your thing)
If you want full details on it, go to the technical articles for transmissions at www.tccoa.com. Learn it, live it, love it...its the bible for the 4r70w

2. I've never even changed my tranny fluid, and you're telling me to mod it? How hard is this to do? Have you changed your oil? This process is DIRT SIMPLE...but it is time consuming and messy. Since you've already followed step one and read all about it, you can see that the tools required are simple things. The most "exotic" tool you'll need is a GOOD pair of snap ring pliers...I'll get to that later. I was as nervous as anyone before this because mine's a daily driver and I had never changed my fluid either. Now I don't know why I was such a wuss.

Tips & Tricks that I discovered when I did this. They may or may not be in the article:

1. There ARE shortcuts and workarounds, but they are few and far between. I wasn't able to get the 5/16" upper radiator fitting to drain my tranny. (autozone was out and I'm just plain impatient) I found that it will take more time, but you can drain the torque converter first for AT LEAST half an hour, plug it back up, and start on the pan. If you take 4 of the 14 bolts out from one side, and slowly loosen some of the others so the pan "leans", you can minimize a huge gush of fluid. You'll have to let it drain a while, hey, have a beer, smoke a ciggarette, but be patient. Once you see its just dripping...lossen them some more. Lather, rinse, repeat, until you cant get any more fluid to drain. This is where it gets messy. A friend always helps. Hold the pan in place, take the rest of the bolts out, and SLOWLY tilt the corner of the pan into your drain pan. Should help minimize spillage.

2. Listen to what the article says...it is VERY well written. I could see that if the article was just slopped together, I would have never been able to do it. When you drop that main control, it's scary looking for anyone whos never seen the inside of the transmission. I printed out everything I needed and kept it in the garage when I did it. I never tried to do two steps at once. If it says "step 1 - jack the car up, step 2 - place your jackstands" I would refer to the sheet after each step, rather than jacking the car an placing jackstands all at once. Believe me, patience is a virtue with this. Never get ahead of yourself. Also, the illustrations in the article are PERFECT. They helped me every step of the way...thanks Jerry.

3. Be prepared to get messy. If you're a pretty boy (or girl), dont expect to do this mod. When I was done, my garge floor was covered in used ATF, my hair was soaked with used ATF, my shirt was covered in used ATF, get my point? There's no possible way, ever, that you can do this and not spill anything. And don't worry about cleanup until you're done. There's no point. If your skin reacts to ATF fluid, make sure you wear some nitrile gloves. So uncle Mikey's point is: Go buy kitty litter, gloves, safety glasses, hand cleaner, etc. "God made dirt and dirt don't hurt"

4. Involve friends. Especially if they're a fellow mustang guy, but anyone willing to get their hands dirty can help. There's nothing very technical to do, it just helps to have an extra set of hands before you open up "Noah's great flood of ATF" Even your girlfriend can help with this one. Besides the Torque Converter drain plug, nothing is torqued down any tighter than 120 INCH pounds...thats 10 foot pounds for you guys that don't do math.

5. Be prepared to get messy. Wait, did I say that already?

6. Don't get frustrated. Anyone who's done this mod can tell you, that 1-2 accumulator snap ring is a PITA. Just work at it, if you dont get it within 10 mins or so, crawl out from under the car, stretch, smoke a ciggarette. THEN go back to it. You'll get it eventually, but punching your car or kicking your dog is NOT the thing to do (no I follwed my own advice, my dog's OK)

7. Have some common sense. Along with the patience thing, be safe. DON'T put your car on cinder blocks, DO use jack stands. DON'T do this after driving home...tranny fluid can get pretty hot. DO inspect other parts under your car (exhaust, oil pan leaks, etc.), as long as your gonna be under there, it be a shame to not notice that you're missing an oil pan.

8. Don't skimp on the tools. Not just for this mod, but any repairs or mods. You may save 5 bucks on a cheap set of wrenches, but in the long run, you're gonna be buying another set after too much longer. My dad bought quality tools 35 years ago that he still uses. He bought cheap ones a year ago and they broke already.

9. Last but not least, be patient, ask questions on these boards, and have fun! It took me 7 hours to do, with some breaks in between. It was 7 hours of dirty, slow work...but it was WELL worth it. I not only have a beast of a tranny now, but I learned how it works, what it looks like, and how bad ATF fluid looks after not changing it for 45,000 miles. (like motor oil) My buddy helped and it didn't feel so bad when it looked like my head was gushing blood from all the fluid. We laughed rather than me being P.O.'d by myself. And ask questions...there's plenty of people on this board that have done this. If you aren't sure what to drill your plate to...ask and ye shall recieve.

Ok...thats all I have off the top of my head...plus I think I gave myself carpal tunnel. Guys...lets get as many people as possible to chime in here. It would have helped guys like me to have all this info in one thread rather than having to look through 30 random ones to find one bit of info I needed.

Thanks all...I love my new J-mod!
 
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Old 04-11-2005, 02:49 PM
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Haha, that sounds like it was geared towards me 100%. Automatic transmission guts scare the crap out of me.

I'm looking at doing a TC later this year... maybe I'll have the installer do a J mod and cooler as well.
 
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Old 04-11-2005, 03:06 PM
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I put the converter in myself. I was ready to duck for cover when I fired the thing back up but it turned out okay. The tranny cooler is a pretty simple install that you can do yourself.
 
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Old 04-11-2005, 03:20 PM
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I also installed my converter (thanks Dean for all the help). Ive gotta do a write up one of these days.
 
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Old 04-11-2005, 06:24 PM
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The J-mod is very, very simple...I was just as apprehensive as you at first, but I finally grew a pair and got it done...I'm still wondering what my big deal was, lol.

See if you can track down somebody from here from your area...if you were in Ohio, I'd do it for a case of beer and a new t-shirt
 
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