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Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper
We STILL have military bases in... Germany and Japan as results of WWII, which ended what, 60 ****ing years ago? Plus we still have a presence in Korea since the Korean War.
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Its not the fact that there are military bases there. Last time I checked there wasnt a civil war that exploded post "Mission Accomplished" in either of those countries. The reason why they were setup is also a different reason.
Korea was setup to be a deterrant to the North Koreans. Germany and Japan were setup to quell any rebellion post WWII.
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Why the hell is anybody suprised we still have troops in iraq? I wouldnt be the least bit suprised if we ended up occupying that nation with permmant military bases.
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How are you going to setup a foreign military base in the middle of a civil war?
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and WTF is with everything thinking that we went to iraq because of 911? or because of terrorists? We went there because Saddam kept dodging weapon inspectors and refusing to cooperate which were arrangements he agreed to after we beat his ass out of kuwait
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Because that was one of the arguments pushed forward (Either you're with us or against us...Saddam supported Al Qaida w/ money and training grounds, etc...). This was after all part of the War on Terror and the Axis of Evil.
PART of the main reason is that Saddam wasnt cooperating. The other half was because of bad intelligence from Chalibi and other intelligence outlets (CIA, etc) saying that Saddam had WMD's ready to go. We know this is now false. The only WMD's that have been recovered were so degraded they could no be used in combat.
The focus has suddenly changed from WMD's to freeing the Iraqi people. I dont see too many Iraqi's being freed though.
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He kept breaking his promises, the UN was too pussy to do anything about it, and rather than wait for them to become a new iran or north korea, we decided to go head and squash that threat before it got worse.
And or course we arent gonna invade Korea, the US does not want to go to war with China, and China does not want to go to war with the US.
As far as Iran, i dunno, we picked the one who was constantly showing the UN his ass.
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We wouldnt go to North Korea for 2 reasons.
1) We are too outstreched.
2) China doesnt want the war with NK not because of the presence of US troops, but because China doesnt want the influx of refugees out of NK in their borders.
Besides, the US wouldnt even attack China. We're basically the main reason for their HUGE economic growth.
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God, i got in this conversation with my girlfriend last night, it is amazing how many people are completly ignorant to the reasons we went in iraq.
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Pot, meet kettle.
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This is gonna be a long drawn out proccess.
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In the drumming up this was supposed to be a quick process. Now its long and drawn out. You cant have it both ways here.
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As far as everyone saying the US needs to jsut pull out of the middle east and be done with them......?
Conflict in the middle east means the US can buddy up with whoever has the oil. we give them weapons, they cut us deals on oil, fat cats in america get rich and innocent troops die right?
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So this war is about Oil? Iraq has hurt OPEC more than it has helped it. Large pipeline disruptions doesnt help barrel production.
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Think about this.
Here is LIFE without Middle East Oil.
America backs out,quits pulling its puppet strings and the unrest in the middle easy finally chills out. Middle eastern countrys work out thier differences and realise the US has been manipulating and using them.
They decide to no longer supply the US with oil, after all, China will be the largest economical force in about 20 years.
No mor oil from the middle east. Prices of gas jump to about $8.00 a Gallon.
People now have to BUDGET gas in thier bills, 300-400 a month. If they cant afford that, they have to use public transportation which will quickly be overbooked.
Rice, Grain, Meat, Vegetables, Clothes, Pepsi, EVERYTHING you buy is shipped right to your local market. Prices jump up to recieve the materials needed to make a product, energy bills skyrocket for the manufacturing plants, shipping prices skyrocket to deliver the product.
Next thing you know yer paying $2.45 for a single can of coke. Small businesses cannot compete, larger ones struggle, people lose thier jobs, companys collapse to the point where the communications infrastucture loses integrity, SQWEST, SBC, AT&T cannot afford to man enough peopel to keep thier networks running very well.
Washington DC starts to LOSE control over the USA. It turns back to the days where mass communication was not possible, states end up running virtually independant by either circumstance or even possibly by choice.
Citys, Towns, filled with unemployed, there will be people WITH food and People WITHOUT, that is how things will be seperated, the supply lines have stopped moving, crime becomes to run rapant as normal every day people get desperate and rob and kill in order to feed thier familys
martial law is declared, hatred for the governement is at an alltime high, there becomes an uprising of people against the government, the government already fragile collapses.
The USA, once the largest and most powerful nation in the world is turned to a crime riddin economical shit hole. The country is in chaos, the USA is no more.
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Not quite. We do have enough stores of oil to sustain ourselves for the next 10 years (Alaska and the Gulf Ridge). Lets also not mention the sudden rapid development of Solar electricty, wind energy, hydroelectric energy, etc. What you have outlined would be if there was a TOTAL cutoff of oil, with absolutely nothing able to replenish it.
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Yeah.... we kind of need to be out there, we need the turmoil in the middle east. The one thing that hass never changed since day 1 of this world? Survival of the fittest. We dont want to lose that spot, or we lose everything.
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Yes, because I like having my troops streched thin, resources drained, and my generals and military staff at odds with the commander in chief and Secretary of Defense.
Its not our place to be there.