How is it that a Hyundi 3.8l engine can put out 250hp stock and my 3.8 only puts out 190hp? What is going on here? What can I do to make my engine produce the hp it should in the first place. Im not talking power adders or bolt ons, I mean in stock configuration. What kind of chip or programmers are on the market for my car that will improve performance? And by impove I mean put it where it should be!

 

yea...i agree ford is retarted...they should be able to get about 260 or more out of my 3.9L...

and then there is the lancer evo 8 witha 2.0L that produces 320 to 400hp

 

Yes! See what Im talking about? Its the same way with the 96-98 GTs. I think they put out about 225hp. That is weak compared to most V8s. At least they finally improved them in 05.

 

So what is it a 3.8l or 3.9l because I have heard different things from site to site.

 

you have to realize though.. they're different engines, built a lot different, you're not gonna get the same output. But yeah I agree.. Ford has always gipped up on HP.. even the GT's. They make 260 hp cars to compete with the 310 hp camaros? And when they start modding those camaros it seems like they gain twice as much HP compared to when we mod our cars but same deal.. damn LS1 engines

 

A chip or programer won't do it sorry. Bolt-ons won't do it unless you're talking just flywheel horsepower then yea some bolt-ons a tune you'll be right there.

Now on to this subject about ford being idiots lets think about this in a business sence shall we.

Imports with V6 engines are the top of the line for their manufacturer therefore they spend more money on those V6's to make that much power. The V6 mustang is the bottom lime mustang. They aren't going to give it the same hp as a GT when a GT sells for 4-5 thousand more.

Now as far as chevy and their V8 program they spent tons of money on thier V8 performance and what happened? The camaro is dead, yes it's suppost to come back in '09, but it won't last if they try the same stupid business ideas they had before. For every 4 mustangs 1 camaro was being sold. 3.5 of those mustangs were V6's. Why would ford bump up the V6's output so much if it's selling so well anyways? It's just business that's all.

Now with that being said I'll drive my modded V6 mustang anyday over any import be it an evo, sti, whatever. But then again that's just me maybe I love mustangs. Speed is fun, but my love for this car takes over what speed offers, to me atleast

 

After '02 it went to a 3.9. It's not that big of a deal trust me. It's just like the 5.0's they really aren't 5.0's they're like 4.9... but 5.0 just sounded better LOL.

 

Yeah man, you do have the sweetest damn looking V6 I've ever seen.

 

WOW! Thanks, that's a pretty big compliment seeing as how everyone and their mom drives a v6 mustang LOL. By the way I LOVE that color on your GT. I wish my six had that DSG paint

 

but hyundais and evos sound like my leafblower when i tried to launch my cat

 

you cant compair your motor to there. They use over head cams 4valves per cyclinder etc.. and one has a turbo charger. If your 3.8 had 4v heads it would make alot more power.

 

Yeah does SuperSixMotorsports offer a 4 valve set up??? That would be nice...I know they have a 2grand set up that supposedly gives you 90 more hp...

I was talkin to a buddy of mine that said he saw a 1000 hp N/A inline 4 somewhere online...he even said he didn't believe it until he saw the video...now this was at the crank but still thats pretty damn impressive...I view any thing the Imports do to make their cars faster as a Win win situation, cuz when it gets done to our cars we go faster too! LoL...Ie Turbo's...

 

Only the 04 had a 3.9L, but still no big deal, no hp increases. Atleast our engines put down an assload of torque (so says the guy who is getting an 04' DSG GT within the month lol)

 

Yeah I saw that video too, it was a 4.0L inline 4 that ran on alcohol though (it was on a dragster) and I want to say that it had a turbo, but I could be wrong.

 

Give me an EVO or STI any day over a V6!

 

yes cuz lets compare a 15k car to a 25-30 grand car...there we go thats equall...lol **** a GT give me a cobra... welll no ****...

Our engines have ALOT of potential, and alota guyz are realizing that...like someone's quote says, any idiot can make a V8 fast, it takes skill to make a V6 fast....

 

Well i dont see that happeniong as your motor uses pushrods to move the rockers whihc move the valves, where as a OHC motor uses chaines or belts to move the cam on the rocker whihc pushes the valve. So unless they make basicly an entire new block that can take a front timing chaint set and have those large 4valve heads i dont see it happening anytime soon.

 

Yea bro sorry. No 4 valve for us 3.8/3.9 guys. But that's still ok. Our engines can put done enough for the average driver, 400+rwhp range, that's enough to hit 10's so far with room to grow. After that most of the people running 500+ rwhp are dyno queens and old guys who don't race because they don't want to blow their motors. I always found that interesting about the performance world...

 

I do realize that but the point is that HYUNDI makes a more powerful engine than an American made car does with the same liters.

 

I know what pissed me off was when i saw the ford fusion with a more powerful V6

 

Honestly, once the AWD version of the 500 comes out, I see that thing selling, a cheap AWD fuel efficient car will sell millions up north...

 

That's not really true at all. Manufacturers like Nissan/Infiniti and Toyota/Lexus have 3.5L V6 engines that make +300HP (and nice torque as well, before you start to argue) on high-end models and +250HP on mainstream vehicles. Both manufacturers have V8 engines that make even more power (nice, silky-smooth, quiet power, by the way, there's no need to hear you from a half-mile away to make 300HP on most engines, it's only Mustang and Camaro drivers that seem to think that). BMW's new 3.0L makes 255HP and MB has a 3.5L that makes 268HP and is backed by a 7-speed Automatic. Even Dodge/Chrysler have a 3.5L V6 that makes 250HP.

It's not that these manufacturers spend a ton of money on a single engine or transmission to make it great, it's that they really take the time to make ALL of their products great. If you're thinking that I'm only thinking of luxury cars then keep in mind that the new Hyundai Accent has a wonderful little engine (1.6L I4) when compared to other vehicles in its class, you can pick one up for less than $12K and get an optioned one for just under $13K.

The truth is that American automotive development, particulary with respect to engines and transmissions, has been downright dismal until VERY recently. The introduction of the new DC 5.7L Hemi with Displacement on Demand, backed with a Mercedes 5-speed Automatic and the new 3.5L V6 from Ford (to be used in next year's Lincoln MKZ) with the 6-speed Automatic are both huge steps forward for American manufacturers. Give them another couple years and they might catch up to the imports.

 

I don't really see what your saying? ur agreeing with him? All those cars are more expensive and higher end models, the V6 mustang is a base model Mustang?...What are u saying???my friends INline 4 WRX w/turbo can make 400 hp easy, but it still costs MONEY...

Um maybe V8 trucks but the 350Z is a inline 6...and that car starts at like 30k MSRP...ours is like 18 MSRP...12 grand thats all new suspension, body kits and crate V8 with new rear....so basically an entirely FAST *** car...u can't compare them...

It's sooo true, there's no replacement for displacement...anything you to a smaller engine when it's put on a larger one will just keep the hp differences equal...

 

Your entire post is agreeing with me??? How am I wrong? LOL

The part I bolded in your post I would like to respond to though. It takes time and money to build these engines in R&D/ testing/ etc. They spend more money on these engines and they go in cars that cost more then our mustangs (for various reasons, not just the engines themselves).

 

Your statement was that import manufacturers spend a ton of money on one engine to make it great. My correction was that they do NOT spend a ton of money on one engine, but that they spend what needs to be spent to make all of their products great. Up until recently (with the introductions of the engines and transmission combos I mentioned), American manufacturers don't appear to have done ANY development on the powertrain that goes into their vehicles. Mustangs have been using the same basic engines since the 5.0 went away. GM has been using the same 3.1L and 3.8L pushrod engines since longer than I can remember. How many imports can you name that haven't had a drivetrain upgrade in a decade? For that matter, how many imports can you name using an OHV engine?

My point about the Hyundai Accent was that the engine that goes into that low-end vehicle is qualiy hardware. It's smoother and makes more power than the competition seen in the Toyota Echo and the Chevrolet Aveo.

You can't say that Ford has been ignoring the V6 in the Mustang because everyone ignores their low-end model. I just gave an example of a cheaper car that has a more developed drivetrain. The only excuse Ford and GM have in continually using the same parts (including the ancient platform used for the "new" Mustang) is laziness and the fact that they're all going broke.

As to how much torque a Hyundai engine makes, they're respectable, much better than those rev-happy Honda engines. I had a 2003 Sonata up until December and the 2.7L V6 it had was rated at 170hp, 181tq. As far as HP and Torque per Liter goes, that's more than the V6 used in the Mustang, and the 2.7L was considered to be so underpowered that they replaced it this year with a new 3.3L that makes 235hp/226tq. I've driven a car with that new engine and it's a wonderful piece of hardware. You can get that engine in a new Sonata starting at about $19,200. Yes, I know it's a bit more expensive than a base Mustang, but it's also got a LOT more options.

Anyway, this discussion is getting off-topic since the original poster was asking how to make more power with his engine, not what engines are more developed than his and why.

 

Actually this discusson on engine performance through different manufacturers is far more interesting and less discussed than your typical "how do I get more hp?". I would like to continue the topic. I agree that the aformentioned Hyundai engine does have an advantage with OHC technology but WHY doesnt Ford use the same technology in the mustang. The Explorer has a 4.0l (or is it the 3.9l??) OHC engine that could have been used in the mustang.

 

o0o000ok, ur arguement is true, but it isn't really saying anything. The competition for the higher end imports in the GT...which has more hp and ALOT more torque then anything in it's class (sept maybe the Trans Ams and Camaros when they come back)...

The reason the V6 doesn't have a huge hp difference is because Ford is afraid if they put too much power in a car which is bought by mostly women and older people wanting a sporty look without the huge V8 sound...it'll slump in sales...this is something NO other auto company has realized...selling cars isn't always about the highest power...if you want high power u spend more, and there are plenty of options out there...but for the average person...they don't want to deal with a whole lot of car... and hence the reason the V6 is slow....

 

answer is a easy one, money. That motor is more exspensive ot make so it costs more the mustang v6 is a car for every that is less exspensive yet fun and has ample power thats why ford still uses pushrod power in that motor. Dont worry though that will all be changing soon as alot of the domestic companys are moving to more advanced technology.