So I want to lower my mustang, but...
 

Okay, so I recently landed a new job, switched departments at Price Chopper, and I'm working in the meat department. Now I'm working a lot more hours and I have some extra cash.

I want to lower my V6 mustang. I think it will drastically change the way it looks. I'm not looking to make it faster or handle a corner at 900mph, it's just merely looks and anything else it an added bonus.

With that all stated, I'm highly planning on buying these from AmericanMuscle.com . What I want to know is, do I need anything else, such as the Spring Isolators and/or Camber-Caster Plates?

Keep in mind that I'm not looking for racing, I don't want any aggressive camber or whatever, just looks, but if it's needed to be able to have the lowering springs, state so.

Thanks.

Oh and any before and after pictures of v6 mustangs with this kit?

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You can use just the springs, but eventually you WILL need shocks, struts and WILL need caster/camber plates, I rolled around on just H&R Super sports for almost 2 years then a major event made me decide to buy CC plates, struts and shocks.

Here's my car when I had just the springs on stock shocks, struts and CC plates, all of the isolators were in place
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68...ustang/7-6.jpg


Then here it is with Bilstein shocks, saleen struts, C/C plates, no isos in front and the upper iso only in back
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what happens if you just roll around on the lowering springs?

Okay, so I should just skip the bullshit and buy it all and have it all installed at once?

What should I go with? I'm not looking for "tucking-tire/rim" or anything, so what parts should I go with? Is cheaper better for my situation?

I don't have a ton of money to blow, but I'd rather spend on decent stuff rather then skip it and have my axle fall off. :P

I'm going to be buying everything if possible through AM, so if you could link from their that'd be sick.

Thanks biker, it is pretty low, and the consequences of the height show, haha.

Bronto, if you have the money to do it all at once, I would. I didn't have the $$ that's what I only got springs, but getting it all at the same time is a better route.


Now, H&R Super Sports are pretty stiff, they drop you low but they are more or less very trackable street springs, they are stiff. Bilsteins Struts also are well suited on a track, but are also streetable. Having them on your vehicle will make it turn better than it accelerates (v6 lolz :( ). They are also expensive. If you just want to drop the car and not have some awesome handling capabilities or spend too much $$, I'd recommend Eibach Pro-kit with some Tokico blues

You need these either way: CC plates
http://www.americanmuscle.com/maximu...tes-94-04.html


Super Sport/Bilstein Route
http://www.americanmuscle.com/h-r-sp...ngs-96-04.html
http://www.americanmuscle.com/bilste...age-94-04.html

Pro-Kit/Tokico Route
http://www.americanmuscle.com/mustan...rut-94-04.html
http://www.americanmuscle.com/mustan...k-1994-04.html
http://www.americanmuscle.com/eibach...-79-04-v6.html

are the eibachs just as stiff as the super sports?

No, but they lower the car about as much.

are they better for street use then or no..?

Yes. Softer springs/struts will have more ride comfort than stiffer ones.

Couldn't I just use the H&R springs? They drop lower than the Eibach ones do. And yes I just want to drop. I don't plan on ever going to a track, but then again, I don't want to make a 10 degree turn and have my whole car shifting the the other side.

I mean in conjunction with the shocks and struts, instead of just using them with the Bilstein.

Well, they're not soft..but not stiff. They are definitely stiffer than your stock springs (so are the HP Blue struts/shocks) and you will notice handling improvement, just not as much as the super sports and bilsteins would give you. I wouldn't use H&R springs with the Tokico struts and shocks, they are too stiff for those.

Is their any height difference between the two setups you posted? I like the way your mustang sits in your signature. That's what I'm going for, but I don't exactly want to spend $900.00 for it.

You mean between H&R/Bilstein and Eibach/Tokico? You could probably get the Eibach's just as low, pull the isolators off the front springs. There are a few members with Eibach springs on this board so many one or two of those fags will see this thread and post up their stuff.

I hope so. Thanks for all of your helpful input. I'm probably going with the Eibach setup just because of price issues.

What do the isolators do anyways? They just cushion the spring against the frame? What would happen if I took them out? Which ones, top or bottom, should I take off?

Isolators help reduce noise/friction caused by the springs contacting the control arms and the chassis. Taking them out drops the car a little bit more. Sometimes you'll get noise (squeaks from the springs when you go over bumps and stuff) but mine don't make any noise. I took both top and bottoms off the fronts, and the bottoms off the backs.

how much more over a drop would you get if you take the isolators off?

PCola your car is fucking sexy! Not to stray TOO far off topic, because I've learned a bit from this thread, but what tires do you have on those and what size front/back? Your front tires looks like it oddly has a higher sidewall than the rear... looks kind of funny.

Taking the isolators off is about 1/4" lower.

Kyanbi, the front sidewalls are a tad taller, it'll be like that for anyone with 17" staggered wheels. 315/35/17 and 275/40/17.

http://www.slickcar.com/productdetai...ProductID=1640
are those any good? say they drop 2inches

Ehhh I've never heard of Dropzone and they seem like one of those cheap Ebay companies. I would stay away from those types of companies when it comes to something as important as your suspension.

very good links there P, good info in deed.

- Maybe a good one to sticky towards the top for future ref.

I don't know how some of you daily drive with cars that have 1.5" or more drops on them. I only have 1" and I scrape sometimes as is. If this wasn't my daily driver I might go lower, but I just don't know how some of you do it.

lol I cry everytime you and I enter nick's neighborhood lol.. that bump is a crazy fucker!

I run H&R Super Sports with MM CC Plates...

I did not need CC plates even with my lowering, I did not wear unevenly or anything.. another thing I would recommend doing is X2 Ball Joint and Bumpsteer Kit..

I picked up a UPR Bump Steer Kit for 60 bucks which is why I purchased it...

if you want to do it right off the bat at least get the shocks/struts because my car rides like COMPLETE shit, and it sucks... as for scraping I have long tubes so I might scrape more than some others.

Okay, so I should be good with theses?

Shocks and Struts:
Tokico HP Series Front Strut (94-04) - $99.99
Tokico HP Series Rear Shock (94-04 excl. IRS Cobra) - $54.99

Springs:
Eibach Pro-Kit Springs (79-04 V6/4 Cyl. Coupe) - $249.99

Camber Caster Plates:
Maximum Motorsports Caster/Camber Plates (94-04) - $199.99

Could I swap for this? J&M Mustang 4-Bolt Caster Camber Plates (94-04) - $164.99 OR should I just spend the extra $40.00?

Total:
Parts Listed: - ~$604.96
With Swapped Camber Caster Plates: - ~$569.96

get the MM's

That's good to go, Bronto, but as Stephe- I mean uh whitesnakemoan said get the MM CC plates, they are worth their weight in gold.

And spike, COURAGE SON!

do the shocks and struts come in pairs? it doesnt say on AM so i believe your need to order a set of each

The Tokico struts and shocks are sold individually so you need to buy two of each.

stephen? my name is roger..

Okay so it's like $770.00 for that setup. So when do I get an allignment? Right after I have them install it or do I have to wait for everything to settle?

Will my front tires be forced outwards more if I lower it? they already stick out past the fender on both sides.

I'd wait about 2 days before taking it in for an alignment. And honestly, you can probably get them in or very close to alignment on your own. Just move the struts towards the outside/inside of the car and try to get the tires as close to being perpendicular to the ground as you can. Hell you can probably use a straight edge with a level on it to get more precise readings. When I took my car in for an alignment the guy said I had it 1 degree off, which I probably could have just kept.

And, the tires won't stick out, if anything the tops will be further in.

save some money---get the bullit kit ($450-500) the bullit kit has the equivalent of tokico blues and lower about an inch. if you still want it lower leave out some/all isolators.

you may or may not need CC plates. You DO need shocks/struts because after about 25000 miles yours are almost certinly worn out. put i the springs, shocks/stuts, and isolators if you choose. If you can't get the camber correct after that you can get CC plates or just camber correcting bolts for about $30. CC plates are EASY to install.

With those springs you picked out you especially need new shocks/struts because of the much higher spring rate.

Thats exactly the setup i have and i am very happy with it. I'm not sure i needed the CC plates but if you get them, definitely spend the extra on MM.

Mine dropped only about an inch with the prokit springs, probably because i put in new poly isolators. you could reuses your old isos if the are OK or leave some/all of them out.

you may want to think about some subframe connectors as well since the upgraded suspension will transfer more torsional forces into the body structure. if you're not gonna race MM standard length should be good. For any racing in he future (by you or subsequent owners) get full length. a million debates on the best but most seem to choose MM. Laurel mountain mustang has similar but slightly smaller and cheaper.

Okay, thanks TNell. Right now this project is put on hold until I can start putting some money away.

Just for the record, I was searching around on AM and Bilstein HD Shock & Strut Package (94-04) has been discontinued.

I saw that too... bummer. Only other place I could think of would be something like Summit or MM themselves.