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Old 04-24-2009 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by WNRacing
Yeah, I'd go with either the Ford or the Roush.. They're both going to be high quality products and can both give you a nice look.

I'm not sure about the S197's, but my car is lowered a good bit in the front and it doesn't need C/C plates. I'm not 100% sure, but if you're just going an inch or 1 1/8" in the front, I don't think you'll need them.

You should get a good Strut tower bar and a Panhard bar, stiffen up the ride for some corner carving!
The Ford springs are 1.5" all around, I think. I just don't want to buy any unnecessary parts. Yeah, I'm definitely getting a PHB to keep the rear aligned. The strut brace will wait, though.

I hate this ****. I feel like a ******* crackhead. I don't know if I want to get the rest of the **** I need for my system, or just go ahead and lower the car.
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Sunshine
The Ford springs are 1.5" all around, I think. I just don't want to buy any unnecessary parts. Yeah, I'm definitely getting a PHB to keep the rear aligned. The strut brace will wait, though.

I hate this ****. I feel like a ******* crackhead. I don't know if I want to get the rest of the **** I need for my system, or just go ahead and lower the car.
Really just up to you. Decide what you want more, lowered car or lound stereo.

If I had to guess.. You probably want the stereo more.
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by WNRacing
Really just up to you. Decide what you want more, lowered car or lound stereo.

If I had to guess.. You probably want the stereo more.
Actually, the stock Shaker500 is plenty loud. It's a great radio. One of the best stock systems I've heard in a vehicle. It's just the head unit that's the problem. It freezes up on me, tells me I have inserted a 'bad disc', and is basically a pain in my ***. I have purchased a Pioneer deck to install (I don't know the model), a small amp, and I still have to buy the dash kit, the harness, and my subwoofer and enclosure, which I have already chosen. I'm getting the Pionner 12" shallow subwoofer with the box.

I really want to lower the car, but the stock ride is fine with me. It doesn't bother me too much. I don't like the gap, but it doesn't bother me to the point of 'I have to do something about it right now'. I'd actually prefer to keep it at the height it is now, but improve the handling. I don't know how to go about doing that. I don't know where to start.

Having better handling is more important to me than the radio, and I guess that answers my question.
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 09:39 AM
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Well she has SLP long tubes and their x and catback thats why the exhaust is so low. SLP long tubes hang very very low.

And don't try to get her to race her car. She has full exhaust,tune,intake,4.10s if I recall and I don't think I have ever even seen that car go WOT once.
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by spike_africa
Well she has SLP long tubes and their x and catback thats why the exhaust is so low. SLP long tubes hang very very low.
Yep. I don't think people realize how low it is until they see it in person.

For those of you who haven't seen the car in person, this is a picture of my car and how low the cats hang. This picture does not do it any justice. There is maybe a 3" clearance, if that, between the ground and the cats.


And don't try to get her to race her car. She has full exhaust,tune,intake,4.10s if I recall and I don't think I have ever even seen that car go WOT once.
You are correct with the mods. I haven't had it at WOT. I've gotten on it, definitely, but I've never put the pedal down to the floorboard.
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 11:12 AM
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That's about how low my exhaust is, about half a coke can from the ground. I actually don't scrap on much, but I don't drive over anything that I know I will scrap on. My chin spoiler scrapes, my radiator air dam scrapes, it all scrapes once in a while, just have to live with it and try to prevent it when you can. I can't drive over trash in the road because the car will scoop it up.
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Sunshine
You are correct with the mods. I haven't had it at WOT. I've gotten on it, definitely, but I've never put the pedal down to the floorboard.
If you weren't a woman, I would slap you in the face for that comment.

Why the hell did you get all this stuff to make it faster and never floor it?
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Sunshine
You are correct with the mods. I haven't had it at WOT. I've gotten on it, definitely, but I've never put the pedal down to the floorboard.
Your stock has fallen as far as I am concerned, lol. However, I don't go WOT that much on the streets, draws bad attention.
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 12:21 PM
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ah ok that explains it didn't even know LT's were on the stang haha
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by spike_africa
If you weren't a woman, I would slap you in the face for that comment.

Why the hell did you get all this stuff to make it faster and never floor it?
I just wanted more than what the stock stang offered me. That's what I got with the mods I have. I really want a supercharger, but logically, I shouldn't have it. I'd never get to feel the full potential of it. It would basically be useless and I'd be throwing $7-8 grand into the *******. That's pretty much the reason why I'm stuck as to the direction of the car. I will probably just halt the engine mods and just do the suspension so I can have better handling and less hop, the radio, and that's pretty much it.

I honestly have never really had an opportunity where I knew I could go WOT safely, except for at our meets. I do 98% of my driving in the city. My average miles per hour in my car is 21, if that tells you anything. You remember where we drove through in Lakeland to get to that Fire Station? I work in that exact area. On the way home, same thing. Lights everywhere and where there aren't lights, there's traffic. I never take it on the interstate unless I'm going to Orlando. In fact, the first meet we had was the first time my car had been in the interstate since I had it. I rarely ever drive the car on the weekends, and it sits for usually two weeks out of a month.

Yeah, yeah, I know I should take it to the track. I'm just so ******* lazy when I get home from work that I just don't give enough of a **** to go.

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Your stock has fallen as far as I am concerned, lol. However, I don't go WOT that much on the streets, draws bad attention.
Hahaha, I know.

Cops are like ******* mosquitoes here. My car is already a damn magnet. I don't need it to be worse.
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by spike_africa
If you weren't a woman, I would slap you in the face for that comment.

Why the hell did you get all this stuff to make it faster and never floor it?
lmao. nice nice
 
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Old 04-24-2009 | 04:52 PM
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I can understand that in the city. There are not many times in the city when you can go WOT. But pulling on the highway, or a nice open stretch of road that's open for a quick little blast is always fun. Its now my goal at the next meet to get your ***** *** to go WOT in front of all of us.
 
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Old 04-27-2009 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by spike_africa
I can understand that in the city. There are not many times in the city when you can go WOT. But pulling on the highway, or a nice open stretch of road that's open for a quick little blast is always fun. Its now my goal at the next meet to get your ***** *** to go WOT in front of all of us.
What the hell? I logged in before I viewed this and when I went to quote you, I had to log in again.

I have definitely had 'quick little blasts' before down in the area of our last meet. And there is this one spot in the morning when I'm driving by myself that I'll put ol' Spook down the road. I'm not saying I have never stomped it and gotten to 0-60 in the few seconds it takes. I just have never had the pedal all the way down. I've had the car up to 120 before, but that's it. I still had a little room to go. I don't like driving that fast, though. I'd rather cruise at like 55-60.

Anyway, back to my suspension issue. I decided this weekend that the car will not be getting lowered. I was at my best friend's house and I hit a huge turtle. It's shell was probably about 8" tall from the ground. It was about midnight. There was a semi coming in the opposite direction and by the time I saw the turtle, it was too late. It cleared my exhaust, but hit my differential cover and made this insanely loud clunking noise. My heart dropped for a second. I still haven't decided whether it dropped because I was worried about the car or the turtle. Everything was okay on my car, but I don't think I could say the same for the turtle.

But, I still want to upgrade my handling. I have problems will wheel hop and I don't like how bouncy the car is over bumps, depressions, and railroad tracks. Does that mean I need to soften the suspension or stiffen it? What can I do to make the ride less bouncy, improve the handling, and stop the wheel hop?
 

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Old 04-27-2009 | 11:56 AM
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i bet dustin off the spray would dominate you
 
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Old 04-27-2009 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by knife13
i bet dustin off the spray would dominate you
I think he would. I wouldn't be a good driver.

Anyone got any answers to my above posted suspension questions?
 
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Old 04-27-2009 | 02:34 PM
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You need some springs. The stock "roll" feeling that you get from railroad tracks and etc. was what I hated. With the rear sway bar and the new springs it's gone now.

I know where you're coming from. I've always had issues with my car since lowering it.
Car washes (the rollers hit my rear sway), dead animals in the street, driveways everything is an obstacle now. But, I wouldn't have it any other way. All of those things can be overcome and when it's easy cruising she looks ten times better than the 4x4 look...
 
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Old 04-27-2009 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by knife13
i bet dustin off the spray would dominate you
Her car makes more power then me by a good margin so I would not bet on that other then the fact that I drive my *** off.

Originally Posted by Black Sunshine
I think he would. I wouldn't be a good driver.

Anyone got any answers to my above posted suspension questions?
For wheel hop you need to replace the lower control arms with after market boxed or tube style ones with poly bushings. That along with a set of shocks/struts will make it handle better and stop the wheel hop. You can also replace the 3rd link to get even more traction as well. but lower control arms are the first and best way to cure the hop.
 
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Old 04-27-2009 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Sunshine
I think he would. I wouldn't be a good driver.

Anyone got any answers to my above posted suspension questions?
How about you throw me the keys and I'll race Dustin for ya!

At least lower the car an inch... I would start with springs and shocks/struts and see from there where you wanna go suspension wise. If not pleased after those look into swapping out the lower control arms. If you want help with install give me a call, I'd be happy to help.
 
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Old 04-27-2009 | 07:44 PM
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For sure swap the lowers if you ever wanna get rid of the wheel hop.
 
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Old 04-28-2009 | 06:54 AM
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black sunshine i believe we are in need of some 3v burnouts....kthnx
 
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Old 04-28-2009 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 08mustang_gt
You need some springs. The stock "roll" feeling that you get from railroad tracks and etc. was what I hated. With the rear sway bar and the new springs it's gone now.

I know where you're coming from. I've always had issues with my car since lowering it.
Car washes (the rollers hit my rear sway), dead animals in the street, driveways everything is an obstacle now. But, I wouldn't have it any other way. All of those things can be overcome and when it's easy cruising she looks ten times better than the 4x4 look...
How is the ride with your current set-up? Do you mind telling me the approximate amount of how much you paid for it? Which part do you think you got the best result(s) from? At this point, I'm not really concerned with lowering it, but if I have to get springs to stop the bounciness, that's just what I'm going to have to do.

Originally Posted by spike_africa
For wheel hop you need to replace the lower control arms with after market boxed or tube style ones with poly bushings. That along with a set of shocks/struts will make it handle better and stop the wheel hop. You can also replace the 3rd link to get even more traction as well. but lower control arms are the first and best way to cure the hop.
Would these be any good?
http://www.americanmuscle.com/2005-p...ling-arms.html

What the hell is a 3rd link? That is something I've never heard of.

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How about you throw me the keys and I'll race Dustin for ya!
Hahaha!

At least lower the car an inch... I would start with springs and shocks/struts and see from there where you wanna go suspension wise. If not pleased after those look into swapping out the lower control arms. If you want help with install give me a call, I'd be happy to help.
I think I'll to the LCA's first, because those are the most affordable right now. It'll be several more months before I'll be able to get the shocks/struts, unfortunately.

Thanks for the offer of help. I will definitely need it. I'll buy you some lunch/dinner afterwards.

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black sunshine i believe we are in need of some 3v burnouts....kthnx
I think you need to attend a burnout rehabilitation center. I'm sure we could find one for you.
 
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Old 04-28-2009 | 07:39 AM
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Stay away from J&M products!! I have two things from them and I will never by another one. My stainless front brake lines are from them and they took some modifactions to fit correctly. I also have their subframe connectors and they also did not fit the bottom of the car correctly, and I had to mod them to make them fit right as well. Thats the last time I ever use their **** again.

The 3rd link is the single upper control arm that the 05+ cars have.
 
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Old 04-28-2009 | 08:00 AM
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damn your exhaust is low...SLP FTL just cause of that.
 
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Old 04-28-2009 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by spike_africa
Stay away from J&M products!! I have two things from them and I will never by another one. My stainless front brake lines are from them and they took some modifactions to fit correctly. I also have their subframe connectors and they also did not fit the bottom of the car correctly, and I had to mod them to make them fit right as well. Thats the last time I ever use their **** again.

The 3rd link is the single upper control arm that the 05+ cars have.
I will take your word for it. I am glad I asked first. I didn't know the UCA was called the 3rd link.

Would these work with the stock springs or do I have to get springs, too? Should I get with the adjustable ones instead?
http://www.americanmuscle.com/mustan...trut-2005.html
http://www.americanmuscle.com/mustan...hock-2005.html


What do you guys think about this? I'd have to buy the UCA separately, and springs if I have to have them. But that's no big deal.
http://stangsuspension.com/store/com...idproduct=1283

I'll probaby just buy everything separately as I have the money and just wait a while to install it all.

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damn your exhaust is low...SLP FTL just cause of that.
Yeah. It does suck because I already have to be extra cautious, but damn... the sound and the little extra power is totally worth it.
 
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Old 04-28-2009 | 07:44 PM
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That one package is really nice too and either of those shocks will work on yours stock springs.

You might wanna look at UPR also they have nice parts for less money then other people.

Like these lower control arms.
http://www.uprproducts.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=1355
 
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Old 04-28-2009 | 07:58 PM
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Just get a Eibach Pro kit and call it a day.
 
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Old 04-29-2009 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by spike_africa
That one package is really nice too and either of those shocks will work on yours stock springs.

You might wanna look at UPR also they have nice parts for less money then other people.

Like these lower control arms.
http://www.uprproducts.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=1355
Is UPR's stuff any good? Decent quality?

Okay. I found this on Stangsuspension.com. They are having a sale on some of the stuff I need and it has free shipping.

S/S:
http://www.stangsuspension.com/store/comersus_viewitem.asp?idproduct=1416
LCA's:
http://www.stangsuspension.com/store/comersus_viewitem.asp?idproduct=639


This is what I plan to get from AM.

http://www.americanmuscle.com/steeda...arm-05-08.html

Do I really need to get springs? I know you said those shocks and struts would work with my stock springs, but the combination of those S&S with the stock springs wouldn't make the car sit any higher or anything?

Is there anything completely necessary that I would need?

My apologies for all these questions. Suspension is not my strong suit. I know what all of this **** does to a certain extent, but my understanding of how it works together is limited at best.
 

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Old 04-29-2009 | 08:36 AM
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I know nothing about suspension fixing, or what goes well in your car. yet, i sat here and made sure i read word for word. wth is wrong with me. lol
 
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Old 04-29-2009 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jseven
I know nothing about suspension fixing, or what goes well in your car. yet, i sat here and made sure i read word for word. wth is wrong with me. lol
Hahaha. Nothing is wrong with you. At least you read it before you replied to it!
 
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Old 04-29-2009 | 10:51 AM
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IMO. you shouldn't waste your money on anything other than springs if you never go WOT or race it. Buying all those mods and doing that is like buying a million dollar track ready supercar and only sunday driving it to the grocery store and back.
 



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