Ok so the general consensus around here seems to be that if you get nitrous do the following:

retard timing
get colder spark plugs
get a new injector
get a new fuel pump

how do all of these things affect daily driving whilst NOT using nitrous? If the driver still wants to go fast (just not AS fast), is that possible with these mods, or will they make the car go slower than stock?

Bottom line: I want to make my car faster without nitrous. And then I want to have it be ultra fast with nitrous. But with altered timing and colder sparks, can I do this? (I do plan on having two seperate tunes.)

 

If you are getting the Venom then you need all that but if you are going with a wet kit you dont need the injectors. With a wet kit you definately need a window switch too. I think you still need one with the venom but I guess the computer "may" cut it off. :shifty:

Also the mods will not affect driveability if you have it tuned. If you just throw some injectors on its gonna run rich causing poor performance. The injectors is the reason it has to be tuned not the pump.

 

well will colder plugs and slower timing make a stock car go faster?

basically, will those two mods counterbalance a "performance" (say 91 oct) tune I get?

 

You don't need a new fuel pump or injecters for what you plan to run. A good tune and you knowing how to handle the nitrous is way more important for you then a fuel pump or injecters at this point.

 

and you are sure i wont go lean or something without a more 'heavy duty' pump?

 

Yes retarded timing will affect power negetivly. But you could get a flip chip like an SCT 4 bank and change tunes by simply turning a dial. You could have a N/A performance tune and a N2O tune.

 

You're the guy that wants to run a 75 shot right? What kind of kit are you going to run?

Edit: Here let me throw a couple more questions at you.

1. What kit do you plan to run?
2. How long have you been looking at nitrous/ how much have you learned about it?
3. Are you sure you're only going to use the 75 shot?

 

Yes, I am the guy who wants to run the 75-shot. Heck I'd like to run 100..I just want to be safe (but I hear various comments about what is safe).

1. As far as the kit, someone advised me to call Python Injection (may have been you), and I did and talked to the Venom people who said a kit for the 2005 v6 would be out in Feb. I have heard that Venom is a good, safe kit to use so I was planning on that. I want the most quality product I can get even if it costs more but as for now that's the only kit I know of that will be out.

2. Been looking at nitrous for about a month. Trying to learn as much as possible, but people give me very different answers. I have asked actual mechanics who install nitrous and use it all the time and have so for years and they tell me that I don't need to upgrade anything (no new pump or injector and no retarding and no new spark plugs). They tell me I don;t even need a window switch (as long as I am at WOT I will most likely be above 3000 rpm). I don't understand why they would be giving false information, because if I did want these extra options it would only give them more money. All I really know that people agree on is that I want to avoid detonation at all costs.

As you can see, I don't know much! BUT, it's hard to learn when so many people give so many different opinions. The way I figure, as long as I get safety equip like a window switch and run 75 shot I should be ok. But that may be me being ignorant.

3. No--not sure I will only use the 75 shot, and here's why:

At first, I did not know about retarding timing and using colder plugs. I still don't know if those are necessary for a safe setup, but I do know that (as you said) they will slow the car. Thus if I am running a 75 shot and (lets pretend) getting that exta 75 hp, due to the slowed timing and colder plugs I would actually get something less than 75 hp (or at least my car would go slower and feel like something less than 75 HP. That's where I may want to bump it up to 100. Is this the right train of thought?

In closing, this post is extremely long, so I will now entertain you all with a dancing chili pepper:


thanks for the help!

 

btw,

the chip idea you mentioned is EXACTLY what i want to do.

problem is, i can't find a chip for the 2005 v6, and i emailed someone at vmp tuning and they told me that's because the 05s wont accept a chip...just a flasher.

so now im out of luck. I really want that on the fly capability.

how do i do it?

 

LOL not to butt in or anything...but you said ultra fast!!!! That's awesome

 

Ok well let me start off by saying that I am not the one qho recommended you call python, they make the venom kits. They're nice kits from what I have heard however they are not the kit I would personally run. Main reason being that their kits are a dry system. Not that there is anything wrong with that it's just that while having a wet system fuel is added to the nitrous before being sprayed into the engine making sure you have enough fuel to go along with the nitrous.

Now with that all neing said I will go ahead and bestow upon you my 6 years of 3.8/Ford V6 knowledge LOL.
1. You will NOT need a new fuel pump.
2. You will NOT need new injecters.
3. You WILL need colder plugs.
4. You WILL need retarded timing.
5. You do not NEED a window switch however it is not a bad idea.

Now with all that cleared up for you let me say this and this should help answer the tuning question of yours. You own a very new Mustang. Keep in mind many tuners/companies are just now trying things on the new 4.0 V6. You have the luxury of being the first modular V6 Mustang so finding out what can work how to work it and so on is just now being tested. With that being said a 75 shot will be just fine. Don't worry about retarded timing losing you power because honestly you won't be driving along and say to yourself while spraying gee I only feel about 67 horses not the full 75, must be because of the timing.

A 75 shot will be just fine if you're safe with it. Hell us 3.8 guys have even been going to 100 shots on stock everything and been ok. But like I said the 4.0 is very very new to the performance modification game. So take it slow. If you are hard set on nitrous stay at 75 with the stuff I mentioned. Or you could even go 50 shot and honestly with a shot that small stock timing should be ok but still colder plugs are better.


Wow that was ****ing LONG!!!! LOL

 

Hell stock timing on a 75 shot is fine also. I am running 125 on stock timing, as long as its not detonationg you are just fine.

 

Guys, lets not confuse the poor guy. He is getting lots of different advise from different people. Not that teh advise is wrong, just that nitrous is just not cut and dry. I have been advising him too and have been trying to keep my advice to "text book" type answers as much as possible. Plus, you have to keep in mind he is running a Venom kit which changes things quite a bit.

BTW, while this is a dry system, the venom computer adds fuel as it sprays. Thsi is what makes this setup unique unlike other dry systems. This si the safest, most consevative kit on the market and is designed to run on all stock fuel system with stock timing.

Changing plugs etc... only helps, but not an necessity.

 

you also own a GT ,hes only got the half dozen cousin. unless what they say about the 05 v6's and having forged internals and all,i think 100 might be a bit much. personally if it was me to do alover again, id save up for the SC, i have nitrous on my GT used it MAYBE 5 times, i just dont feel safe with it,engine wise. im spraying a 75shot WET, i did not replace injectors OR pump. i paid 450 for the wet KIT(from NX)another 200 for purge kit, another 100 for fuel saftey switch and hardware(stupid little "manifold") another 250 for bottle warmer blanket,another 225 for window switch. as you can see im at 1200.oo and this is not including ANY shipping charges yet or a new pump if you want to change it. that is almost half way to a SC. the ONLY reason i still have my sytem,is as soon as i get my ATI im buying the "N'tercooler Chiller" ring for my intercooler(hmm imagine why they named it that,lol) so i can run a few more #'s of boost safely at the strip. but this is just my opinion do as you want to do, it is YOUR car afterall im just giving my opinion as a Nitrous owner.

 

My stock pump was maxed out at 3500 with a 100 shot. I got a BAP and now I have more than I'll need for a while.

 

retard timing is wrong, get a tune.

get a 03 cobra tank and pumps and you can probably use your stock injectors with a wet kit

 

I didnt read everyones post, but here is what you will need.

NX EFI kit
NX Genx2 kit
MSD Window Switch
NGK TR6 plugs
Timing is based on how big of a shot u want to run. Id say -1* with 100 shot, and stock timing on 75 shot, with 91+ octane.
STOCK injectors
Focus fuel pump
TUNE!!!!

 

ive ran a 125 shot with -2* timing and 1 step colder plugs and stock fuel pump. Do not fear the spray.

On your v6 you can slap on a kit and run a 75 shot with no tune or anything. If you want to go up to a 100 i'd suggest a tune and maybe a new pump, the new pump isnt necessary though. I wouldnt recommend going above 100 unless you know exactly what your doing. Theres a few guys that have blown motors or blown the stock headgaskets on a 125 shot. The stock intake manifold doesnt flow well enough and you will go lean in the back two cylnders (aka death).

Your injectors have nothing to do with it if you are running a wet kit. The kit adds fuel for you, you'd only need new injectors if you're sprayinig it dry. If youve never had nitrous before and want to be safe, go with a zex kit and follow the directions exactly. Number one top tip: Don't listen to anyone on a forum, learn for yourself how nitrous works and what your car is capable of according to the manufacturers instructions. Learn how to read plugs, if your going to run nitrous you have to know how to read plugs. Most kits come complete with a set of detailed manuels.

Also like you said you wanted to increase the overall performance of the car on and off nitrous, you'd prolly want to do a few boltons, like catless exhaust and a CAI. Then get a tune for spray.

go here and signup and ask. Theres a cuple guys with sprayed 05s
www.v6power.net

 

v6 motors can handle some abuse...

 

the new 4.0l can prolly take more of a beating than the 3.8

 

like knife said you dont need all of this crap everyone is posting just a basic wet kit is fine for a 75shot you dont even need a new fuel pump.

 

just buy a kit and follow the directions. take your time with the install and do it right. I recommend ZeX if your new to nitrous, due to ease of install and safety.