hey all,

My knowledge of cars is very limited, but...

I just got a 2005 v6, and am looking into nitrous. I'd like to get my car somewhere around 280-300 hp, and will soon have new rear gears, CAI, underdrive pulleys, and a tune.

Is there any way to get a "conservative" nitrous setup...something like a 25-50 hp gain from a spray? I say this because again, I don't have much knowledge of cars, and I DO NOT want to mess up my engine.

Is there a certain increase to NOT go beyond for a small engine such as the v6?

thanks

 

If you had a <'04 V-6, I would tell you to hit it with a 75 shot and you would be good to go. The Venom-1000 is a great, safe, conservative nitrous kit. But, I don't think there is a big market yet for the new V-6 mustangs.

Call Python Injection at 714-828-1406 and see if they have part number for your car. Then, you can order from MT.

 

thanks....and just for a general idea,

how much is that venom 1000 for the pre-05 v6'ers? Any idea how much it might be to get installed as well?

And lastly, how many "shots" do you get out of one tank of nitrous?

thanks again

 

The Venom 1000 I believe is $550 or so.

http://www.mustangtuning.com/vevcn10nikit.html

Installation varies, but figure on $300. It can be installed by the owner. It is not too hard.

How long a tank will last is dependant on too many factures such as how long you spray and at what bottle pressure you run. But, if you were racing at the track and running a 75 shot, I would say about 10 full 1/4 mile runs. Maybe 8 - 12.

 

Looks nice...thanks for the link.

I don't plan to use this at the track...just on the road for when some honda decides to give me a run.

I noticed you talked of how long the driver srapys, etc when i asked how long the bottle will last. This brings me to another question...

How does the driver use the nitrous? Does he just press the button for spray at any point while driving, and for however long he wants? How does he ensure he wont redline too quickly (like, if he sprayed in 1st gear) or wont go past the redline?

thanks.

 

you switch it on and off. and when its on, once WOT is applied(wide-open throttle...basically, pressin the pedal all the way down), the nitrous is injected. this way, if nitrous is on and youre driving normally, it wont spray.

 

so, there's no gradient of power?...just all of the sudden BAM at WOT?

 

That is correct. That is how 99% of all nitrous system work. Only real way to keep the tune in check. There is one system, a Venom-2000 that works off a %of WOT signal and adds more and more juice as the throttle opens. That system is over $2000.

Be sure to read my threads in the power added section:

http://www.mustangtuningforums.com/showthread.php?t=358

This pretty much explains the while system.

 

Since you really dont know how to use nitrous, you will need some safety stuff to go along with it. If you want to deal with all the complications of a Venom kit you can or you can just get a simple Nitrous Express system. Either way I highly recommend a window switch,and a fuel switch. No you dont HAVE to have this stuff to safely use the system, but It will make it foolproof.

The window switch activates the nitrous only within a set RPM range. Activating it below around 3200 RPM will have a high chance of an explosion. That would most likely ruin your engine. If you spray it while hitting your rev limiter the bottom end of the engine could be destroyed.

The fuel switch only lets the activation occur if your fuel pressure is good. If you run nitrous this puts a load on the stock fuel pump. If the pump cant supply enough fuel the switch will cut the system off before any damage occurs.

Alot of people say that if you buy the Venom Kit then you dont have to worry about these things. Dont be so nieve. The computer that controls that system is limited and it doesnt accurately add more fuel or nitrous. This has been shown from A/F ratio testing in the past.

So just dont take that chance and buy an NX kit with the safety stuff. The Venom kit's power is measured at the flywheel. NX kits are at the rear wheels. More power and you wont have to worry about any engine problems.

 

Look man, everyone has an opinion and Venom kits due get criticized for leaning the a/f, but I have never seen an example of an engine going bad because of one. Measuring a/f on a dyno is not an exact science, but reading plugs is completely reliable and 100% accurate. If your plugs look good, then you are good to go. All top racers read plugs.

If I hear one more person critizing any nitrous kit for measuring at the flywheel I going to loose my mind - LOL That is a dumb argument. As long as you know how they measure it, who cares? You just get a bigger nozzle if you want more juice.

If an NX 75 shot makes 75 rwhp and a Venom 75 shot makes 60 hp, then it really is not a 75 shot...it is a 60 shot. Venom rates all their nozzles in a range...not in an actual number because it depends on what bottle pressure you run. My nozzle is rated at 80 - 100 for example. I get about 90 rwhp from it ay 950 psi. If you want more juice, just get a bigger nozzle or run more pressure.

When I talk shot, I always mean actual hp produced. This is an important number to know for things like fuel pump determination etc.. This might mean that on an NX system you can safely run a 100 shot, but on a Venom or other system you can run a 125 shot...either way you make the same amount of hp to the ground.

The reason why some companies rate at the flywheel is because it is a lot more accurate. You always know what you are putting on the engine. Things like types of fluids used, trany type, flywheel, converter, etc.. all impact how much power is getting to the wheels and is different from car to car. So even with an NX system rated at 100 rwhp, might make 92 on one car and 108 on another.

 

so, you cannot use nitrous below 3200rpm? Is that the same RPM level for both v8 and v6?

why would you not be able to use it BELOW a certain RPM value? I mean, at 3200 rpm you are closer to the engine's redline.

 

you dont want ot spray it to low in the rpm range because if you spray a wet nitrous kit, whihc is a nitrous system that sprays fuel and nitrous (a dry nitrous systems sprays just nitrous and the motor adds fuel for it via a tune froma chip etc.) and if you spray the wet kit the fuel can puddle (get stuck) in the intake and then when a valve opens cause cause an explosion in the intake track known as a backfire whihc will destory the intakes and possible heads and cyclinder damage as well.

I can see you have not much knoweldge at all on nitrous. i would high recomend you read up on it as much as possble before you even buy a kit for it.

But if it was me i would run a wet kit and keep it too 75hp jetting. this will be safe and add a nice punch to your car. is your car auto or stick by the way i didnt see?

 

I am not against any nitrous kit here. I am just giving him useful info that might help him save an engine one day. Yea I do have my own opinion. This is america. I know that other people might get mad because I push the NX kit more than the venom but thats ok. I am only giving personal experience here. I wish someone would have told me about the NX kits along time ago I would have saved alot of money. I am just saying that he needs to hear about all of his options instead of everyone just saying "get the venom". Come on lets be honest you really cant compare a "dry nozzle" system to a wet plate style. They are 2 very different animals. Sure OK if I was looking for a decent dry system for a stock car I would go with venom. I just dont understand why people say the venom is pretty much a plug and play thing and that you dont have to worry if you have the venom. That is bieng very nieve. You need to have a custom tune or at least have you A/f ratio checked with any nitrous system. Some people like me dont have a tune yet because im too busy paying for college but thats the chance I take. The HP ratings are made for the average customer who comes to buy NOS for his car. There are generally 3 ratings 75, 100 , and 125 or 150. That is for good reason. 75 is for a stock engine with probably no tune. 100 is for cars with a tune or supporting mods, and the higher one is usually for cars modified for use with the shot. The companies make them that way. Sure you can just add more spray but then you would be going beyond the intended use of the kit and if your not careful you could blow an engine. Those ratings are proof that the kit makes more power with the same mods. Dont add more spray just buy a kit that is made for the shot you want to run . If you dont want 75 at the wheels then just buy a kit thats rated for 75 at the flywheel......

You cant really compare that nozzle system to the plate. The nozzle is only intended for up to a 125 shot but the plate is good for 300 mind boggling horsepower.

 

thanks to all of you for helping me out...I am reading as many threads as I can to learn more....I'm sure more questions will be on their way.

 

When a nitrous newbe comes to me and says "hey, I want to spray, but not alot, and I want to be safe as possible" I generally say to get the Venom systems. Nothing is fool proof as long as there are fools, but this system will greatly limit any dissasters. I also believe that if you go with this kit, use the supplied nozzles, a nitrous tune is just a waste of time. All they do is confuse the user.

For larger hits and more serious users, IMO NX is the only way to go and I have never said anything different.

No nitrous kit is all things for all people. It depends on the user, the car, and the intended purpose of each kit.

All you nitrous gurus out there need to consider that running a 75 shot is a lot different that running a 150 shot. Running a bit lean at 75 is way different then running a little lean at 150. Larger shots make everything different.

I know of users that have run Venom systems on stock plugs, stock tunes, stock fuel systems for years w/o any problems.

 

What he said I ran mine for a hole year with stock platinum plugs 70-75 shot (black nozzle). I dont rcommend it by the look of the plugs after a year, I then switched to NGK TR-6s (1 step colder) made a world of a difference car ran awesome!

And just like you jeredan2003 I ran my stock tune, stock fuel pump, stock injectors to date and NEVER has the system let me down
My biggest complaint about the system was probably what saved my *** the most! and Its that it was TOO SAFE! sounds stupid but ive gotten anxious several times and have gotten carried away with the nitrous and believe me when I tell you it saved my ***! everything from missing a shift, hitting the juice on the Highway for over 15sec shot, to running the car lean on the Dyno the computer has done its job Ive had my system for 5+ years!

I myself definetly agree that a tune does make a difference I know I gained over 40+ rwhp and crazy amount of torque with a tune.

I Dont know for certain if NX rates there system to the wheels cause I thought they where all rated at the flywheel, but Ive seen Dynos where a dry kit and wet kit are compared based on stock tunes and the difference wasnt much! maybe 5-8hp, Its great that Nx has the capability to squeeze up to 300Hp shot but really are you ever gonna use a 300HP shot??

Btw what has your car dynoed at? and what has been your best run with the NX system?