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Old 03-20-2006 | 05:34 PM
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Im bout to slap in some 75hp jets for the street. When I go to the strip or whatever Ill just put the 100shot back in. The 100 shot is just crazy fast and it whoops cars on the street around here. Plus I get minimal traction. I figured since its summer time ill want to spray it more, weather gets warmer, and im on stock tune. Sound like a good idea to anyone? Itll put less stress on the engine. I think it would be fun and hit pretty hard too.... dont want to jack the thread......
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jeredan2003
Im bout to slap in some 75hp jets for the street. When I go to the strip or whatever Ill just put the 100shot back in. The 100 shot is just crazy fast and it whoops cars on the street around here. Plus I get minimal traction. I figured since its summer time ill want to spray it more, weather gets warmer, and im on stock tune. Sound like a good idea to anyone? Itll put less stress on the engine. I think it would be fun and hit pretty hard too.... dont want to jack the thread......
sounds good to me thats what i plan on doing! I am just so pissed now because i am out of nitrous, and no one out here by my school refills nitrous that i know of
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 05:44 PM
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sounds good to me thats what i plan on doing! I am just so pissed now because i am out of nitrous, and no one out here by my school refills nitrous that i know of
Yea Im out right now too. Oh well its been raining the last few days so I cant spray anyway:yawn: . So now im trying to come up with the money for more spray and im gonna buy the jets tomorrow.
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 05:50 PM
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You guys need to have a separate tune for NA and nitrous. Unles you just want to run on your nitrous tune all the time which would probably result in a bad a/f and low timing.
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 03gtmustang
You guys need to have a separate tune for NA and nitrous. Unles you just want to run on your nitrous tune all the time which would probably result in a bad a/f and low timing.
When i spray i go back to my stock tune and when i am not i go back to one of my sct tunes
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 03gtmustang
You guys need to have a separate tune for NA and nitrous. Unles you just want to run on your nitrous tune all the time which would probably result in a bad a/f and low timing.
Im just doing that cause i in college and I dont have the cheese for a dyno tune.......Its the cheap way to reliable power.....
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 06:05 PM
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I went through the same decision process and after reading all i could i went with the nx efi wet kit and couldnt be happier. Hits hard even with the small 50 shot and lots of room to grow .Install was easy as well ,and tech support from nx seems good all emails answered in a timely fashion.

Love the kit
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 06:21 PM
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I think no matter what nitrous kit you get you will be satified unless it is installed wrong or it is from a crappy company, because lets face it nitrous is fun and whoever has nitrous no matter what kit they have if they are not having problems with it they will recomend it

Dont get me wrong there ARE some crappy kits out there but as longs as you go with a reputible brand and get some saftey equipment and dont be an idiot with it you will be fine
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 06:38 PM
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For my 100 shot I have 1 NOS brand jet and 1 NX brand Jet! Does it matter? They look different but my tuner says NO....
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 07:24 PM
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I have said this before and no doubt I will say this again a million more times, so here goes and take notes:

1 - The Venom kits are the safest on the market.

2 - Venom is the ONLY company that makes a kit smart enough to be installed on a car with a factory installed turbo or s/c w/o having to make any other tuning changes. There is no other company that can make this claim.

3 - While these kits are safe and simple to operate, you need a higher level of intelligence to understand how they work. Old-school nitrous users generally can't undestand because their heads are too far of their poop chutes.

4 - If you want to run larger shots of nitrous, then get a different kit. NX IMO is the best option. Venom kits are NOT for everyone or every application.

5 - If you spent $1500 - $2000 for a nitrous system making the claim that "well, at least I will be preventing a blown engine", then hit yourself in the face because you should have just spent a a few more bucks and bought a blower. After 2 years of spraying and paying for re-fills, you could have just paid for the blower anyway. The exception to this rule are race-style applications where larger shots are needed.

Well, there you have it. If you don't like Venom, then make a specific argument. Chances are, you don't understand how they work and you are unwilling to listen anyway because you have the "NX Disease". Understand that every user is different as well as their needs. Venom systems are great for the ocassional user in a street car looking for some safe fun.

(If I seem a bit irratated, I am. I am home with my 5 year-ol lab retreiver who is most lilkely dying from cancer and she is in constant pain.)
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 07:35 PM
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What I dont understand is with venom, dont you still need a purge, a bottle warmer, remote bottle opener, and a down tube or what not it is?

This is all things that I would want to get. With NX you can get accesories and buy these things. With venom I saw nothing at all on their site about these things.
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 07:44 PM
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With the Venom you do not need a purge, Get a bottle warmer, and why would you waste your money on an automatic bottle opener, just get your lazy *** up and open it yourself lol IMO. I dont have a down tube but i might get one
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 07:44 PM
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Why don't you need a purge?

And where does everyone mount their bottle?
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 07:47 PM
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I am not exactly sure why you dont need one MT's#1 would know that, i have my bottle mounted on the passengers side of the trunk
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 07:51 PM
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What bottle heater do you all have?? An NX one???? Would the NX blow down tube work with venom?
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 07:56 PM
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I just oredered a NOS bottle heater, an NX one would be good but they are a bit pricey, i paid 110 for mine, all down tubes will work
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 07:59 PM
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How much power you putting down?

I'll have about 260RWHP will all bolt ons by the time I did nitrous.

With a 75 shot should it be about 335RWHP? and then 100 shot be about 360RWHP??

I really want no more than a 75 shot prolly, since it's a DD.
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by whitethunder46
What I dont understand is with venom, dont you still need a purge, a bottle warmer, remote bottle opener, and a down tube or what not it is?

This is all things that I would want to get. With NX you can get accesories and buy these things. With venom I saw nothing at all on their site about these things.
Bottle Warmer: Not a must with a venom system because you can always just increase the size of the jet. The Venom computer will always compensate for the amount of nitrous you no matter what the pressure or the jet size. But, a bottle warmer will make things more consistent. That way, you will always know how much power you will get from each jet. I prefer to have one and use it with my setup. In other words, a 50 shot at 950 psi will make the same power at a 100 shot at 600 psi. The warmer will ensure that you stay at 950. Remember when you spray too, the bottle temp will drop unless you have a warmer.

Purge: Any nitrous system can benefit from a purge as it is an easy way to empty your lines when you are done spraying. BUT with the venom, if you have air in your line, unlike other systems, fuel will not be added until their is actual nitrous flow. So unless you like the show, a pureg is not needed. When done spraying, I simply close my bottle and leave the line under pressure. Then I spray one last time to rid the line of juice. Within 2 - 3 seconds the line will be empty and the car will never run rich because the venom cuts back the fuel consumption as the nitrous tappers off.

Blow-off tube or down tune: This is a safety feature that some tracks require.
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by whitethunder46
How much power you putting down?

I'll have about 260RWHP will all bolt ons by the time I did nitrous.

With a 75 shot should it be about 335RWHP? and then 100 shot be about 360RWHP??

I really want no more than a 75 shot prolly, since it's a DD.

Shot? Dont get wrapped up around the axle on the whole "shot" thing. The amount of power you will make will depend on the amount of nitrous and fuel you add. NX rates their nozzles at the wheels, so a 100 shot means like 95 rwhp. Venom rates theirs in a range as it depends on bottle pressure. With the largest nozzzle that comes in the kit, you will get something like 70 - 90 or 80 - 100 hp. The lower number assumes no warmer. If you want more power, you just get a bigger nozzle. In the end, it all depends on nitrous flow. No nitrous system is magically more efficient then another.
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 08:11 PM
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Heres a little food for thought. I went from 262.6rwhp 281.5rwtq to 417rwhp 518.3rwtq with my NX 100 shot. Thats a gain of 154.9rwhp and 236.8rwtq. Thats what you get when you set everything up the right way. But I also have all the bolt ons and VT stage 2 cams which love nitrous. But then again its a auto with 4.10's and a 3500 stall.
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 08:17 PM
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That is not a 100 shot then, that is a 150 shot - LOL

Please dont make him think that you somehow made more power magically. You made more power because you had enough flow of nitrous to support that much hp. Any nitrous system will make any amount of hp that you want. Nitrous is nitrous.

If you think nitrous is better then a blower, I will tell you what. Let's go on a 10 mile race. While a nitrous user is out of juice, the blower car is going and going and going. Dont get me wrong, I love nitrous. But it ain't no blower. BUT it can be a great power adder that you can add to any application including one that already has a blower.
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 08:24 PM
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After really looking into it, nitrous is somewhat expensive. Especially if you get all the bells and whistles.

How many times on avg. do you guys use your nitrous on a tank of a gas? If I had it I would prolly only use it once per tank of gas.

How long does a 10lb bottle last for?

I want something safe and reliable but don't want to skimp out, such as gauges, window switch, and bottle warmer (I would think that the inconsistency of the shot of nitrous w/o a warmer, could cause for bad A/F. Which obviously would be bad with that much power on stock block.)

MT#1, you still have that venom for sale? If so, how much?
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 08:31 PM
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Venom is fer ricers.
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 08:34 PM
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If you have NO BOTTLE PRESSURE then you will get NO POWER! simple as that. I dont care what jet you throw in it quit feeding them all that crap! A heated bottle will make CONSISTENT pressure acroos the RPM range but a cold one will drop off like a PIG! You dont know what yer talking about.......
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by whitethunder46
MT#1, you still have that venom for sale? If so, how much?
It is sold and the I have funds received. BUT, it may be still yet available. I will know tomorrow.
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jeredan2003
If you have NO BOTTLE PRESSURE then you will get NO POWER! simple as that. I dont care what jet you throw in it quit feeding them all that crap! A heated bottle will make CONSISTENT pressure acroos the RPM range but a cold one will drop off like a PIG! You dont know what yer talking about.......
What the hell are you talking about? I never said that. Besides there is no such thing as a full nitrous bottle w/o pressure. Even at room temp you have something like 700 psi. Why don't you get out of the cave. You point is well taken about the bottle warmer helping to keep the temp up, but NEWSFLASH, try sprayng a few times and then look at your bottle pressure. Even with a warmer, the pressure drops.
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jeredan2003
Venom is fer ricers.
That is a retarded thing to say. I got an idea, just because someone uses a technology on an import perhaps we should just not use it at all and allow the imports to keep beating our assses. In case you have not noticed, imports are far better made then domestics as far as technology and reliability is concerned.

While your at it "SLP is for Camaros not Mustangs".
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!
That is a retarded thing to say. I got an idea, just because someone uses a technology on an import perhaps we should just not use it at all and allow the imports to keep beating our assses. In case you have not noticed, imports are far better made then domestics as far as technology and reliability is concerned.

While your at it "SLP is for Camaros not Mustangs".
LMAO Go buy a honda then... Ill keep my stang.

Yea I said it before and SLP is for camaros
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jeredan2003
LMAO Go buy a honda then... Ill keep my stang.

Yea I said it before and SLP is for camaros
Just lost all respect for you man, whats wrong with SLP on stangs?
 
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Old 03-20-2006 | 09:10 PM
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LMAO Go buy a honda then... Ill keep my stang.

Yea I said it before and SLP is for camaros
Why are you talking?
 



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